Montana Rams....

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I got my postcard on Saturday stating the '04 Ram, Goat, Moose proc will be sent out the first of April. I like the way they do your current point total on the postcard, it is helpfull in remembering and comparing to last years postcard. Max. is 3 going into the '04 draw. Might even pull off a Ram tag in Mt. this fall. Good luck to all of ya!
 
Good luck in the draw. I liked the way they did it last year, peel the sticker off and put it on your application. One less thing to screw up!
 
Notice they said "INTERNET APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE AFTER APRIL 1". I wonder if they charge only the application fees up front too. I guess we will see next week. Oh well, MT draw odds are very poor anyway.
 
Internet aplicatonis means you can print them off and send them in... No credit cards excepted. I hope they keep it that way too!
 
I got 2 points for goat& sheep and I hope MT holds out and never goes to CC apps, but sooner or later they will.
 
They posted the application today. Fewer "Primo" units available to nonresident sheep wanabe hunters this year. Between that, and the internet applications, odds for those units available are really going to be poor.
 
Now where are all the guys who regularly put in for the upper and lower Rock Creek units going to apply? I bet odds on the Breaks go through the roof. Oh well, like you said, you have to apply to draw.
 
I'd really enjoy having a Ewe mount next to my Ram mount so maybe I'll do the Ewe only unit as 2nd choice.........
I'm glad their not going to Credit Card applicants......
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-31-04 AT 06:48AM (MST)[p]According to this article... its a go as of april first for all special licenceing! They will charge you a non refundable 2% of the entire cost of your tags. So add another $15 for each of the big three if you're a NR. They should make it 20% for credit card aplications IMO. I would rather send mine in than pay an extra $50! Add in the "prefrence points" to make just the drawing cost over $100!

Online licensing quick, easy; Special license applications available online April 1
By Mark Henckel
MONTANA OUTDOORS

I'll admit it. I was just being lazy.

Dressed in sweats and slippers, kicking back in my recliner, I was daydreaming about going fishing. And I was enjoying those dreams - even though I hadn't bought my fishing license yet for the year.

(Is that allowed? Dreaming about fishing without the proper license? I'd better watch those dreams when game wardens are around.)


It was time for me to buy my Sportsman's license, turkey tag, archery license, warm water stamp and all the other licenses I typically buy in spring, but I just didn't have the energy to get up, get dressed, get in my truck and drive to the nearest license agent to get the job done.

So I went to my computer instead.

On the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Web site - www.fwp.state.mt.us - I clicked on the Online Licensing button.

With credit card in hand, I went through the step-by-step process. Click on the link to state you're a Montana resident. Then fill in your name and address, Automated Licensing System (ALS) number and driver's license number. Then go through the menu of licenses you want and plug in the number of those licenses to buy - usually one.

If you make an error or two - and I did - of not clicking on certain prerequisite licenses, you get an error message and you can correct the form.

Then fill in your credit card information, click "submit" and you can print out a temporary license to use until FWP sends you your permanent license in the mail, which takes about a week.

The whole process took about five minutes - errors and all.

Your credit card is charged the amount of the licenses, plus a 2 percent credit card fee and $1.25 that goes to the FWP Internet service provider. In my case, that turned out to be $2.90, less than I'd have spent on gas to get to my nearest license agent.

It was pretty slick, pretty quick, pretty easy and, best of all, I didn't even have to change out of my sweats and slippers.

Beginning April 1, hunters will be able to go through the same process to apply for their moose, mountain goat, bighorn sheep, antelope, special elk, special deer and deer B licenses.

I went through a test of the special license application system early this week and found it to be just as quick and just as slick as buying my other licenses. About five minutes and I was done. When the system goes online to the public, I'll be doing it all again for real.

Ron Aasheim, information division chief with FWP, told me there are some side benefits for hunters who apply for the special license drawings online.

"You get a confirmation that your application has been received and entered into the drawings immediately," he said. "The application won't be accepted if there's an error on it. If you make a mistake and plug in the wrong hunting district, that's your problem, but as long as it's a valid district number and all the other information is correct, you're in the drawings."

Aasheim said that with paper form applications, a whole crew of people has to be hired to read the sometimes-scratchy handwriting, verify information, then input the information into the state computer by hand. That slows down the process and, as a result, it takes longer before the drawings can be held.

