Nate Strong ... take two

>I have the same tag.
>Hopefully, he can show me
>where the big hybrids live.
>


He might, after he kills his!
 
'I have the same tag. Hopefully, he can show me where the big hybrids live.'

Pretty damn funny!! haha

Yeh--he is a #1 draft choice.... milking it out so he can hunt this season.

Robb
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-16 AT 06:12AM (MST)[p]I shot a whitetail of similar size last season but I'm passing it off as a Muley!!
 
I can see it now:

Strong's attorney: "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, may I ask you this: Would a guilty man apply for hunting licenses if he thought he was guilty of poaching? NOT applying for licenses would be the actions of a guilty man, NOT an innocent one!"

Mr. Strong just made an innocent mistake, right??

Reasonable doubt has now been made apparent.

Strong may have applied for tags under counsel advice?
 
Has he been convicted? No
Did the courts remove his ability to apply and be drawn for a hunt? No

While I believe he'll be convicted, and the courts should have prevented him from applying for tags, GoHunt is worse than the Enquirer.
 
It will be interesting to see what will happen if he is convicted in regards to his teaching and coaching in the school system there. Personally I wouldn't my children anywhere near the guy as a role model in either capacity for them. Even if he's tenured if I had kids in that school system I'd be raising a big stink, but not until after the case is completed and he is found guilty or he changes his plea to guilty.
 
I believe the G&F has made a mistake in this case and the defense has picked up on it. The fact that they had this 100% obvious mule deer buck's DNA tested, will become the focal point for Strong, claiming a "hybrid" cannot be identified by appearance alone. It could stretch the legal system around hunting regs to new heights.

I believe we will be seeing future regulation regarding mule deer and whitetail tags because of this case.
 
Our regs show the differences between a Blacktail and Whitetail but I haven't seen anything regarding a hybrid. It could be a real can o' worms.
 
I don't believe G&F made a mistake on this situation because testing was the only way that they could prove this was a mule deer and not a hybrid or whitetail. That fact should get him convicted because the DNA analysis was conclusive that it was a mule deer. As soon as I saw this come out on the internet I thought to myself exactly what you have mentioned though. This hybrid possibility will be a can of worms for the G&F because there is nothing in an actual law that differentiates the difference between a mule deer, a whitetail, or now a hybrid and what tag is good if the animal is actually a hybrid. IMHO the G&F needs to immediately get a statute specifically stating what characteristics have to be present to use a particular tag to take an animal unless that tag is good for both species or one with both characteristics like where I hunt. We all know that normally you can look at the tail alone to tell the difference between the two species. The racks can sometimes be deceiving because mule deer don't always have bifurcated racks and some nontypical whitetails do. In fact, I have a nontypical rack on the wall here that I took down in the brush country of south Texas back in the 80s. It is not huge, but I shot it because it was the only real nontypical buck that I've ever seen and it looks like a typical 4x4 mule deer with nice brow points. Unless I would tell you what it is nobody would ever know it's a pure whitetail since mule deer live hundreds of miles from where that deer was shot.

However, it gets very interesting when the two species interbreed and what the offspring can look like. We saw a buck down low on the mountain we hunt several times over two years and for sure it was a cross between the two. He had a whitetail's color and the head/ears of one, but the rack was a screwy mixture of both. We never got a look at his rear end the few times we saw him. I would have shot him in a heartbeat, but hew was always on a piece of private property we didn't have access to. It will be interesting to see what the G&F does, if anything, regarding the possible misuse of tags that we're discussing due to this court case. I hope a Judge or jury will convict him, but I have my suspicions that a deal will be cut that they will let him off without huge penalties at the state level. It will be interesting to see if after the case is completed whether the Feds will go after him for violation of the Lacey Act since he took the head from Wyoming to have the taxidermy work done.
 
