Then multiply that yearly total number of permits by 17, which I believe is the total number of years this expo has been going on (2005 if i not mistaking. It was somewhere around that time) and that number is absolutely disgusting that they’ve stolen from your average public hunter. Memories and opportunities from nearly countless families and friends that they would have had, if $FW hadn’t stolen these permits for private greed.If you add up the expo and conservation tags there are well over 500 LE and OIL tags taken from the public draw.
When people start talking about season changes to help with point creep, instead of handing ONE MORE advantage to these groups, how about we put some of these tags back in the public draw first?
I did math on how many of each species was given away a couple years ago, and I believe it was well over 150 elk tags every year. (I need to check my data for accurate figures) When you run that on a 5 year cycle to coincide with the 5 year waiting period, that’s almost 1,000 extra people out of the elk pool EVERY year if these go back into the public draw. Switching around seasons will not add 1,000 tags to the mix. It’s just sickening people continue to fall for the smoke and mirrors on this one.
Are they doing an expo in Texas?I think its fantastic. Nothing was stolen and people who don't hunt get to see that wildlife has great value. They may not hunt but they have to recognize the symbiotic relationship between hunting, wildlife, and a state's economy.
How is taking a tag that anyone can draw and putting that same tag in an auction that 90% of hunters can't justify spending that kind of money not stealing from one group to give to another?I think its fantastic. Nothing was stolen and people who don't hunt get to see that wildlife has great value. They may not hunt but they have to recognize the symbiotic relationship between hunting, wildlife, and a state's economy.
He drinks the cool-aidHow is taking a tag that anyone can draw and putting that same tag in an auction that 90% of hunters can't justify spending that kind of money not stealing from one group to give to another?
How is taking a tag that anyone can draw and putting that same tag in an auction that 90% of hunters can't justify spending that kind of money not stealing from one group to give to another?
Who is they, The SFW wildlife board? Fox guarding the hen house is what that is.Definition of steal
(Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
Let's see here. First of all they have just as much right as anyone to decide the distribution model used on the tags. Remember how you say its "yours". Well in all reality it is just as much "theirs" as "yours". So they actually get a say at the table on how the tags are distributed. I know its hard to believe but those rich people are equal in ownership and rights to you. Second, it was done using legal and not "wrongful" means.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it theft.
One interesting flaw in your logic is this quote.
"stealing from one group to give to another"
Nobody is "giving" anything to them. They are purchasing it for money, which is completely legal in a capitalist republic. Just take the emotion out and look at the logic.
Maybe we could get some elk tags and auction them to fund the move. That's a auction I could support.I think $.f.w. should head to Texas!
Elkantlers, notice the word "and" in the definition. That means the first portion of the definition can't be excluded. If they had used "or" instead of "and" then the first portion of the definition can be excluded.Who is they, The SFW wildlife board? Fox guarding the hen house is what that is.
See Bold^^^ this is definitely habitual and regular.
Actually, these tags are given to the conservation organizations to auction. They do not purchase them from the state.Nobody is "giving" anything to them. They are purchasing it for money, which is completely legal in a capitalist republic. Just take the emotion out and look at the logic.
No, Vanilla. Actually no tag is given to the conservation organizations.Actually, these tags are given to the conservation organizations to auction. They do not purchase them from the state.
Yeah...right.SFW is welcome in Texas. We don't get into socialism much here.
Those are federal programs and SS principally isn't socialism its a Ponzi scheme.Yeah...right.
Nobody in Texas draws SS, Medicare, farmers aren't subsidized, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Try reality for a change of pace.
GiveNo, Vanilla. Actually no tag is given to the conservation organizations.
The conservation organizations are nothing more than a contracted service to manage the tag distribution.
There's no need to lie to the people Vanilla.
So its only socialism if its a State mandate? Again, try reality...and good to see you never lose your penchant to argue anything. Even when you're wrong.Those are federal programs and SS principally isn't socialism its a Ponzi scheme.
Those are your words.So its only socialism if its a State mandate?
No, Vanilla. Actually no tag is given to the conservation organizations.
The conservation organizations are nothing more than a contracted service to manage the tag distribution.
There's no need to lie to the people Vanilla.
