Felony for pocher

hossblur

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I always knew it was a problem, however it hasn't been made clear until the big "horn auction" by the UDWR. We have a very serious problem and we need to get serious about it. Today I contacted my state reps about making poaching a felony. Also, I inquired with one rep about adding stiffer sentences for using a firearm in commiting a felony, similiar to how it is down with drug crimes. Many of us know, or have known people who are poaching to feed their families, and while I am not in favor, I understand. We we have now is "professional" poachers who are not only killing animals, but selling the horns(I will not go into my rant about what kind of clown buys horns they didn't kill or pick up). The horn auction only but a picture on the animals killed for their racks, how many does and cows were killed? Some things we can't control, weather, highways, development. This one we can!


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
I cut no slack and do not think most of you would if I rob a bank to feed my family or steal your cow to feed my family or steal fuel from your vehicle to make money to feed my family.

Poaching a game animal or stealing a neighbor's chicken is wrong and the person doing this is a criminal.

What percentage of big game animals poached are by someone on the verge of starving? Heck, I burn up $20 of fuel just visiting the gun range for the afternoon. $20 will buy a lot of garden seeds for a truckload of food if you put in some sweat and tears to manage the garden, just saying. Maybe poachers should drive less and then they could afford to visit the grocery store more.
 
It can be a 3rd degree Felony



23-20-4. Wanton destruction of protected wildlife -- Penalties.
(1) A person is guilty of wanton destruction of protected wildlife if that person:
(a) commits an act in violation of Section 23-13-4, 23-13-5, 23-13-13, 23-15-6 through 23-15-9, 23-16-5, or Subsection 23-20-3(1);
(b) captures, injures, or destroys protected wildlife; and
(c) (i) does so with intentional, knowing, or reckless conduct as defined in Section 76-2-103;
(ii) intentionally abandons protected wildlife or a carcass;
(iii) commits the offense at night with the use of a weapon;
(iv) is under a court or division revocation of a license, tag, permit, or certificate of registration; or
(v) acts for pecuniary gain.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to actions taken in accordance with:
(a) Title 4, Chapter 14, Utah Pesticide Control Act;
(b) Title 4, Chapter 23, Agricultural and Wildlife Damage Prevention Act; or
(c) Section 23-16-3.1.
(3) Wanton destruction of wildlife is punishable:
(a) as a third degree felony if:
(i) the aggregate value of the protected wildlife determined by the values in Subsection (4) is more than $500; or
(ii) a trophy animal was captured, injured, or destroyed;
(b) as a class A misdemeanor if the aggregate value of the protected wildlife, determined by the values established in Subsection (4) is more than $250, but does not exceed $500; and
(c) as a class B misdemeanor if the aggregate value of the protected wildlife determined by the values established in Subsection (4) is $250 or less.
(4) Regardless of the restitution amounts imposed under Subsection 23-20-4.5(2), the following values are assigned to protected wildlife for the purpose of determining the offense for wanton destruction of wildlife:
(a) $1,000 per animal for:
(i) bison;
(ii) bighorn sheep;
(iii) rocky mountain goat;
(iv) moose;
(v) bear;
(vi) peregrine falcon;
(vii) bald eagle; or
(viii) endangered species;
(b) $750 per animal for:
(i) elk; or
(ii) threatened species;
(c) $500 per animal for:
(i) cougar;
(ii) golden eagle;
(iii) river otter; or
(iv) gila monster;


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(d) $400 per animal for:
(i) pronghorn antelope; or
(ii) deer;
(e) $350 per animal for bobcat;
(f) $100 per animal for:
(i) swan;
(ii) sandhill crane;
(iii) turkey;
(iv) pelican;
(v) loon;
(vi) egrets;
(vii) herons;
(viii) raptors, except those that are threatened or endangered;
(ix) Utah milk snake; or
(x) Utah mountain king snake;
(g) $35 per animal for furbearers, except:
(i) bobcat;
(ii) river otter; and
(iii) threatened or endangered species;
(h) $25 per animal for trout, char, salmon, grayling, tiger muskellunge, walleye, largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, and wiper;
(i) $15 per animal for game birds, except:
(i) turkey;
(ii) swan; and
(iii) sandhill crane;
(j) $10 per animal for game fish not listed in Subsection (4)(h);
(k) $8 per pound dry weight of processed brine shrimp including eggs; and
(l) $5 per animal for protected wildlife not listed.
(5) For purposes of sentencing for a wildlife violation, a person who has been convicted of a third degree felony under Subsection (3)(a) is not subject to the mandatory sentencing requirements prescribed in Subsection 76-3-203.8(4).
(6) As part of a sentence imposed, the court shall impose a sentence of incarceration of not less than 20 consecutive days for a person convicted of a third degree felony under Subsection (3)(a)(ii) who captured, injured, or destroyed a trophy animal for pecuniary gain.
(7) If a person has already been convicted of a third degree felony under Subsection (3)(a)(ii) once, each separate additional offense under Subsection (3)(a)(ii) is punishable by, as part of a sentence imposed, a sentence of incarceration of not less than 20 consecutive days.
(8) The court may not sentence a person subject to Subsection (6) or (7) to less than 20 consecutive days of incarceration or suspend the imposition of the sentence unless the court finds mitigating circumstances justifying lesser punishment and makes that finding a part of the court record.
 