"We don't have to check these online applications. They've been verified by the computer and the applicant. So it saves us some money," he said. "It's in the system, so we don't have to re-enter it.

"If we can reduce the amount of time to process, we can draw quicker," Aasheim added. "With this, we told the FWP commission that on the deer, elk and antelope drawing, we're gong to try to draw no later than the first week of August. And perhaps draw it even a week earlier than that. The more people that apply online, the quicker we can draw."

Aasheim said hunters can still apply on a paper form as they've done in the past. Application forms and regulations booklets will be available at all state license agents. They can also go to any FWP office and apply.

But believe me, if you have access to a computer that's hooked up to the Internet, it's easier, quicker and better all the way around.

And best of all, you don't even have to wander too far away from your recliner or change out of your sweats and slippers.
 
If MT goes to CC apps for NR it is really going to suck, odds for good tags will be over 2,000 to one for NR with no points (sheep) in good units.

I am really beggining to HATE these CC apps.

Killed my odds in NV, then AZ & UT, now NM & CO, MT too?

WY is the last hold out.

Any outfitter in Edmonton who hunts sheep can easily double his prices and he will always book up.

I wish they charged $100 to apply with a CC, or more.

I used to be near shocked at what draw odds were for NR sheep tags, since then it has gotten twice as hard in 5 years.

Oh well, there is always that slim chance,

good luck to all.
 
Bambistew,

Is that the answer? Make hunting so freakin expensive the only people that can even afford to apply are the upper crust of society!

F*** THAT! I don't care if you limit the amount of tags given out, but don't make it so us working stiffs cant even apply. Don't license over the internet (by CC), thats fine. It pisses me off that they want to charge me for even thinking about applying! If I don't get drawn I shouldn't owe anybody anything!

All you guys are concerned about is "your odds". I don't like competing for tags (which I don't, since I haven't applied to a lottery to hunt as a NR). But you have to accept that others want the same thing as you. Most are no worse or no better than yourselves. You sound like golum "my sheep, my precious, they want to take my PRECIOUS!"

Sorry for getting on a soapbox, but hunting is becoming an aristocratic past time, many of YOU GUYS are the people promoting this! I don't make a lot of money, I have others to take care of. I hunt, it is what I love to do, and in my honest F***ing opinion, those who want to make hunting expensive to monopolize the opportunity, they can suck it.

smalls
 
Whats your problem smalls? Not having beein a drawing what do you know about it? Its hard to draw a tag and going to CC applications is going to make it even harder. Whats going to stop them from doubling the cost next year, and the year after? Most people have plenty of credit... When will they stop? When people run out of credit, instead of money??? Look at all the other states in the west its over twice as much to put in for the same tags as it is in MT...

I don't make all that much money either, but for the last 10 years I have saved and scrimped all the money I could afford so that I could put in for a sheep, moose and goat tags in other states every year. Now that they go to CC applications people that "don't have much money" can now apply with out having to put for ANY effort of saving money what so ever. Its not about being poor its about not having ambition! Thats what pisses me off. I worked for it and earned my right to apply but now anyone can apply with out having to pay anything more than intrest on their CC. Typical America... they want everything for nothing and want everyone to be on the same field... kind of like China!

The fish and game commission has made hunting so expensive because there's always someone out there WILLING to save the money or get a better job so that they can cough it up for the tags when its time. Not all the people that put in for those tags are rich most of us are "working stiffs" like yourself...no one wants to pay more, but its all about supply and demand!
 
One thing to keep in mind, at least in NV with points squared, only one guy with less than six points drew a desert sheep tag last year. The thousands of new "credit card" applications had no virtually effect on those with a few points draw odds. Now MT is just straight bonus points, but being three up on these "masses" will still be big.
 
LM - NRA, NAHC, RMEF
Its the old love - hate situation. Love to draw the permit - hate the competition for the permits. I too have been putting in for years for sheep and goats. Don't know if I will ever draw but I am guaranteed if I don't put in I will not draw. I am just a lowly working stiff that has saved thru the years and now keep my slush fund for hunting apps. Send it out every year-and get it back every year. Better than when you go to 'VEGAS'. I wish there were enough permits that we all could get one. I like the way Colorado does their pref points. You are guaranteed to get a permit if you keep applying. All permits go to those with the most points - period!!!! Wish the other states would follow their lead!Good luck in your draws.
 
