Golden State Killer

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http://beta.nydailynews.com/news/crime/golden-state-killer-finally-caught-article-1.3954129

They caught him. They say he was a Police Officer yet was fired shortly after being hired for shoplifting a Hammer & Dog Repellent.

He was former Navy. This is the Real- BOOGIEMAN. He'd knock on your door and take over the Husband & Wife. Ties up Husband and places dishes on his back. Husband laying Prone and tied up. He said if he hears the Dishes he shall Kill both Husband & Wife. He Rapes the Wife.

In the 1970's there was no DNA ( Per-Say ). Read up on the things he did. 150+ Burglaries. 50+ Rapes. 12+ Murders. As he was so casual in his attacks.

He is age 72 and just retired as a Diesel Mechanic for Save Mart Grocery stores. Crazy, Crazy, Crazy...

Jagerdad
 
I'm glad they caught him of course. It's just too bad justice won't be served, if convicted.

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>I wonder why he stopped.
>These guys usually don't stop
>themselves.

Couldn't afford the blue pills?


#livelikezac
 
I heard that they caught him because they used the Ancestry.com or 23 and me website to find relatives and went from there.

I had just moved here in Kali when he had left and moved down south to pursue his deadly deeds.

We of course had a gun ready for him as we lived just blocks from where he raped in Pleasant Hill. The police in the area of Pleasant Hill and Concord were telling the people to arm themselves.

I thought it would be like the Zodiac Killer and never found this is great they caught him.
 
I don't know what evidence they used to catch him but I know if you give any DNA to any of those advertised family tree DNA companies YOU ARE GIVING A DNA SAMPLE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. They have admitted such. They're DNA database is so extensive now they actually can project hypothetical DNA sequences for people who have not given DNA samples to anyone with about %95 accuracy. They have already used these projected sequences to arrest people. Some of those people were found later to be innocent of the crimes the government was accusing them of.
 
Tristate do you have a valid source of information concerning being found innocent later after conviction on DNA evidence?
They can use a DNA sample from a relative to get a "REASONABLE" source that the suspect may be related to the person that gave a DNA sample. In most courts that is not sufficient for an arrest warrant. May be sufficient for obtaining a search warrant to obtain a DNA sample from the possible suspect for a better test to rule the suspect is the one they want or is not the suspect that left a DNA sample at the crime scene.

In this case in Sacramento they got a possible lead from the ancestry site leading towards the arrested suspect. They then kept him under surveillance and when he discarded DNA evidence, they retrieved it and had it tested and it showed he was the suspect that left DNA evidence in several rape-homicide cases. So far they have not said what the discarded DNA evidence was. Could have been a cigarette butt, or fast food drink cup or if he spit on the sidewalk.

RELH
 
All right, do you have a valid source that shows someone was arrested based on DNA evidence and later they were shown to be innocent of the crime they were charged with?

Very simple question.

RELH
 
I was first on the scene of a tool trailer that was broken into and cleaned out. When the police showed up and did the report we had footprints in the dry ground with wind on the way. We told them to take pictures of the footprints, they waited until the wind blew them away. They did all of their standard forensics and then asked me to submit to a DNA sample, I told them to pound sand. They were shocked I would not submit to a DNA sample. Why do I want my DNA in a database? I may go to a place a crime is committed after I've been there and My DNA is at the scene and suddenly I'm a Suspect. Fuk em!




#livelikezac
 
They would still have to show your DNA tied you into doing the crime instead of just showing you were at the scene one time or another. DNA is no different then a fingerprint being left at a crime scene.
I could care less if my DNA is in a data bank just like my fingerprints are when I went into the military and law enforcement.
DNA has solved hundreds, maybe thousands of cold cases involving rapes and homicides. I put a serial killer away in prison on a rape of a minor. He had to give a DNA sample and they nailed his butt on a 16 year old rape-homicide involving a 14 year old girl in the Sacramento, CA. area. We tied him in to about 12 homicide cases that were years old in other jurisdictions, but due to lack of any DNA on those cases, he was never tried for them. He will die in prison on the case we made him.

