The public land is some steep country. My uncle had the tag last year and shot a small bull. We saw alot of small bulls and alot of cows but nothing big. I think it has gone down hill and there are better units if you want a big bull. But, im sure there are still some good ones just not as many as there once was. If you look at the harvest and how many days hunted from last year. I think it was around 12 day average to kill so those that killed had to work hard and spend alot of time. If you draw let me know and I will help with what I can