Idaho controlled hunt drawings

[WSF]

Could someone explain just how nonresident applicants are drawn.
I've noticed on some units there may be as many nonresidents as there are residents
that apply but no residents were drawn. The odds would say one nonres. probably should have been drawn.
I understand nonresident tags can't exceed 10%.
Seems like they can't draw the units individually or the 10% quota could be reached before all units were drawn.

 

[deepforks]

call f&g.

 

[backcountryID]

Nonresidents can draw up to 10% of the tags for a hunt. If ten or less tags for a hunt, nonresidents can draw one tag. No requirement that any nonresidents be drawn.

 

[WSF]

I called f&g got about three answers.
I stated that I understand nonres. can't exceed 10%
For instance Mtn Goat
21 units and 51 tags total
5 did go to nonres.
If they drew the units individually in theory the first five units could each draw one nonres and the overall quota would be done before the other units were even drawn.
It seems like they almost would have to pull all nonres. applicants from units out of the same hat and if the quota hasn't been filled overall or per that unit your successful.
I don't have a complaint.
Just curious if anyone knows.

 

[lonetree]

Nonresidents can draw up to, but not guaranteed, 10% of the tags.

 

[tlake]

Everyone's name is drawn from the same pool. It is possible that the quota for the number of tags could be met before a nonres name is drawn. Nonres have the same chance of being drawn as residents until the 10% quota of nonres is met. Of course then if a nonres is drawn his name is thrown out.

 

[WSF]

Thanks tlake,

I'm just trying to figure out what the true odds are for my brother(nonres.)
The true odds for a nonres are not actually just from the number of applicants in the
unit that he applies in if I understand it correctly.

wsf

 

[BPKHunter]

>>The true odds for a nonres
>are not actually just from
>the number of applicants in
>the
>unit that he applies in if
>I understand it correctly.
>
>wsf


No I do NOT believe that to be true. Each hunt number is a seperate draw. For each draw, the NR can get up to 10%, but are not guaranteed anything. For hunts with less than 10 tags the limit is 1.

Remember if you put in for a party and a resident puts in with a NR, then if the NR 10% cap is met all others will be excluded including the resident portion of the party application.

I see quite a few complaints from NR's about the cap, but when I look at the draw numbers I very rarely see where NR's don't get their 10%. It's the law of large numbers and in the long run average out.

 

[nitis]

The bad part for non res is you really only have a chance at your first choice and you have to buy a license in order to try for that first choice and then you see where no non residents get that hunt that is what irkes people.

For instance there is a certain are I would like to draw and it has both a late and early hunt both are a draw. The late hunt only has a handful of tags where the early has about lots more. But if I apply for the late hunt which would be a dream then there is no guarantee that any nonresidents will draw this tag and I have no shot at getting my second choice and I just wasted $200

more states need to take a lesson from Nevada

 

[Muleymemories]

>Everyone's name is drawn from the
>same pool. It is possible
>that the quota for the
>number of tags could be
>met before a nonres name
>is drawn. Nonres have the
>same chance of being drawn
>as residents until the
>10% quota of nonres is
>met. Of course then if
>a nonres is drawn his
>name is thrown out.

Right on the money. Nonres and res in the same pool. nonres can draw up to 10% of the tags, but not guarnateed. Once the quota of 10% is met, the rest of the tags go to res. If 100 tags are given for a particular unit then nonres can draw anywhere from 0 to 10 tags. Make since? So, its really difficult to figure out what your draw odds might be for any particular unit. Some years nonresident never draw a single tag in any given unit and others are drawn for the full 10%. Kinda goofy huh?


ridgeline outdoors

 

[BPKHunter]

NITIS we have seen your argument before. Let's see some pics of these great Nevada bucks you are killing.

 

[treedagain]

+1 nitis....Nevada can teach idaho a lesson in alot of things

 

[brdhuntr]

Just out of curiosity name a few....

 

[orion23]

Nitis, not saying idaho is the gold standard by any means but residents dont really have a chance for their second choice either. its not just the NR's.

I hear you tho, i see where it would be frusterating unless your going to hunt the general season anyway.

Travis
www.RidgelineOutdoors.com

 

[leonard]

Yeah, I would like to hear too about how great the NV opportunities are, and how ID could learn from NV. I have friends that apply for 15 to 20 years and never draw a bull tag as a resident in average units. Getting a deer tag in any of the better units is at least 5 years out. The more I read about the ID system is seems like a good option for non-residents.

 

[muleymaiden]

Idaho has the fairest draw out of any state.Everybody has the same chance every single year.Of course non-residents dont after the 10% rule but you can always become a resident if you dont like that.There are ways around that though and its the landowner tags.Idaho only claims to be fair but allows those that PURCHASE these tags to hunt some of the best units in the state year after year without waiting the year in between like the public draws have to.Tell me how the F&G allow this to happen and say their fair to everyone.Its total bull****!