RELH
 
Okydoky. I do not know the person's name but it was a college student in Louisiana was arrested for a homicide in Idaho. The students parents had given their DNA to a Family tree company for heritage results. Officers arrested the college kid and while they were waiting on his true DNA profile they spent the next couple of weeks dismantling and ruining his life. It was really neat to see the circumstantial case they were putting together. The kid is dam lucky to not be rotting in a prison somewhere. After he was finally cleared he had to leave the college he had been attending. On the bright side the Federal government had to admit finally they were buying DNA profiles from ancestry companies and then making hypothetical profiles for Citizens that they don't have profiles for.


I know DNA can serve a really good purpose. But DNA EVIDENCE CAN BE ABUSED AND MISUSED. Relh what do you think the Nazis would have done with DNA profiling? Did you know the Nazis were trying to compile scent profiles of every German? Its the truth. They had millions of air tight jars with small pieces of property, mostly cloth, that held people's scent. When they were trying to find you they gave the scent to the dogs. THEY WERE AMAZINGLY EFFECTIVE. Power like that is dam dangerous RELH.
 
I have never heard of the case you mention and do not know if it is true. Based on what you said about the case, the arrest was a illegal arrest based on insufficient cause for arrest. That leaves the kid with a very strong civil case for a false arrest and should get him several million for a false arrest.
Another case in Oregon led to a possible suspect and the cops collected a DNA sample from the person of interest and that DNA sample ruled him and his family members out as a possible suspect. Other words it showed he was innocent and no longer a possible suspect. No arrest was made in that case while they awaited the results of the DNA sample taken from the person of interest.

Just because some local cops got over eager to make an arrest, does not take away from the value of DNA evidence. In fact DNA evidence has led to several cases of wrong fully convicted persons being released from prison by showing they did not commit the crime they were convicted of by witness identification.

We are not dealing with the Nazi regime, unless you are saying that our law enforcement are Nazis.

RELH
 
I am not nocking the value of DNA. Just like I am not nocking the value of a side arm for officers. But the fact is both can and are abused.

As for whether we are living under a Nazi regime we both know we aren't. But it doesn't take Nazis to do extreme attrocities to a citizenry. Did you know that before world war II and under the pressures of the great depression American politicians were openly discussing and campaigning under eugenics. Luckily we chose a different direction than Germany. But that was our ancestors. You have people right here that call for jailing rich people and killing climate deniers. Those are Americans. They may not be who has power now but they could have power in a decade. And you gave them all the power they need to turn any group they want to into a scape goat.

Here's another hypothetical. Government controlled healthcare is Nationwide. They have everyone's DNA also. Suddenly they start profiling for diseases and mutations. Suddenly certian people get denied treatment or maybe even forced abortions because of high risk patterns in their DNA. Maybe you get told you won't get healthcare if you reproduce because you and your wife are high risk genetically to produce kids that will cost the government health system to much money????????

Good thing the government knows everything about you. Knowledge without privacy is control.
 
That is the reason we have checks and balance with our three government branches. To keep one branch from overstepping their power on the people. Hopefully generations coming up will be smart enough to make sure those checks and balance are maintained for the good of the people.

RELH
 
Checks and balances are great, I'll keep my DNA out of the database as long as possible, it's bad enough they got my fingerprints. That's my check and balance.



#livelikezac
 
You don't get it RELH. They overstepped their power by making Federal DNA database of millions of people who never agreed or new it was happening. Why do you think they did it in secret? Because they knew what they were doing was shameful.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-28-18 AT 09:47PM (MST)[p]That is where you and I will differ. I have no problem with them collecting the DNA data as I have no problem with them having the fingerprints on file in a crime center computer.

I am not worried as I do not plan to commit crimes where my DNA and fingerprints will cause me to be caught.

DNA just like fingerprints is a major crime buster and will solve a lot more cases in the future. It will do far more good then bad. It has shown many persons to be innocent of a crime that they were suspected of mostly due to bad witness identification.

In just about any brutal homicide, the suspect has a very good chance of leaving his DNA behind to point the finger to him. It can be blood, saliva, hair, skin cells from the hand, semen in rape cases.

It is the best tool out there to find and convict serial killers that have escaped being discovered and arrested.