Hey Roadrunner, Do any of the conservation orgs have a tag in their possession that they transfer to anyone else? No they do not. When you are the winning bid or the lucky winner in the DWR does the conservation org walk up and hand you a tag? No they do not. Because they don't have one. Do you have to write a check to the state DWR? Yes you do. Because the state possesses the tag. Details matter. No need to lie.
They aren't given anything but a contract and they don't distribute anything at their discretion. They are told exactly how it is distributed.
That's the truth of it.
You are making claims but you aren't backing them up.You need to educate yourself on how the tag distribution takes place before you tell people they are wrong. We know you won't, but I won't let you lie to the people on this forum without your regular inaccuracies and blatant lies being called out. Chase that tail, dog. Chase it good!
Right ?Yeah...right.
Nobody in Texas draws SS, Medicare, farmers aren't subsidized, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Try reality for a change of pace.
My state has the market cornered on proper wildlife management. Plus, they're in the black and have the revenue to operate nearly a year from surplus $$$. They outlawed game farms a long time ago too.Those are your words.
If you have a problem withe Texas farming and their relationship with state or federal governments go start a thread. Not sure why you want to hi-jack this one unless you are bitter your state has bought into socialized wildlife management.
I did, responded...Buzz H, did you get my pm?
Well I can only kill 1 pronghorn a year.My state has the market cornered on proper wildlife management. Plus, they're in the black and have the revenue to operate nearly a year from surplus $$$. They outlawed game farms a long time ago too.
I can hunt 6 pronghorn a year, 3 elk, 6 or more deer a year, 2 lions, black bear, wolf. I've drawn both sheep and moose in the last 8 years.
I'm too busy hunting to be bitter...
I think buzz means legallyWell I can only kill 1 pronghorn a year.
But I can kill as many elk as I want, and as many deer as I want and as many lions as I want.
We didn't outlaw game farms here. We realized people can do what they please and be free people and it really doesn't effect how much fun I get out of my hunt.
Good. Thats what I'm talking about also.I think buzz means legally
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Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Buck Deer | ||||
1 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Book Cliffs, North | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 9 |
2 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Book Cliffs, South | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 4 |
3 - Limited Entry | Archery | Book Cliffs | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 4 |
4 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Book Cliffs | Sep. 29 - Oct. 07, 2021 | 4 |
5 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Fillmore, Oak Creek LE | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 1 |
6 - Limited Entry | Archery | Fillmore, Oak Creek LE | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
7 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Fillmore, Oak Creek LE | Sep. 29 - Oct. 07, 2021 | 1 |
8 - Premium Limited Entry | Premium Any Weapon | Henry Mtns | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 1 |
9 - Premium Limited Entry | Premium Any Weapon | Paunsaugunt | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 3 |
10 - Premium Limited Entry | Premium Archery | Paunsaugunt | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 2 |
11 - Premium Limited Entry | Premium Muzzleloader | Paunsaugunt | Sep. 29 - Oct. 07, 2021 | 1 |
12 - Limited Entry | Management Buck, Any Weapon | Paunsaugunt | Nov. 01 - Nov. 05, 2021 | 1 |
13 - Limited Entry | Late-season Muzzleloader | Pine Valley | Nov. 03 - Nov. 11, 2021 | 1 |
14 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | San Juan, Elk Ridge | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 1 |
15 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | San Juan, Elk Ridge | Sep. 29 - Oct. 07, 2021 | 1 |
16 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | South Slope, Diamond Mtn | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 1 |
17 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | South Slope, Diamond Mtn | Sep. 29 - Oct. 07, 2021 | 1 |
18 - Limited Entry | Late-season Muzzleloader | Wasatch, West | Nov. 03 - Nov. 11, 2021 | 1 |
19 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | West Desert, Vernon | Oct. 23 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 5 |
20 - Limited Entry | Archery | West Desert, Vernon | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 2 |
21 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | West Desert, Vernon | Sep. 29 - Oct. 07, 2021 | 2 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Bull Elk | ||||
22 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 2 |
23 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
24 - Limited Entry | Archery | Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
25 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South | Sep. 27 - Oct. 08, 2021 | 1 |
26 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
27 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Cache, Meadowville | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
28 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Cache, South | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
