Get off of all your high horses. I am a gun hunter and am capable of taking long range shots. I shoot more in a year and have more money into barrel replacements than I care to admit to make sure that I can make these type of shots. I have been doing it for a very long time and have been trained by some of the nations best and I can honestly say that I have only lost one deer, in all my years of hunting many different speices, and it was due to bullet failure. This shot was just a hair under 650 yards and the bullet would have failed at any range, especially closer range at higher velocitys. If you are jealous because you cant do it that is your problem and not theirs. If you choose not to do it that is your problem and not theirs either. Sportsmen should stick together no matter what the style of hunting they choose and stand up for each other instead of rip someone down because you have different thoughts and beleifs and capabilities as them. I dont care who you are, call them hunters or shooters, it doesnt mater because in the end we are all after our own personal goals and who are any of you to tell someone that they are wrong for trying to do what they love to do, how they love to do it. I tell you what, these guys that are "shooters" probably shoot more in a year than 95% of the rest of the population does in ten years, take better care of their equiptment, and maintain a higher standard of acceptability than 95% of the "normal" folks that can call themselves hunters because they conform to what you guys say is how things should be.