If you do not like it, don't use any DNA ancestor search site, and hope no immediate family members will use the site. I do not always trust my government, but some of you go a little overboard about the black helicopters coming to get you.

Also you are forgetting that when a person submitted their saliva for DNA to find out about their ancestry, they pretty well gave up their rights to privacy to a site that mostly shares their family history. It is like a person demanding privacy rights when he made a statement to person #A and person #B and #C are in the same room.

RELH
 
Both Ancestry.com and 23andme make promises that they won't release your DNA information without a warrant. Neither of these was involved in catching the Golden State Killer.The site used was GEDmatch that made no such promise.

No judge so far will issue a warrant for a blind search of four million people. Law enforcement would have to have a specific person and reason to get a warrant. This would be the same as a judge issuing a warrant for the collection of DNA from every man, woman and child in the State of Utah. A clear invasion of privacy.

There are many DNA sites out there now that aren't private. Criminal, military, religious, medical research and others.
 
And then there is always the chance that the cops will plant your DNA at a crime scene like Mark Furman did with OJ Simpson.:)

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I know you are fine with it relh. You are fine with it because you don't commit horrible crimes. Lots of folks were fine with Nazis loading Jews on trains because they weren't Jews. At some point you need to look past what you are comfortable accepting and start thinking about the future of your fellow man.
 
Tristate is right to a degree. Just look at how Christians are being hated in America over the past 10 years. There is a ground swell of people who would not bat an eye if conservative Christians were marched off to the showers.

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24, and her 4-year-old son Donald Wicht, were found dead in her Simi Valley apartment on Nov. 11, 1978. (Simi Valley Police)

Golden State Killer suspect Joseph DeAngelo is being looked at in the 1978 deaths of 24-year-old Rhonda Wicht and her 4-year-old son Donald, CBS Los Angeles reports.

?We?ve made a request for a DNA comparison to find out if the DNA they recovered from Mr. DeAngelo is consistent with the DNA that we have in our case,? Simi Valley Deputy Chief Joseph May told the TV station.

DeAngelo, now 72, was arrested last week on suspicion of being the serial killer and rapist who terrorized California in the 1970s and ?80s.

?It's within the realm of possibility that he could be a suspect in our case,? May said.

Wicht was raped and strangled and her son was smothered in his sleep, NBC San Diego reports.

?Even if the DNA is not a match, the Golden State Killer case is one that gives us hope that if we keep working it, we will one day solve our case,? Simi Valley Police Chief David Livingstone told the station.

Craig Coley, now 70, described in reports as Wicht's ex-boyfriend, was convicted in the killings but released from prison last fall after DNA evidence cleared him.
 
Relh,

If every vagina in America was required to have a tiny camera mounted on it would you be backing that to? I'm sure many more perverts would be convicted. I'm sure plenty of accused innocent rapists would be set free. It would be great for the criminal Justice system so who cares if your loved ones vaginas get treated like public property. Maybe all you have to prove is at one time if they ever were on the internet they no longer have any expectation of privacy.
 
Tristate you are so far out there with the conspiracy theories, I am sure you are seeing the black helicopters circling your residence everyday. It either that or you are a half a$$ outlaw that fears you are going to get caught sooner or later. You need help in a big way. Have a good day as I am finished arguing with a out right nut case.

RELH
 
Relh, I believe in the core freedoms and rights which founded America. One of those principals is private ownership. What you don't understand is privacy is fundamental to ownership. Most people think of ownership only in terms of physical property but in fact ownership includes intellectual and biological property. When a government of any type decides they have a right to those things YOU ARR NO LONGER A FREE MAN. Every government in history and currently have justified stripping of propoerty ownership and freedom for the safety of the greater public. Repeatedly fools have relinquished their own freedom just as you do for the temporary feeling of security a government provides them. Thiss the reason our nation has a fifth amendment. The fact that the thoughts of anyone EVEN A CRIMINAL, can remain as his or her property and can not be forced from them even to gain a conviction which benefits the greater good of the citizenry. The fact that you RELH forget this is a scary indicator of how deteriorated our citizenry has become. JUST AS THE DESIGN PLANS FOR A BUILDING ARE INTELLECTUAL PRIVATE PROPERTY SO ARE THE DESIGN PLANS FOR ME. My DNA code is intellectual property that I, and all people, even the accused, am entitled at birth to. Now like most government subjects you decide to paint me as a would be criminal when you realize you have prostituted your liberties and even the liberties and freedom of all you hold dear just to convict people. That is the defense of the ashamed.
 
