162 to 164. This ram is too thin and too short to make 170. He shows a ton of potential, however, and deserves another 4 to 5 years to reach his max. Of course, that's always easier to say if you already have a bighorn or two under your belt. If this was a first ram, and a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and the ram was legal, I'd take him. Pretty ram.