Leave the crosses up

[DRHORNHUNTER]

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=14...cision-upsets-families-of-fallen-uhp-officers

This is just wrong. And could someone tell these God less people and their dumb arse attorney who try to use the Constitution to take these down to actually read it. "Government owned land". Thought the Constitution said they couldn't own land. . It's public ground and if the majority of the public say its fine to place a cross where a trooper in the line of duty or civilian pass away then leave it alone.

 

[eldorado]

The court is simply following prior judicial precedence and Constitutional Law.

The memorials can be moved onto private property or better yet, reconfigured without any religious connotation.

I personally see nothing wrong with the memorials and hopefully something can be figured out to keep them there.

Eldorado

 

[kingfish]

LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-11 AT 11:49AM (MST)[p]I personally don't like to see crosses and memorials along the road side. No offense to those who lost loved ones but that's what cemeteries are for. It's just something I don't like to see. Just my opinion.


Government doesn't fix anything and has spent trillions proving it!!!
Let's face it...After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender says WTF!

 

[gb22]

They are following legal precedent....they are NOT following the Constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution that would be interpreted by a normal person that indicates ANYTHING saying one could NOT place a cross as described.

(The phrase (or similar) "separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution. The term first arose almost 100 years after ratification and was directed toward keeping the government from interfering with ANY expression of religion...not the other way around, as we are currently functioning.)


Within the shadows, go quietly.

 

[DRHORNHUNTER]

This just kinda hits home with me a little. The spot on the freeway where my brother passed away is kinda a nasty icy spot. If 't offends someone that there is a memorial cross on public ground where this happened and as a reminder or prevents even one life spared and a family and friends loss of a loved one by slowing down or not textin or drinking while driving then just leave it be. Look the other way Like I have to when I see all the spew and garbage that the unbelievers believe and walk around with their signs on public property

 

[Brandon82]

To your statement, we also have to turn our head when the believers spew their garbage. it works both ways man.

Personally i dont care what you do with the memorials. It is a little odd to see them on the side of the road. My grandfather died in a casino from a heart attack while smoking a cigarette, should i put a memorial on the sidewalk outside the casino? it just seems odd, never understood it. someone mentioned cemetaries, thats a good place to start.

 

[nickman]

Sorry, but those crosses only have meaning to a select group of friends and family.

I don't like them distracting other drivers from seeing me or my family members.

It has nothing to do with being a non believer....which I am sure I am, by your standards.

"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"

 

[1911]

> Sorry, but those crosses only
>have meaning to a select
>group of friends and family.
>
>
> I don't like them distracting
>other drivers from seeing me
>or my family members.
>
>It has nothing to do with
>being a non believer....which I
>am sure I am, by
>your standards.
>
>"If God did not intend for
>man to hunt animals, he
>would have made broccoli more
>fun to shoot"

So how is that a compelling argument for the removal of markers of Troopers killed in the line of duty as opposed to any of the other millions of roadside advertisements, buildings, or otherwise? Or is it just these particular markers that pose a danger? Weak argument. I find your position troubling that you find these markers only to hold meaning to certain family and friends. These are markers which signify the ultimate sacrifice by those who were in the service of public safety enjoyed by all, not just a select group. Does the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier have no merit because the soldier was not known to you or me?

The argument the Supreme Court refused to address was whether or not the symbol of the cross used in this context was a direct endorsement of Christianity which could be a real or perceived preferential treatment of citizens dependent on their religious affiliations. Specifically, the court refused to address the issue of whether or not that symbol raises to the level of that governmental endorsement. This would have been a hallmark case law set by the court had it been heard. As it sits now, several different courts have rendered inconsistent opinions. Some circuits have deemed it to be a universal sign of death and or sacrifice not specific to religious affiliation. Other courts, as in the case of the lower courts which have previously ruled on the markers in Utah, have deemed them to be more specifically a religious symbol without separation when used in the context of death and or sacrifice.

 

[ShowThemToMe]

well Nicky,
Think I'll send the missionaries over to talk to you.
Maybe they can straighten you cranky old ass out a bit?


> Sorry, but those crosses only
>have meaning to a select
>group of friends and family.
>
>
> I don't like them distracting
>other drivers from seeing me
>or my family members.
>
>It has nothing to do with
>being a non believer....which I
>am sure I am, by
>your standards.
>
>"If God did not intend for
>man to hunt animals, he
>would have made broccoli more
>fun to shoot"


Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can

 

[D13er]

It is a mexican tradition and is and has always been illegal in my area....but....they are everywhere now....

I'm with nickman....I'd remove them all
we are talking road right of ways....right??


JB

 

[nickman]

LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-11 AT 06:12AM (MST)[p] I ain't takin' water here, but I guess I should have been more clear.

A billboard is designed to be read at 65 mph.....hence the reason they are so big.