>We disagree tristate. I don't think
>your DNA is intellectual property
>at all. Just couldn't resist.
>
>
>Rich


Haha good one Rich!

Let's get one thing VERY STRAIGHT if this guy is in fact the guy who committed all these horrible acts of evil and terrible crimes then he should pay to the fullest and rot in hell!

The Detectives, Police, and Forensics units within whatever agency could never just act on a hunch to take the guy into custody. There has to be some reason or something that linked him to one or more of these crimes.
 
Tri, I think we all understand your point, but slow down, take a deep breath and relax...:). And we still have our guns.

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After reading what RELH said about semen I can see why DW doesn't want his DNA out there. Eeeeewwww :)

RELH, for someone who has no faith in our DOJ or FBI you sure are willing to give your soul to law enforcement.
 
>After reading what RELH said about
> semen
>I can see why DW
>doesn't want his DNA out
>there. Eeeeewwww :)
>
>RELH, for someone who has no
>faith in our DOJ or
>FBI you sure are willing
>to give your soul to
>law enforcement.

Was actually kind of the scenario I was thinking of NV. The scenario is my DNA is in the database, I pick a girl up at the bar take her to her place do the deed and leave. She goes to sleep 2 hours later someone breaks into her house robs her and kills her, his DNA is not in the database. Who is suspect number one? I'll keep my DNA out of the database as long as possible.

#livelikezac
 
DW there are actually cases where you and the girl don't have to "do the deed". They collect DNA now from hairs and skin cells. They actually have cases now where officers shake hands with a witness when doing interviews on or near a scene. Then the officer goes to the scene and touches something for instance a car or a shovel. Next thing you know the interviewee is placed at the scene of the crime because the officer accidentally placed his DNA there.

So DW lets try a different scenario. DW walks down the street from his house because he sees flashy lights. A detective greets him by shaking his hand. Asks him some routine questions like "Did you know the couple that lived in this house"? Then the officer goes and pics up the crow bar that was used to beat a woman to death. Now DW your DNA is placed on a murder weapon in another person's house. At the trial DA's paint a giant circumstantial case of you in a wild out of control love triangle. Trust me they can do it. They'll find porn on your computer. Evidence you called her house a couple of times. You know the call was about her dog crapping in your yard but they don't. A co-worker will say she knows the victim was having an affair with someone but they don't know who. A neighbor that saw a car just like yours near the scene. And the cherry on the sunday will be your DNA on the murder weapon. See you in 25 years slick. Its already happened more than once.
 
That's just crazy Tri. I was with DW at the time of the murder. And no, I won't take a lie detector test.

Once they find out the cop picked up the crow bar with his bare hand, the evidence is contaminated and useless.

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This talk about getting pinched reminds me of a story a friend told me. No DNA involved but still a cool story.
My friend was driving to work early in the morning, about 2am. He noticed a body in the bar ditch, stops and calls the police. The dead person was a woman and there was no obvious signs of death, maybe that she was dumped there and not involved in an accident. The detective took him to the police station and interrogated him for 4 hours. He said the questions were tricky and he got real scared. At the end, the detective said he believed him but there are a lot of people that find bodies that are the actual killer. He made up his mind he was never going to report a body ever again. Two years later, almost the same circumstances, he found what he thought was a body on the side of the road early on morning. He passed it and thought for a minute to keep going, but decided to go back knowing he would probably be held longer this time. It ended up being a mannequin.
 
As far as I know you are still protected but these days who knows. All the results are handled and shared electronically so I am sure the government has hacked it and has all that to. ;)
 
U.S. Constitution ? Fourth Amendment

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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The Fourth Amendment originally enforced the notion that ?each man?s home is his castle?, secure from unreasonable searches and seizures of property by the government. It protects against arbitrary arrests, and is the basis of the law regarding search warrants, stop-and-frisk, safety inspections, wiretaps, and other forms of surveillance, as well as being central to many other criminal law topics and to privacy law.