>We don't need more laws. That's
>a mule deer. Case closed!
>


It would be real nice if things were that simple DW, but in this litigious society we now live in it will take something in black and white in a statute to eliminate the possibility of another Strong case involving this hybrid BS!
 
It is black and white, he had a tag for a whitetail, he shot a mule deer. 40,000 new laws annually only mire us down. There was a book awhile back about what happens to the do'ers in a society once they're weighted down in regulation, I forget the name of it......
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-13-16 AT 06:41PM (MST)[p]
In colorado we have a 5" minimum brow tine for a legal bull in some units. If you shoot one that's 4.5" you can't say it looked to be 5" as he was running by. If your not 100% certain, you don't shoot or you deal with the consequences of your actions. Nate rolled the dice knowingly shooting a mule deer with a whitetail tag as anyone with half a brain can see, and now must deal with the consequences of his actions. It was his decision to risk breaking the existing law. Another law would be redundant.
 
>It is black and white, he
>had a tag for a
>whitetail, he shot a mule
>deer. 40,000 new laws annually
>only mire us down. There
>was a book awhile back
>about what happens to the
>do'ers in a society once
>they're weighted down in regulation,
>I forget the name of
>it......

We aren't arguing that the Strong case is black & white after the DNA showed it was a pure mule deer. It didn't really take a brain surgeon to see that buck was a mule deer from head to toe. The guy appears to have even admitted that he knew it was when he was talked to and that will also put nails in his coffin. What we are saying is that the G&F needs to state in black & white in a statute what specifically designates each species so this hybrid BS is completely taken out of the equation. Even if they eliminated that late whitetail hunt on that separate license it would still leave this hybrid BS up for questions and people possibly using the wrong tag at other times.
 
On average a dozen moose are mistakenly shot in Colorado by people who thought they were elk. In the Colorado regs there are descriptions, complete with pictures of each species of big game animals, I suspect it's the same in the Wyoming regs. We can't legislate common sense. We can only punish those who lack it.
 
They should not have DNA tested that mule deer buck IMO. It lends to the idea that even G&F can't identify with 100% surety that it wasn't a hybrid.

Identifying characteristics are all that is needed to make a deer legal with one type of license (any deer) or the other(whitetail only).
 
I think the idea is to erase all doubt. Not only can anyone "see" that this is a mule deer, we've now eliminated any silly notion that this deer might have even a splash of whitetail blood. Not that I can't see yer point as well jm77.
 
>I think the idea is to
>erase all doubt. Not only
>can anyone "see" that this
>is a mule deer, we've
>now eliminated any silly notion
>that this deer might have
>even a splash of whitetail
>blood. Not that I can't
>see yer point as well
>jm77.


That's exactly why they did it DW and I have to respectfully disagree with Jeff because by doing the DNA test it completely eliminated the hybrid hypothesis that could be brought up in the court room. In LE you have to look at every single thing that the defendant can bring up to try and create a reasonable doubt, especially if it goes to a jury trial. The DNA test completely took that defense away from Strong. I would bet he'll either change his plea or be found guilty in a trial, but I have my doubts about the severity of the penalty he'll get at the state level. The best thing would be for the Feds to charge him with Lacey Act violations and then he is in deep dodo, but that can't be done until the state charges are completed and he changes his plea or is found guilty of the state charges. Otherwise the Feds would have nothing to charge him with. The wheels of justice go slow, but in the end Strong will regret what he did if he hasn't already!
 
The defense will without a doubt use jm77's point in their arguement. Hopefully it fails, time will tell.
 
I seriously doubt that this will go to trial DW and if it does the area is so small to draw an impartial jury that they would probably ask for it to be moved out of the area. That request would be strictly up to the Judge who would hear the case. I'm guessing a deal will be made like happens the majority of the time and this is just a stall tactic by his attorney.
 
In a civil court it is a Perponderance of Evodence not Reasonable Doubt. There is a huge difference. Remember the OJ Simpson trials. He was found guilty in civil court but not criminal court.
 

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