Ok so I pilfered enough $ without wifely knowledge to get the k+k shorty tripod. Went to S/W and took my bogen and big scope set up on the floor and looked at sales girls... I mean sales signs thru both. Tapped on the k+k and it wiggled all over while the bogen was like a rock. And this was on concrete not at treeline with a stiff wind. I left without the tripod resigned to carry this heavy weight thing up hill and down on my sheep hunt. Has any one had this experience besides me? I just couldn't justify 300 for an unstable tripod- although the weight was great- about 1/2 the bogen's. I checked out a couple carbon fiber tiny little things for even more money but they weren't big enough to use sitting up which for me means they aren't going to be used as lying down isn't comfy for long periods of time. Any advice would be helpful- the scope is a swaro 20-60x80.