The below is a must read if you wish to understand better:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fourth_amendment

Jagerdad
 
As far as I know you are still protected but these days who knows. All the results are handled and shared electronically so I am sure the government has hacked it and has all that to. ;)

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Yes you are probably right about that and you can thank the Obama administration and their loyal Democrats in the intelligence Div. for doing it. Just be glad that Hillary was not elected as she would have carried it even further behind the scene.

RELH
 
"PLUS NOW".... if YOU answer your Phone to an unknown number, the caller ( Computer ) has AI ( Artificial Intelligence ) which "SEEKS" Your Real Voice. If you speak, it records your voice and will use words like "YES" to BUILD a "new call" ( Mocking your real Phone Number ) [ Spoofing ] to Social Security to tell them your new address and you need your Card sent there or, The HISTORY of your voice is stored until they ( IT ) can gather enough words from your mouth so IT can build your Language + TRUE VOICE to make Many calls.

I feel TRI is correct... that's a statement many will never make.

All of us are being targeted, especially those in rural areas where TRUST is everywhere. Those are the easy sample targets before the COMPUTER aims at City Folks whom Never Talk to Strangers. Even their own Children.

DW is SMART and highly correct. Folks here do not read well. I understand such. This is why I posted the 4th Amendment and had hopes some would Read it and come back to leave a comment/reply.

Where is Overton...? Eel insofar as having read the page on the 4th Amendment...? What about Elk, Homer, and far more of you whom read this Post yet get gun shy about making YOUR OWN REPLY/POST...? Don't ever be shy on this topic or we are ALL DOOMED.

Neophyte Jagerdad
 
I tell you just how some of those ancestry data bases have no confidentially at all. Just the other day I was talking to a male friend whose wife is a distance relation to my family line.
He submitted a saliva sample to one of the ancestry sites to find his ancestor line. They replied back to him by giving him the names of five persons he was related too and their cities of residence. He recognized 4 of the names as being related to him and not the fifth person who was female. Did not think much of it until a year later when that female contacted him. she lived about 75 miles away from him.

She had submitted to same ancestry site for a DNA test to find her biological parents as she was adopted at birth. Turns out my friend had a cousin who gave birth to a baby girl and gave her up for adoption without my friend not even knowing she had a child.

There is no way you can expect privacy being protected by ancestry sites that will give out that form of information when you submit your saliva sample for DNA testing.

RELH
 
REHL, For the first time, I feel I need....Yes Need, to buy a Knife or two from you.

My SON { A Sheriff } is getting Married in a week and my Daughter is getting Married in November.

Both Children are major Big Game Hunters yet, now in Careers, their Time & Money is gone.

REHL, Send me a PM... Not simply your Face Book Page so I may chat with You about the above. My Children, if, given such a Knife, from YOU, would/will drive to you and look you in the eye. That is far better than DNA stuff. It is face to face relationships.

Jagerdad :)
 
Relh,

I understand your point. If you voluntarily give a sample to an ancestry sight knowing that they are going to distribute your biologic information to others there is no recourse. However if you give the DNA with the understanding it is to remain private then that is how it must stay.

The big problem I have is the government is compiling the DNA data for individuals and then making "hypothetical" genome sequences for unknown relatives and using that against people. Then those people have to give their DNA to clear themselves, and guess what, then the government has forced you to give them your DNA.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-01-18 AT 07:53PM (MST)[p]The only way they could force DNA from someone is through a search warrant which requires probable cause to believe a crime has been committed.

Many cases in the past where a murder victim has multiple persons DNA on their person. Think of a prostitute. Multiple DNA and usually one person did the killing. Not everyone is charged with murder. Many rape cases where there is multiple DNA present. Some of the DNA consented to, others not so much.

DNA has freed more people than any other investigative method. I know it makes great conspiracy theories. Find a book called picking cotton and read it. Witness identification has a lot more holes in it than DNA.

Watch out for the black helicopters.

Rich
 

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