Well, I can assure you this - nobody is stopping you or anyone else. But most aren't dedicated enough to do it or keep with it - simple fact.
Haha not much help to archery hunters you still get your rifle hunt smack dab in the middle of the rut if you cant get it done in 5 days something is wrong. You're too big of boob to pick up a bow, stick to your thunderstick.
Why eliminate using a antlerless tag during other seasons? I think most people like this option.
Then cut tags.
I think I missed that meeting, but if I remember right just from chat we tried to get away from practices that were not effective management tools. Pressuring cow herds en masse was extremely ineffective, so moving towards more opportunity in a more managed hunting scenario was the goal, IE more seasons with less hunters on the mountain.
That’s the problem. It’s not 20 years. For the vast majority of applicants it’s 50-100 factoring in point creep.
It bugged me so I went and found it. The new proposed rifle permit distribution is 10% for early rifle, 30% for mid, 17% late and 3% multi.
It is only a small portion (Moroni Hills area) of the Central Mtns Manti unit.
Nope, it's definitely not easy, I almost wished I hadn't killed during archery so I could have been out hunting that first week of rifle, but then I remembered it's better to have meat in the freezer lol.
What's their reason with this, Why make this an any bull unit?
I don't know the reasoning on that specific proposal, but am curious to hear about it in the upcoming RAC and Wildlife Board meetings.
I think it's a pretty dumb idea to have a very small area any bull thats surrounded by 2 LE units. Especially when that area is mostly(probably 2/3rds of unit) private property.
I don't know that specific area at all so can't comment with any facts there, but I also bet there will be a handful of dudes, if not more, that will hunt the broader Central Mountains Manti LE unit with an any bull tag because they don't read the proclamation/rules guidebook and understand the details.
This happens more then most realize, there’s a lot of dumb people and obviously a few ignorant thrown in. I use to spent a lot of time on a premium deer unit years ago which happens to be named after Joseph Henry and anywho, after 10 days on the archery deer hunt, I bumped into a hunter who missed the first ten days of the hunt and he got a hot tip from his neighbor of what’s the best deer unit in the state. To my surprise he hunted deer creek area on the opener and rolled down to this premium unit after not seeing a buck. I asked where he got his tag and his reply was “sportsmens wharehouse in Provo” When I gave the conservation officer his liscense plate and what info I could gather his reply was “Now ones that stupid” never did see what or if he killed anything, but it happens more than people realize.
Totally agree, no need to tear out all the plumbing and destroy it and this point for a chitty china made pea trap.
All the archery tags will now be bull only, and they will be doing a new cow hunt, or just increasing tags if they already have one. No more either sex tags.
The fact it is mostly all private property is exactly the reason they are doing that area as the any bull area. Their goal is to get elk off of the "refuge" areas, so they have less depredation issues.
If my memory serves me right, 2 years ago when they first proposed the new general season units they said that in the previous 5 years there ad been roughly 60,000 different individuals that had purchased either a general bull, or spike bull tag. That is probably a fairly close estimate as to what the numbers could truly be.
Or cap it at another 15K and see how fast they sell out and what the demand is before blowing it wide open. That is 15k more opportunities.
That area will actually be cut out of the Nebo unit and not the Manti unit. They used to have an extended season for the same area, but they got rid of it several years ago. It's typically an area the elk move to later in the year, but there might be a few elk living there earlier in the year as well. Lots of private property. It is a tough unit to hunt without any access to private.
by some people, I think you mean WLH and Mossback.
It is way past time we stop catering to large outfitters and special interest groups that only care about themselves. But I agree with you, there will be plenty crying about the lack of 400" bulls. I would argue we actually ruin the elk herd by managing for quality only.
by some people, I think you mean WLH and Mossback.
Agreed - I wrote special interest groups, but SFW was the main entity I was thinking of!
I don’t know, can’t remember talking about it, and if it’s not mentioned specifically in Dax’s explanation you tube vid it might be an oversight or error
Lol, I’d imagine it would be more of a labor induced pizz dribble. Nv has 18 k or so elk population and puts out a helluva lot better high end product and age class than Utah from my experience with less resources.
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The problem is loss of potential hunting days. These tags take a long time to draw, and they will still take a long time to draw even after the DWR implements there feel good changes. I just feel that if there is going to be a significant change there should be a significant outcome as well. all this change does is take hunting days away from hunters that have invested considerable time and money to draw these tags. It won't magically reduce point creep.
If I understand the proposal, one benefit for the early rifle season would be a significant reduction in the number of early rifle hunters as many of these tags get moved into the middle rifle season?
What is your solution?
Why you waiting half a century to draw? Pick a unit you can draw and go hunt.
Jake, ? if the secret gets out then it will be harder for guys like us to get the tags. Let them collect all the points in the world while we hunt.
I think you misunderstood the proposal, where they refer to unlimited tags for the second “late” General Any Bull hunt scheduled for October 14-20, 2023. It is confusing when you have 13 proposed elk hunts scheduled for 2023.
Let me guess you have drawn your LE tag
I have drawn 2 archery LE elk tags, yes. And no, I did not kill either time. I currently have 18 deer points, 21 moose points. My dad died a while back with max elk points. My brother has 17 elk points. My wife has 11 elk points. Soooooo?
That's what they are proposing, the Wildlife board will meet on this on Dec 1st to decide if they approve of all the changes.
No. That is a completely different RAC/WB meeting.
Yes, they will do it similar to the late muzzloader deer hunts on the general units. It will be 1% of the total tag aligations or 5 tags whichever is more. And those tags do not go against the archery tag quota % of 25%. They are in addition too that number.
Thanks Jake. Those hunts will be tough.
Very, but would be pretty intriguing if you could draw with just a few points
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