You had me until your rant on buying hornes you didnt kill or pick up. I like hornes, and like to build stuff. I have bought hornes and have some I didnt find. Thats like telling you not to buy you wife boobs to play and look at, unless you can do them your self!!!
 
I agree, poaching has been happening way too much for a LONG time.

My only worry is this; my dad told me of a guy he knows that shot a buck during the hunt (I apologize I don't know all the details, just what my dad told me that was told to him by the hunter). The bullet happened to pass through and wounded a doe. Another hunter witnessed it and called the authorities. When the hunter was questioned by the authorities he confessed that this indeed happened. However, according to him the doe was never recovered by the authorities (but he had already confessed). If I remember right my dad said that this guy was indeed charged with a felony. In hind sight the hunter should have taken it to court, but he knew it happened and didn't have a lot of money to fight a legal battle. Now his life is obviously changed forever.

I know we can't be too careful in hunting situations, but things happen and I don't want to be charged with a felony if I shoot an anmial and can't recover it.

I would rather have 100 poachers walk free than 1 innocent man put behind bars.
 
How much money did the DWR make on the auction? Sounds like another way to make a buck so why make it so bad for a poacher? We all read about Poachers who shot giants just to be let off with a misdemeanor. Now we know why.
 
BBL---You have got to be kidding me with this statement of yours: "Sounds like another way to make a buck so why make it so bad for a poacher? We all read about Poachers who shot giants just to be let off with a misdemeanor. Now we know why." FYI the court system basically works independently and many times the way the system works the charging agency (DWR in this case)has to take what the court decides whether they like it or not. Most of the time the Prosecutor will file a serious charge(s)and then plea bargain it down so that the defendant will enter a guilty or nolo plea to avoid a lengthy, costly trial.
 
hossblur.....I buy, trade and sell antlers and the EXTENSIVE collection of things I make with them.

I think your statement is shallow....at best.

"I could eat a bowl of Alphabet Soup and
sh!t a better argument than that!"
 
Poaching can be a Felony . During the court process the Felony usually is downgraded to a misdemeanor as a plea agreement or deal . And I personally don't have a problem w/ individuals who buy/sell antlers . I do myself . I have boughten and sold many antlers in the past . Better to buy them than to see them go too a dumpster IMO . I'm sure you would be dumpster diving if you saw a nice set of antlers in the dumpster .
 
That horn auction was blown out of proportion. I was at the auction talking to one of the officers and the "pile" of horns included road kills and dead heads turned in by hunters since 2007. I don't know the exact numbers but if 8K to 10K deer/elk are killed annually by vehicles, then you would have a pretty big pile over 5 years.

So not every horn was te result of a poacher.

Killing an ungulate out of season is not on the same scale as killing a human.
 
So your defense of the state setting a market on horns is that cabelas has taxidermy? Well hell I guess that means we can all support car stealing because every summer there is a car show in my town. As for the guy who makes things, fair enough, but how much poaching is done to support this? IMO, most poaching is done by clowns riding around who just have disregard for anything and kill stuff. HOWEVER, there seems to be more and more "professional" poachers. Yeah, deer get killed by vehicles, but since there won't be any rush to tear up I-80 anytime soon, we could focus on something we can do. A lot of crimes have manditory minimums, I would like to see that for poaching, and I believe that if you add the firearm used in crime commision part it too would help.
But as always I am always suprised by what is said in here. I figured this would be a slam dunk, but as I have read there apparently is some support for poaching, or at least minor sentecing for it. Always amazed at the lenths that some guys go to for a "big spread", laws or ethics be damned!!


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
>When they came for the road
>hunters I was not one
>so I said nothing.
>When they came for the
>oppurtunists I was not one
>so I said nothing.
>When they came for the
>public land hunters I was
>not one so I said
>nothing. When they came
>for me there was no
>one left to say anything!
>
Frankly, I hope they come for you soon!

"I could eat a bowl of Alphabet Soup and
sh!t a better argument than that!"
 

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