Nate Strong Poacher
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wyobackcountry
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There's no way in hell he thought it was a hybrid! It was only after word started getting out and he was trying to cover his tracks that he came up with that B.S.
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>if he has the ten
>year in school you cant
>touch him.
That may or may not be true Walt. I'm guessing it will all depend on what that school district has in it's contract with the teacher's union. This conviction may not be as bad as if he was a pedophile, but it certainly is major enough that I'm guessing a lot of folks will put pressure on the district to can him if at all possible. IMHO at the least he should be relieved of all further coaching responsibilities with the kids in that District. Also, in a small community like that I'm guessing there will be some real pressure applied to keep him from coaching kids at other non school related activities as well. I know for sure that I wouldn't want a person like that in close proximity to my kids that should be teaching positive values to them as a role model and pulls something like that. His IQ must have been single digit to be so stupid to think that he could get away with it.
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>if he has the ten
>year in school you cant
>touch him.
That may or may not be true Walt. I'm guessing it will all depend on what that school district has in it's contract with the teacher's union. This conviction may not be as bad as if he was a pedophile, but it certainly is major enough that I'm guessing a lot of folks will put pressure on the district to can him if at all possible. IMHO at the least he should be relieved of all further coaching responsibilities with the kids in that District. Also, in a small community like that I'm guessing there will be some real pressure applied to keep him from coaching kids at other non school related activities as well. I know for sure that I wouldn't want a person like that in close proximity to my kids that should be teaching positive values to them as a role model and pulls something like that. His IQ must have been single digit to be so stupid to think that he could get away with it.
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http://www.gohunt.com/read/news/breaking-story-230-inch-mule-deer-buck-poached-in-wyoming
- Good article about the whole deal.
He and that other piece of chit Jeremie lewis who used to be Wyohighcountry and is still heavenat10k on insta...Might as well be best friends, roomates, neighbors, etc...Absolute disgraces to the hunting community and I couldnt be happier about the truth coming forward in both instances. This whole "social media famous" hunter thing is getting out of control and is causing people to completely break the law or lie like there is no tomorrow trying to get their piece of "fame". Absolute embarrassments to the sport and community of hunters
- Good article about the whole deal.
He and that other piece of chit Jeremie lewis who used to be Wyohighcountry and is still heavenat10k on insta...Might as well be best friends, roomates, neighbors, etc...Absolute disgraces to the hunting community and I couldnt be happier about the truth coming forward in both instances. This whole "social media famous" hunter thing is getting out of control and is causing people to completely break the law or lie like there is no tomorrow trying to get their piece of "fame". Absolute embarrassments to the sport and community of hunters
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>>
>>if he has the ten
>>year in school you cant
>>touch him.
>
>That may or may not be
>true Walt. I'm guessing
>it will all depend on
>what that school district has
>in it's contract with the
>teacher's union. This conviction
>may not be as bad
>as if he was a
>pedophile, but it certainly is
>major enough that I'm guessing
>a lot of folks will
>put pressure on the district
>to can him if at
>all possible. IMHO at
>the least he should be
>relieved of all further coaching
>responsibilities with the kids in
>that District. Also, in
>a small community like that
>I'm guessing there will be
>some real pressure applied to
>keep him from coaching kids
>at other non school related
>activities as well. I
>know for sure that I
>wouldn't want a person like
>that in close proximity to
>my kids that should be
>teaching positive values to them
>as a role model and
>pulls something like that. His
>IQ must have been single
>digit to be so stupid
>to think that he could
>get away with it.
T G,I was joking of course, he should be punished like anybody else.
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>>if he has the ten
>>year in school you cant
>>touch him.
>
>That may or may not be
>true Walt. I'm guessing
>it will all depend on
>what that school district has
>in it's contract with the
>teacher's union. This conviction
>may not be as bad
>as if he was a
>pedophile, but it certainly is
>major enough that I'm guessing
>a lot of folks will
>put pressure on the district
>to can him if at
>all possible. IMHO at
>the least he should be
>relieved of all further coaching
>responsibilities with the kids in
>that District. Also, in
>a small community like that
>I'm guessing there will be
>some real pressure applied to
>keep him from coaching kids
>at other non school related
>activities as well. I
>know for sure that I
>wouldn't want a person like
>that in close proximity to
>my kids that should be
>teaching positive values to them
>as a role model and
>pulls something like that. His
>IQ must have been single
>digit to be so stupid
>to think that he could
>get away with it.
T G,I was joking of course, he should be punished like anybody else.
jm77
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Two things here:
First, unfortunately tenure in Wyoming schools is a big deal. There is a very good chance there will be no repercussions from the school system about this. It will remain to be seen how public pressure on him has an influence on his job.