29 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Cache, South | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
30 - Limited Entry | Archery | Cache, South | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
31 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Cache, South | Sep. 27 - Oct. 08, 2021 | 1 |
32 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Central Mtns, Manti | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 8 |
33 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Central Mtns, Manti | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 4 |
34 - Limited Entry | Archery | Central Mtns, Manti | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 6 |
35 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Central Mtns, Manti | Sep. 27 - Oct. 08, 2021 | 3 |
36 - Limited Entry | Archery | Central Mtns, Nebo | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
37 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Central Mtns, Nebo | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
38 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Fillmore, Pahvant | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
39 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | La Sal, La Sal Mtns | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 2 |
40 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | La Sal, La Sal Mtns | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
41 - Limited Entry | Archery | La Sal, La Sal Mtns | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
42 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Mt Dutton | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
43 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Mt Dutton | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
44 - Limited Entry | Archery | Mt Dutton | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
45 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Panguitch Lake | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
46 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Panguitch Lake | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
47 - Limited Entry | Archery | Panguitch Lake | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
48 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Paunsaugunt | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
49 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Plateau, Boulder | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
50 - Limited Entry | Archery | Plateau, Boulder | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
51 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 3 |
52 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 1 |
53 - Limited Entry | Archery | Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 2 |
54 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes | Sep. 27 - Oct. 08, 2021 | 1 |
55 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | San Juan Bull Elk | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
56 - Limited Entry | Archery | San Juan Bull Elk | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
57 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Southwest Desert, South | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 2 |
58 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Southwest Desert, South | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 2 |
59 - Limited Entry | Archery | Southwest Desert, South | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
60 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Southwest Desert, South | Sep. 27 - Oct. 08, 2021 | 1 |
61 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | South Slope, Diamond Mtn | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
62 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (early) | Wasatch Mtns | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 8 |
63 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (late) | Wasatch Mtns | Nov. 13 - Nov. 21, 2021 | 4 |
64 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon (mid) | Wasatch Mtns | Oct. 09 - Oct. 21, 2021 | 3 |
65 - Limited Entry | Archery | Wasatch Mtns | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 6 |
66 - Limited Entry | Muzzleloader | Wasatch Mtns | Sep. 27 - Oct. 08, 2021 | 5 |
67 - Limited Entry | Multi-Season | Wasatch Mtns | All Limited Entry Seasons. | 1 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Antlerless Elk | ||||
68 - General Season | Any Open Season and Unit Within Boundary | Central Mtns, Manti | Season dates approved April 2021. | 3 |
69 - General Season | Any Open Season and Unit Within Boundary | Central Mtns, Nebo | Season dates approved April 2021. | 1 |
70 - General Season | Any Open Season and Unit Within Boundary | Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes | Season dates approved April 2021. | 1 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Pronghorn | ||||
71 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Book Cliffs, South | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
72 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 3 |
73 - Limited Entry | Archery | Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden | Aug. 21 - Sep. 17, 2021 | 1 |
74 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Fillmore, Oak Creek South | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 3 |
75 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Mt Dutton/Paunsaugunt | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
76 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Nine Mile, Anthro-Myton Bench | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
77 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Pine Valley | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
