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Why are there always idiots mucking things up for the rest of us, and why are there idiots that always make stupid decisions to try to cope with the other idiots????????

Wintering Elk May Need More Closures
By SCOTT SANDSBERRY
YAKIMA HERALD-REPUBLIC


It's probably not going to happen for another year ? if at all ? but Yakima area game managers and wildlife biologists are considering limited closures in areas used for forage by wintering elk.

The plan, should it ultimately be instituted, would be designed to protect elk from overly aggressive "shed hunters" ? collectors of antlers dropped by the animals during January and February.

It wouldn't be designed to deny access to the horseback riders, motorcyclists, shooters or mountain bikers ? but that's just what it could do. And officials know those user groups aren't likely to welcome prospective closures, a sentiment that would almost certainly become obvious during the public-review process that would precede any such closures.

"Everybody will have their say and everybody will likely say 'We don't support it,' except maybe the hunters who want to be able to see those elk reside out in that area," said Lee Stream, regional wildlife director for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

Ironically, Stream said, the success of one program designed to bolster the health and population of Yakima elk herds has heightened interest in shed hunting. In 1994, the Yakima and
Colockum herds had dwindling numbers of mature bulls ? the kind with the sort of branch antlers coveted by collectors ? so general hunting rules prohibited hunting those bulls.

The strategy worked. Now there are more mature bulls ? and more shed hunters.

"Now we've got a lot more branched-antler bulls out there, and more bulls, period," Stream said. "We've created a new recreation sport, just de facto, by doing this."

And practitioners of that sport can go too far.

So says Rob Cavanaugh, an Olympia man who has long hunted in the Yakima area and closely monitors wildlife issues around the state. Two years ago, Cavanaugh said, friends of his saw a private airplane swooping low over a herd of wintering elk, prompting the elk to run. A man on an ATV ? presumably working in concert with the pilot ? was then coming by to pick up any antlers dropped by the elk.

Rance Block, a Spokane-area regional vice-president with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, wasn't too surprised to hear that tale.

"You would hear horror stories you wouldn't believe from agencies around the country," Block said. "There have been situations near Jackson Hole (Wyoming) where people have run elk with snowmobiles into wire strands that (the snowmobilers) have crossed, with the idea that the elk will run into them and drop their antlers."

To prevent just that kind of activity, Oak Creek Wildlife Area manager John McGowan instituted winter closures in the areas nearest the Oak Creek elk-feeding stations. Now game managers are considering similar closures ? probably involving the areas surrounding elk-feeding sites at West Valley, Cowiche, Mellotte (Wenas) and Joe Watt and Robinson canyons.

It's also possible that an L.T. Murray/Wenas closure might entail everything from the Yakima River to the Ellensburg-Wenas crossover road.

And that would be fine with Cavanaugh, who has asked the state wildlife commission in writing to close several east-side wildlife areas ? including L.T. Murray/Wenas ? annually from Jan. 1 through May 1, just to protect the wintering elk.

"It would create a problem for me because I'm a turkey hunter, and it means I can't go up there if that particular spot is closed until the first of May," Cavenaugh said. "But I'm willing to do that if it's for the betterment of the elk."

If it happens, it won't be unique.

Yakima region wildlife biologist Jeff Bernatowicz checked to see what kind of state, federal and local closures were used to protect wintering elk in four other Western states with elk and deer populations ? Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Wyoming.

Each state had more wide-ranging closures than Washington has, Bernatowicz said.

"In most cases, if it's state land, the areas are closed outright (during winter)," he said. "My take on this is that the density of people in Wyoming and Montana is something along the lines of six per square mile; in Washington, we have 90 per square mile. They're saying we see a problem here, yet with our density in Washington, we're saying we don't see a problem yet.

"Somebody's obviously right and somebody's obviously wrong. Either they see a need that isn't there or we're way behind on things."

McGowan, who said he'd like to see closures with a consistent start and end date to minimize confusion for winter recreationists, said he knows many within the various user groups will be unhappy with any closures mandated by the WDFW.

He knows that from personal experience after winter closures began at Oak Creek. He says he took "a pretty good filleting" when he attended a meeting of snowmobilers over the issue.

But he wasn't about to back down from his belief that some winter recreation would simply have to take a back seat to the health of the elk herds.

"Nobody else is going to speak up for wildlife if we don't," he said.

"These animals have to stay out there, so every time (humans) move them, they're impacting them, because (the animals') critical energy reserves are low, especially late in the season.

"That's what people have to realize. They have to take their blinders off to their own little special-interest need."
 
as usual, it only takes one bad apple to ruin the whole bushel...

better get ready for all those closures...things have been closed seasonally that way around here for more than 10 years.
 