Second, as crazy as this seems, he DID have a deer license. We all know he filled it with the wrong species, but he had a license. Because of that, this offense will not fall under the "Winter Range Act" which mandates high fine and loss of hunting privileges. The way around that is to prove he intended to shoot a mule deer, not a whitetail, which will be difficult.
No matter, he still will most likely lose privileges, but if there is a Lacey Act violation, that would be the best bet to stick it to this alleged poacher big time!
First, unfortunately tenure in Wyoming schools is a big deal. There is a very good chance there will be no repercussions from the school system about this. It will remain to be seen how public pressure on him has an influence on his job.
Second, as crazy as this seems, he DID have a deer license. We all know he filled it with the wrong species, but he had a license. Because of that, this offense will not fall under the "Winter Range Act" which mandates high fine and loss of hunting privileges. The way around that is to prove he intended to shoot a mule deer, not a whitetail, which will be difficult.
No matter, he still will most likely lose privileges, but if there is a Lacey Act violation, that would be the best bet to stick it to this alleged poacher big time!
Agree with you 100% Jeff and that's what I was alluding to in my comments to Walt regarding school sanctions. You bring up some good points and it will be interesting to see what the penalties are on 4/11. If people think they aren't stiff enough, I don't doubt that the way people are already outraged at what has happened that they will press the agencies for Lacey Act violations against the guy. If he comes up on those, IMHO it's damn near a slam dunk case since they have the paperwork showing he took it to the Utah taxidermist, the testimony of the taxidermist if it's needed, as well as paperwork showing it was entered as an exhibit at the Expo, along with all the photos showing it there with his name and the score as a mule deer.
The guy might be forced to give up his coaching duties. Doubtful he'll lose his teaching job if he's tenured unless he has to serve a lengthy jail sentence. I have a friend who's a somebody in the local district. They fired a teacher here a couple years ago for misconduct. The district ended up in Court over the deal and it cost almost $200k in legal and expert fees to get rid of the person. At least with this district, termination is an option of last resort.
ClearCreek
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>Two things here:
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>Second, as crazy as this seems,
>he DID have a deer
>license. We all know he
>filled it with the wrong
>species, but he had a
>license. Because of that, this
>offense will not fall under
>the "Winter Range Act" which
>mandates high fine and loss
>of hunting privileges. The way
>around that is to prove
>he intended to shoot a
>mule deer, not a whitetail,
>which will be difficult.
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>
I think he could be charged under Wyoming Statute 23-3-102(d) as that section reads:
"Any person who knowingly takes any antlered elk, antlered deer, antlered moose, horned antelope, bighorn sheep, mountain goat, mountain lion, grizzly bear or black bear without the proper license or during a closed season except as otherwise permitted by this act is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000.00) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00), imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both. A third or subsequent conviction within ten (10) years for a violation of this subsection shall constitute a felony punishable by a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000.00) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00), imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, or both. For the purposes of determining whether a violation of this subsection is a felony, convictions resulting from the same occurrence shall be considered a single conviction even if the result of the occurrence is more than one (1) misdemeanor conviction. The provisions of W.S. 6 8 101(a) shall not apply to convictions under this section."
He took an antlered mule deer "without the proper license" and it was a closed season for mule deer.
ClearCreek
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>Second, as crazy as this seems,
>he DID have a deer
>license. We all know he
>filled it with the wrong
>species, but he had a
>license. Because of that, this
>offense will not fall under
>the "Winter Range Act" which
>mandates high fine and loss
>of hunting privileges. The way
>around that is to prove
>he intended to shoot a
>mule deer, not a whitetail,
>which will be difficult.
>
>
I think he could be charged under Wyoming Statute 23-3-102(d) as that section reads:
"Any person who knowingly takes any antlered elk, antlered deer, antlered moose, horned antelope, bighorn sheep, mountain goat, mountain lion, grizzly bear or black bear without the proper license or during a closed season except as otherwise permitted by this act is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000.00) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00), imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both. A third or subsequent conviction within ten (10) years for a violation of this subsection shall constitute a felony punishable by a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000.00) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00), imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, or both. For the purposes of determining whether a violation of this subsection is a felony, convictions resulting from the same occurrence shall be considered a single conviction even if the result of the occurrence is more than one (1) misdemeanor conviction. The provisions of W.S. 6 8 101(a) shall not apply to convictions under this section."
He took an antlered mule deer "without the proper license" and it was a closed season for mule deer.
ClearCreek
jm77
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If Strong did indeed admit to knowingly killing this deer illegally, he can be charged with 23-3-102(d).