A cross, fashioned out of 2x2 wood slats and lettered with a felt marker, requires some serious focus at 30 mph, not to mention highway speed. I find myself trying to read them and I have good eyesight......in the one good eye I have remaining.

They are a distraction. I could care less about the political or religious arguments, as to the meaning of the cross's symbolism.

My sister in law, continues to replace the one she put up for my nephew 12 years ago, and the highway department continues to take it down. We argue the point and I may have won, since it has been absent for several weeks.

In our area, we have several sections of highway, officially named for fallen officers and the signs are clear, legible and legal.

I doubt that, as a 45 year volunteer fireman and a twice whacked, Vietnam disabled Veteran, that I have ANY disrespect for LEO's, or others, who have fallen in the line of duty.

Find another way to honor them......the hiway crosses are a distraction.

"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"

 

[fireball77]

Well said 1911

Man some of you guys never cease to amaze me, I think if a marker on the side of the road, is all they get for their heroic sacrifice, is the least we can do for the life that was taken.

Nickman should we also stop putting flags out, that is considered a distraction in your book.

And I thought this was America, where we HONOR the fallen.

 

[Cornhusker]

I'm with Nickman on this. Make the highway a fallen troopers highway honor them with a sign at the beginning and possibly along the way. Has nothing to do with religion but is a distraction.

 

[BuckSnort]

Distractions don't bother me much while driving but if they did I'd just ignore them and look forward and move ahead...

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[nickman]

>Well said 1911
>
>Man some of you guys never
>cease to amaze me, I
>think if a marker on
>the side of the road,
>is all they get for
>their heroic sacrifice, is the
>least we can do for
>the life that was taken.
>
>
>Nickman should we also stop putting
>flags out, that is considered
>a distraction in your book.
>
>
>And I thought this was America,
>where we HONOR the fallen.
>
>
>
>.........Clearly, you were totally unable to comprehend a single thing I said.

And we "never cease to amaze you"....that is not surprising, since it appears you could be amazed by dust motes.


"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"

 

[1911]

Really?? All billboard signs viewable from the freeway are tested by NHTSA standards for 65 mph reading? Or is this just something you pulled from your arse?....hence the reason it is so big?

So a cross made from felt pen and 2x2 wood slats is bad? Ok well you'll sure like these then. They are much larger than that and weren't manufactured with felt pen either.

With or without any red herring arguments about blight or safety, the crosses are coming down. The markers will stay in some format, some of which will still be seen from the freeway. The crosses within view of the freeway and on private property may just sit as is.


Some of you boys may want to hang up the driver's license. I'd hate to see a horrific accident result from you inability to maintain focus on the road while passing a buck in a field, hot chick with tramp stamp bent over changing a tire, glint of sunlight from the corner of a tossed natural light can, or any of the other many distractions which can be found on the roadside.

 

[fireball77]

I will take the higher road, and refrain from making you look like a bigger Douche than you already have.

 

[nickman]

Obviously that particular cross would not be what I was talking about. It is not on a freeway, not homemade and I don't see a problem with it.

You showing this particular cross, and ignoring the point of my concern, is simply for the sake of arguement.....which I no longer care to participate in.

You have some "in your face" religious, political agenda that was NEVER my issue. I don't care about either one, and quite frankly, find your hostile stand on the issue, very amusing.

Just another reason to find humor in religious zealots.

There is a difference between what is "found" along the roadside and what is deliberately "placed" along the roadside and if you can't understand the difference.....oh well.

 

[1911]

LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-11 AT 06:44PM (MST)[p]Are you insane nickman? What crosses do you suppose the OP is talking about here? Did you even read the article posted up by the OP here? This is exactly a sample of what HIS ORIGINAL POST WITH THE ASSOCIATED LINK is talking about.

If you would like I can get out the jumbo crayolas and draw you a picture. The article has nothing to do with homemade shrines that you keep bringing up. The article has EVERYTHING to do with the picture I just posted.

As it pertains to religion my friend, I never posted an opinion of my own one way or another. I commented on what the courts have and have not ruled on. I don't think your problem is as much to do with me being a religious zealot as it to do with you being a bigot.

Take some of your own advice and read before putting your foot in your mouth.

 

[ShowThemToMe]

nicky,
Lil Red's gonna whoop your ass,lol

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can

 

[rugarm77]

Everytime I am driving and see one of those things I crash my truck!! Go figure?? Some people can't do two things at once!! I must have some piss poor focus and driving skills.

1911 +10000

 

[rugarm77]

Do those things have a flashing neon sign that says must read?

 

[slickrock]

I've stopped & looked at them at the junction of 89 & 20 and north of St. George on 15. Define heros for me... they just died on a different battlefield.. godbless you troopers.

Slick


"The Road goes on forever & the Party never Ends"

 

[BuckSnort]

1911, can you please post pic of hot chick with tramp stamp changing tire?....

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