 

[nitis]

The reason I think Nevada is better for Non Residents..

The cost is about the same to apply each year

But in Nevada you actually have a chance to draw any one of 5 tags! Maning you can put in for that hunt that only has 1 or 2 tags as a first choice and still put a hunt with 50-60 tags as your fifth choice. Who knows maybe you will get lucky.


In Idaho you shell out roughly the same amount of money but if you try for the hunt that has a Maximum of 1-2 non resident tags you have to put that as your first choice and then there is no guarantee that any non resident will draw it.

Also even though Nevada has a point system you can go in with no points and go up against someone with 20 and draw the same tag they wanted over tham sucks for them but it is pretty fair.

My main thing is you can try for more than one hunt and have a legit chance.

Yes Idaho has some great opportunities for general hunts but just because I apply for a controlled hunt in Idaho does not mean I want to go on a general hunt there I have other balls in the air ther states to hunt its not all about Idaho

 

[orion23]

i live in idaho and i have to agree with ya Nitis.

I do like the way the NV draw is and if i was a NR i probably wouldnt apply in idaho the way the herds are now. I dont think your alone either. Idaho cant hardly sell any tags to NR's.

Travis
www.RidgelineOutdoors.com

 

[BPKHunter]

Nevada's system is all a shell game. Here it is simple, you don't get your first choice then you get a general tag and have half the state to actually go hunt in. That is the basis of our system. In Nevada if you don't draw your first choice you get other crappy opportunities to draw and then in the end don't get to hunt at all. 100% is much better than 20%.

Now if you are the guy that puts in for 10 states a year with hunts that ave 10% draw odd's then you don't like Idaho because you don't get 1% closer each year due to your BP. It's all marketing. Personally I like Wyoming's system because you get to hunt every couple of years, but that is also driven by the amount of game. Nevada just doesn't even have many tags, it just makes you feel like you have all these opportunities, so it promotes that many more people to put in, actually making it that much harder to actually draw.

I have stated before, while I don't prefer BP for residents for multiple reasons, if it makes the NR's feel better then I think one for them should be implemented as long as it doesn't impact my draw odd's.

 

[nitis]

I know lots of people who are more than content with hunting Idaho every yer regardless of if they draw a tag or not and that is fine it works for them. I just feel that by making you invest so much money to try and draw is crap.

I may go on an OTC hunt someday in Idaho but if I do I am not going to know that I will be going until maybe a month prior so will not have made the initial investment in May.

As far as Nevada goes will I ever draw that hunt that only has a couple of tags maybe not but I have a chance and it does not prevent me from hunting other really good units that are much better than an Idaho General hunt and are also alot closer to home too.

I would really like to hunt Idaho someday in a few units spefically but will probably consider a general hunt there too when everything else falls through.

To be honest I really cant afford a big out of state trip every year with the young family so I leave it up to when I do draw a tag to decide I am going or not.

Also of the handful of states I apply for none of them are perfect there are lots of hunts here in california that my kids will probably never ever have a chance to draw because of our crappy system.

As for Idaho I just cant get over how much money they are leaving on the table each year. If they did have a point system they would get lots more applicants but they are so short sighted that in the bonus point proposal they had an additional fee above and beyond what people are already paying in order to get a bonus point. They are going to have to do something if they dont start selling all those GENERAL TAGS

 

[brdhuntr]

If you spend much time hunting in Ca. you could take all that gas money and buy a general tag in Idaho,and have alot better success rate,and a better experience! And NO i hope we never go to a point system!!!

 

[BPKHunter]

When I looked at the success% and %of 4pt success on those lesser Nevada hunts it didn't strike me that they are any better than Idaho's general hunts, once you get to know some areas.

Let me say that a lot of my point of view is probably due to the fact that I never hunted any state other than Calif until I was 37 years old, and that was because I moved to IDAHO. With 8 seasons under my belt, I now get why many native Idahoans complain about the difference between today and back in the early 90's and before quality wise. But, given my hunting experiences growing up in Calif, I am VERY grateful of what I get year in and year out.

You mentioned your young family. Idaho has an amazing deal for Youth here. We don't have a ton of awesome youth hunts, but the costs are the same as buying a resident tag and the opportunity to take game is almost assured if you can hunt at all. I will also ask you to look at the disadvantage your kids will be in when they start putting into a draw at say 12 when everyone else has that big lead. How fair is it when 12-16 year olds don't get the opportunity that some rich old fart get's who can afford to hire a tag service to put in for every state in the union, plus Canada.