The sad thing is that the closures don't work very well. The a holes still are out on the winter range. Closures are an easy way to avoid lack of enforcment of the curent gane harresment laws. Sounds a lot like the argunments for gun control.

Antlerradar
 
I don't understand their reasoning. Just last year the WA gamies wanted to reduce the Yakima herd by 2000 animals. They claim there are too many elk, you'd think they'd welcome the horn hunters. If the herd is increasing and causing landowner's in the range to have problems, then why the worry about people horn hunting?
Anyway, those restrictions only keep out the law-abiding people. The Joe Watt area has been restricted access in the spring, but people still get in there and stash or carry out antlers. There are only a few game cops to cover vast areas. Enforcement should also be in their plans.
 
antlerrader, I agree with you totally. People are going to get in there no matter what. This is just an excuse to save money and cut back on the supervision of the areas. On a side note, I am being told that the local gamies are pushing to get the LT Murray closed due to all the garbage dumping going on.
 
cascade....I agree people are gonna go in there no matter what, but not nearly as many. I don't think their only excuse for doing it though, is to save money on supervision in the areas. They'll still have to supervise and patrol the areas. I think they should close these areas, and the LT Murray also. It's the people who abuse it's own damn fault. It's unbelievable how much garbage you find up there.

I don't know enough about the rights of either side to have TOO strong of an opinion either way, but it seems like the F&G are just trying to help the elk herds, and that I'll never argue against.

Bone....what's your take on the situation? That's pretty much in your backyard ain't it? Has it been pretty bad around there?
 
I think its boguss. The areas that were mentioned in the article are pretty much shutdown already I thought, so it makes me wonder where else they are going to shutdown. As an avid shed hunter, I am out there hiking my butt off. The elk rarely spook, and most just move aside. I am not chasing them however. Stupid people do stupid things that ruin it for everyone. Same ole' same ole'. Just like the anti gun folks though, the rules only apply to those that follow them, and those that are chasing elk with their four wheelers, dumping garbage etc. are already breaking the rules in the first place, so why would they follow them now. It just gives them more free roam of the area while the law abidders sit at home and watch TV. They now have all of this land to themselves. I also wonder what the game department is thinking. All they do is advertise how the elk are overpopulating, and that they are causing so much damage down low. I also watched an airplane dive bombing the elk trying to scatter them. I sat and watched with my scope for the longest time and was fuming mad. I thought it was some antler hunter harrassing the spring elk. It was the game department themselves trying to push the game back or break up the herds. Gee, and they blame the shed antler hunters for some of the same thing. Now we pay them to do it.
Not very happy about it.
 
IMHO....Bottom line is that they (government)would like to close down all public lands to everyone! Each year they close more and more..when is enough, enough? These lands are supposed to be for "multiple use". If they close more ground to shed hunters,etc., that won't be enough...then they'll close it for an extended length of time because of calving season or some other excuse? Maybe for the salamander or the Yellow Bellied Blue Billed whatever bird? I like road closures and believe they do have a place in managing our forests BUT it just doesn't seem to stop? I use a quad sometimes for hornin when I can...which is not very much anymore. What I have personally noticed using the quad is that I spook LESS game while on the quad than I do on foot...HOWEVER, I go slow, 1st or 2nd gear, go aways,stop,glass, slowly move on. I've noticed that if I'm going about 15mi/hr or less the quad doesn't seem to bother game. Start going much faster than that then the game gets spooky. I've seen more game get scattered by a guy on foot with his damn dog than any quad. Another thing I feel strongly about is that in certain areas the snow machines are allowed "winter access" to restricted areas? The reasoning is that the snow machines won't leave a footprint because of the snow. Those snow machines blasting around in the deep snow will cause more harm to wintering game than just about anything I can think of? Why close an area to motorized traffic to "reduce wildlife disturbance" and let the snow machines have access? I believe there has to be a happy medium....places open to motor vehicles...places closed to motor vehicles. There is sooo much closed already and there seems to be no end in sight? Th best way to hunt horn is on foot (thank god)so the use of machines isn't THAT important to me but I do like to use them from time to time. I use a quad, a mountain bike for behind the gates, and my feet. I've thought about getting a horse but if I did....they'd soon close all the areas to horses because their poop isn't native to the area or some BS like that. Soon they'll kick out the hikers because the soles of your shoes are made from a petroleum product and the residue could harm the natural dirt in the area and the signs will read "barefoot hiking only". They are kicking us out of OUR public land so you'd better enjoy it now while you can. I don't believe there's much you can do about it either....I've been to the public meetings,signed petitions,etc. and that is just a formality they go through to make it legal. They're gonna close it all anyways. JMHO.....
 

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