If he sticks to the story about the hybrid, it will have to be proven he knew it was a mule deer(which we all know he did) and not a hybrid to make 23-3-102(d) stick.
If he sticks to the story about the hybrid, it will have to be proven he knew it was a mule deer(which we all know he did) and not a hybrid to make 23-3-102(d) stick.
DoubleDropMuley
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Let's hope not. Charge him with everything they can!!!!
LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-16 AT 01:06PM (MST)[p]Right now he's up on state violations that jm77 mentioned:
Wyoming Game & Fish conducted an investigation into the matter in February and formal charges were filed against Nate Strong on Tuesday, March 29th in Circuit Court in Sublette County. The charges are for knowingly Taking an Antlered Deer Without Proper License or During a Closed Season, which is a misdemeanor. The charge carries a fine of not less than $5,000 or more than $10,000, or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.
According to Wyoming Chief GW Brian Nesvik while the investigation was still being handled in the Pinedale Office, the State?s Game and Fish Investigation Team had taken over the lead in the case from Pinedale Game Warden Adam Hymas. Nesvik said the team is composed of six full-time investigators with the mandate to investigate wildlife related crimes. Nesvik explained the team fills a role equivalent to detectives in a police agency, ?They handle cases that are complex such as those that cross state lines.? Nesvik said the team was brought in relatively early in the investigation but he didn't have an exact date. Nesvik said that the case is a high priority and that it has been the subject of much public attention. Nesvik said that the public interest in wildlife law enforcement proves how important the subject is to the public. Several readers have contacted SweetwaterNOW with concerns about a possible conflict of interest between Hymas and Nate Strong who is the person being investigated. The readers describe the two as being friends.
Wyoming Game & Fish conducted an investigation into the matter in February and formal charges were filed against Nate Strong on Tuesday, March 29th in Circuit Court in Sublette County. The charges are for knowingly Taking an Antlered Deer Without Proper License or During a Closed Season, which is a misdemeanor. The charge carries a fine of not less than $5,000 or more than $10,000, or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.
According to Wyoming Chief GW Brian Nesvik while the investigation was still being handled in the Pinedale Office, the State?s Game and Fish Investigation Team had taken over the lead in the case from Pinedale Game Warden Adam Hymas. Nesvik said the team is composed of six full-time investigators with the mandate to investigate wildlife related crimes. Nesvik explained the team fills a role equivalent to detectives in a police agency, ?They handle cases that are complex such as those that cross state lines.? Nesvik said the team was brought in relatively early in the investigation but he didn't have an exact date. Nesvik said that the case is a high priority and that it has been the subject of much public attention. Nesvik said that the public interest in wildlife law enforcement proves how important the subject is to the public. Several readers have contacted SweetwaterNOW with concerns about a possible conflict of interest between Hymas and Nate Strong who is the person being investigated. The readers describe the two as being friends.
treedagain
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lets get this straight....the guy killed/poached a deer, took it to Utah to get mounted and got caught? ok I understand he needs to be punished but the energy and push for justice for a dead deer and the expectation of a punishment that changes a man's life, prison, huge fine. loss of job is almost laughable when you put it into context to the crimes that have those same penalty's. take away his right to hunt ok..fine him etc..there are a lot of people walking the streets for violent crimes to HUMAM'S, rape. murder, child abuse...let alone some wall street guy stealing millions of dollars of peoples retirement....but lets hang this dude or make room for this guy to take up space in a jail/prison.
go ahead and blast me, I want you to feel good about yourselves and reaffirm your self righteous beliefs while misguided you have that right
I would love to see you guys blowing up the phone and emails to lawmakers/prosecutors asking for a just sentence for a murderer, child molester or rapist.
I do feel he needs to have a punishment worthy of the crime and in no way feel he should not have repercussions for his actions.
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go ahead and blast me, I want you to feel good about yourselves and reaffirm your self righteous beliefs while misguided you have that right
I would love to see you guys blowing up the phone and emails to lawmakers/prosecutors asking for a just sentence for a murderer, child molester or rapist.
I do feel he needs to have a punishment worthy of the crime and in no way feel he should not have repercussions for his actions.
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+1 Jeff The guy made his own bed when he knowingly did what he did and if he talked to the GW friend of his before he did it like it sounds it was certainly premeditated and not just a quick decision on his part! He needs to receive exactly what the statute allows in this particular case since it wasn't a mistake and he took it out of state to lessen his chances of getting caught. Either max fine or possibly a time in jail IMHO would be appropriate along with lengthy loss of hunting privileges. Why would anyone not hope that the guy losses his job as a mentor of young kids in his present capacity. He not only screwed himself, but if he has a family they will also unfortunately feel the repercussions of his bad judgement.
treedagain
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>You're not worth blasting Treed, as
>you wildly make assumptions on
>here that no one asks
>for a "just sentence for
>a murderer, child molester or
>rapist".
