I just bought the Zeiss 4.5-14x50, new, from cameralandny.com They sponsor this site and are great to work with and a great price. I got the 50mm objective because it has more vertical adjustment than the 40mm. I got the target turrets and #20 plex reticle. I don't plan to get the custom turrets, I can get by with moa markings and that way I can change loads any time. Of course, if I settle on a single load, like I usually do, I might change my mind. I also bought a Sako A7 to put it on, but its not here yet. I had planned on a 7mm Rem Mag, but got a .300 WSM instead. They have almost identical ballistics for the 30 cal with 180 gr bullets vs. the 7mm with 160 gr bullets. I considered the mil dot, as a backup to my rangefinder. But if I can't range it, I won't shoot at it over 200 yards. I also liked the Leupold VX-3 and the Mark 4, but I think the Zeiss was a better value and I liked the feel of the turrets better. I really liked the Nightforce, but it weighed twice as much and cost twice as much. Good luck
-- Bob