I don't believe not having recieved a tag denial letter from another state makes me unqualified to comment on price trends in hunting.

If you look at my post, I clearly said I don't like licensing over the internet (CC apps). My point of contention is the inflated application fees due with the application. At least wait until I get a tag to drain my bank account and max my credit, don't ding me everytime I dream about applying though! Just like you said, "it's not about being poor, its about not having ambition."

And your quote:
"Typical America... they want everything for nothing and want everyone to be on the same field... kind of like China!"

That's not accurate, I don't want anything for nothing. If I don't get drawn, I am not getting anything. If I get drawn for a tag, then I would gladly grab my ankles and pay the outrageous prices for a tag!

I realize you are frustrated with your odds of drawing a tag, but advocating ridiculous price increases to just apply for a tag isn't the way to solve that problem! I think we agree on most things here.

PS- The reason I haven't applied for an out of state tag is that I could never afford the price (credit or no credit). When I get established financially, you bet I will be applying. And just for you, I will even apply pen and paper where it's available.
 
You're right you can comment on what ever you feel like and so can I. We are on the same page except for that one thing. I'm no better than everyone else here I will give you that. I'm complaining about having to put up with twice as many applicants that dont' have to do anything to put in for the tag but give them their CC number and away they go... What about the rest of us that have been patiently applying for the last umpteen years with our savings? We get no credit for that what so ever now. I think having to pay extra with a CC is our credit!

I wasn't directing that china comment toward you, but the people in general that complain about not having the money to play the game. Its all about how bad you want it! I hate that they charge out the ars for a tag as well, but again its a supply and demand thing. If there are tags, there will all ways be people who put in. If they can get 100 people to spend $10,000 for a tag and a $500 application fee, who's going to stop them, as long as they get thier money. But if it only cost $10 for a tag how many people do you think would apply? It's almost like winning the lottery as it is can you immagine putting in with 20,000 people for 5 tags?

I think the CC application fee is just fine...
 
Yeah, I agree with you. The odds suck adn the cost sucks.

But like you said with the CC fee, what does that do? People are so irresponsible that a fee isn't going to slow them down. They are spending "imaginary" money with a cc.

I am in total favor of exponential bonus point systems. Those who apply year in year out (like you) get rewarded. I hope I am lucky enough to draw one of the 2 tags in my home state this year. I know it will never happen, but you got to apply to try!

smalls
 
smalls, what stae ya from on the 2 tags offered??

I'm am very against Credit Card appl. options. I want the odds in my favor and by adding the CC appl., anyone with a credit card and a gun can and will apply........
 
It really does not matter. The odds are so poor anyway, you probabally will never draw a MT sheep tag anyway. Just apply and hope to get lucky. You figure a nonresident can look at dividing the odds in the book by about three, so you are looking at no better than hundreds to one for any unit. If you have 50 years to apply, odds are real good you die before drawing a tag.
 
I am in North Dakota, and I misquoted the amount of tags, there are 3! That just upped my odds by 33%!

There are actually 4 tags, but one is auctioned off by the Minnesota/Wisconson chapter of FNAWS. It was auctioned 2 weeks ago for $40,000.

I routinely see sheep while mule deer hunting in the badlands. Even watched a full curl ram lollygag across a vertical hillside one afternoon. I won't even venture a guess on score since I am absolutely clueless when it comes to sheep.

A friend's brother-in-law drew the tag several years ago, didn't have any idea the feat he had accomplished. Never wanted to scout, actually tried to give the tag to my friend, but he wouldn't take it (can't transfer names on tags here anyway). It's a shame when people like that get a tag and they don't care.

smalls
 
1 in 100 odds........hell I'll take it! haha Drawn a few tags with odds like that the last 5 years.....maybe one this year! Dream-On for sure haha

smalls, get a hold of me will ya?? [email protected]
 
Just applied online today . They bill you upfront for the tag and fees. Gonna cost ya $799.17 .
 
LM - NRA, NAHC, RMEF
Times that by two (sheep and goat) and you could eat like a king for a month -- just kiddin! Gotta put in and with another $20 for the preference point.Some body is going to get drawn and it just might be me!
 

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