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> But I will make no
>excuse for hoping a poacher
>is punished to the full
>extent of the law.
full extent of the law is just what it should be, the talk of messing with his job and personal life is the issue in my mind
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>you wildly make assumptions on
>here that no one asks
>for a "just sentence for
>a murderer, child molester or
>rapist".
>
> But I will make no
>excuse for hoping a poacher
>is punished to the full
>extent of the law.
full extent of the law is just what it should be, the talk of messing with his job and personal life is the issue in my mind
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-16 AT 07:29PM (MST)[p]>>You're not worth blasting Treed, as
>>you wildly make assumptions on
>>here that no one asks
>>for a "just sentence for
>>a murderer, child molester or
>>rapist".
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>> But I will make no
>>excuse for hoping a poacher
>>is punished to the full
>>extent of the law.
>
>full extent of the law is
>just what it should be,
>the talk of messing with
>his job and personal life
>is the issue in my
>mind
>
>How to start an argument online:
>
>1. Express an opinion
>2. Wait
Would you like that guy coaching and teaching your kids after what he pulled? If I lived in that community, and especially if I was a parent with kids in the system, you can bet your butt I'd be heading up or doing anything necessary to relieve him of any and all mentoring responsibilities!
>>you wildly make assumptions on
>>here that no one asks
>>for a "just sentence for
>>a murderer, child molester or
>>rapist".
>>
>> But I will make no
>>excuse for hoping a poacher
>>is punished to the full
>>extent of the law.
>
>full extent of the law is
>just what it should be,
>the talk of messing with
>his job and personal life
>is the issue in my
>mind
>
>How to start an argument online:
>
>1. Express an opinion
>2. Wait
Would you like that guy coaching and teaching your kids after what he pulled? If I lived in that community, and especially if I was a parent with kids in the system, you can bet your butt I'd be heading up or doing anything necessary to relieve him of any and all mentoring responsibilities!
jm77
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Treed said "full extent of the law is just what it should be, the talk of messing with his job and personal life is the issue in my mind"
Collateral damage happens to criminals in their personal life as well as their jobs. We should hold a person involved with teaching and mentoring children to a higher standard.
But who's kidding who? This is MM and it's not like we have any say, just opinions here.
His community will decide how to treat him, if and when he is convicted.
Collateral damage happens to criminals in their personal life as well as their jobs. We should hold a person involved with teaching and mentoring children to a higher standard.
But who's kidding who? This is MM and it's not like we have any say, just opinions here.
His community will decide how to treat him, if and when he is convicted.
mightyhunter
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This is a bad situation that the poacher put himself in. I still remember how the grizzly bear biologist for Game and Fish in Cody, Wyoming was not fired for shooting a grizzly bear (he claimed he thought it was a black bear) from the road right of way on the highway running along the North Fork of the Shoshone. As part of his punishment, this teacher should be required to write on the blackboard a 1,000 times "I will never poach again".
just sayin...mh
just sayin...mh
>Hit him with heavy fines, maybe
>weekend jail time during the
>hunts. I dont know if
>you could fire him over
>this.
Probably not if he's tenured, but I'll bet in that small community a lot of folks will try or maybe even tell the school board they don't want their kids around him. It's a shame that whatever family he has in that community will probably really suffer the consequences of a really stupid decision that was all his.
>weekend jail time during the
>hunts. I dont know if
>you could fire him over
>this.
Probably not if he's tenured, but I'll bet in that small community a lot of folks will try or maybe even tell the school board they don't want their kids around him. It's a shame that whatever family he has in that community will probably really suffer the consequences of a really stupid decision that was all his.
>Maybe he has DNA that the
>deer's great grandfather was a
>Whitetail
Actually entering a
>non-guilty plea until an agreement
>can me made with the
>prosecutor is fairly common.
They'll have a pretrial conference and it probably won't go any further than that, but will take enough time to get him through the rest of the school year if he can even show his face there!
>deer's great grandfather was a
>Whitetail
Actually entering a >non-guilty plea until an agreement
>can me made with the
>prosecutor is fairly common.
They'll have a pretrial conference and it probably won't go any further than that, but will take enough time to get him through the rest of the school year if he can even show his face there!
Wapitiwilly
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Guess that means there is a good chance he will be hunting Wyo this fall. And that SUCKS!!!
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