78 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | San Rafael, North | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 4 |
79 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | Southwest Desert | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 3 |
80 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | South Slope, Vernal | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 3 |
81 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | West Desert, Riverbed | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 1 |
82 - Limited Entry | Any Weapon | West Desert, Snake Valley | Sep. 18 - Sep. 26, 2021 | 2 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Bull Moose | ||||
83 - Once-in-a-lifetime | Wasatch Mtns/Central Mtns | Sep. 18 - Oct. 21, 2021 | 2 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Black Bear | ||||
88 - Limited Entry | Summer, Any Legal Weapon, No Dogs | Wasatch Mtns, West-Central | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 2 |
89 - Limited Entry | Spring, Any Legal Weapon, No Bait | La Sal | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 2 |
90 - Limited Entry | Fall, Any Legal Weapon | Nine Mile | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 1 |
91 - Limited Entry | Fall, Any Legal Weapon | Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 1 |
92 - Limited Entry | Spring, Any Legal Weapon, No Bait | Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 1 |
93 - Limited Entry | Spring, Any Legal Weapon, No Bait | South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 1 |
94 - Limited Entry | Spring, Any Legal Weapon, No Bait | Central Mtns, Manti-North | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 1 |
95 - Limited Entry | Spring, Any Legal Weapon, No Bait | Central Mtns, Nebo | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 1 |
96 - Limited Entry | Spring, Any Legal Weapon, No Bait | San Juan | Season dates approved Jan. 2021. | 2 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Desert Bighorn Sheep | ||||
97 - Once-in-a-lifetime | Kaiparowits, East | Sep. 18 - Nov. 10, 2021 | 1 | |
98 - Once-in-a-lifetime | Kaiparowits, West | Sep. 18 - Nov. 10, 2021 | 1 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Rocky Mtn. Bighorn Sheep | ||||
99 - Once-in-a-lifetime | Box Elder, Newfoundland Mtn (early) | Oct. 09 - Oct. 29, 2021 | 1 | |
100 - Once-in-a-lifetime | Fillmore, Oak Creek (early) | Oct. 09 - Oct. 29, 2021 | 1 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Mountain Goat | ||||
101 - Once-in-a-lifetime | ARCHERY | Central Mtns, Nebo | Sep. 11 - Oct. 03, 2021 | 1 |
102 - Once-in-a-lifetime | North Slope/South Slope, High Uintas West | Sep. 11 - Oct. 31, 2021 | 2 | |
103 - Once-in-a-lifetime | La Sal, La Sal Mtns | Sep. 11 - Nov. 30, 2021 | 1 |
Hunt Type | Weapon Type | Hunt Location | Hunt Dates | Permits Avail. |
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Turkey | ||||
104 - Public Lands | Northern Region | Apr. 10 - Apr. 29, 2021 | 2 | |
105 - Public Lands | Northeast Region | Apr. 10 - Apr. 29, 2021 | 1 | |
106 - Public Lands | Central Region | Apr. 10 - Apr. 29, 2021 | 2 | |
107 - Public Lands | Southern Region | Apr. 10 - Apr. 29, 2021 | 1 | |
108 - Public Lands | Southeast Region | Apr. 10 - Apr. 29, 2021 | 1 |
Bessy where can I see how much tags etc going for?10,000 character Maximum?
Thanks Bessy, Man I’m like a kid in a candy store! Those bear hunts are looking good. What time of year and how hard of a hunt is it?Here You Go Joe!
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Ill be damned. 17 years in and FINALLY dudes are seeing this for what it is? I guess rubber chicken dinners and Lee Greenwood really did mesmerize dudes.
Im sure the $3.75 per app will be returned to the state since there isn't any overhead this year?
But hey. Lets drastically cut tag numbers. Make it so kids cant hunt deer. Further decrease our numbers. Then handout all this welfare, cap it with CWMU and talk about "management".
And we wonder why the baiting and cam bill has to bypass the WB and RAC?
This is asinine. The entire idea is asinine.
But bet your azz, dudes will *****, then play the lotto.
You must be as dumb as you sound to "spend tens of thousands of dollars" and not get anything from the government.Hey Elk I pay out tens of thousands of dollars a year to the government and there is a %100 chance of getting absolutely nothing from them for it. This way I can give a government a few hundred dollars and there is a tiny chance I can get a big game tag.?
He isYou must be as dumb as you sound to "spend tens of thousands of dollars" and not get anything from the government.
You betAre they still having the $5 draw for the Tags?
thanks Joe
Thanks Tristate!You bet
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Butt hurt because RMEF didn't get the bid.
Shouldn't be a bid period. OUR tags should benefit US(or our wildlife) 100%.
He means the general public bubba...Yeah! All those people that work for the organization or buy the tag aren't "us".?
So do I slickHe means the general public bubba...
Blaaaaaaaam!$1,372,220 raised in the first Auction!!!!
Blaaaaaaaam!
You can't do that with a draw system.
You don't know what you mean.So do I slick
Yes you can. App fees alone will do that.Blaaaaaaaam!
You can't do that with a draw system.
Blaaaaaaaam!
You can't do that with a draw system.
It appears you don’t have much experience outside of high fences and canned hunts, but yes, app fees do pull in huge amounts money yearly to utah. Try doing a little basic research next time before you state a “fact”Blaaaaaaaam!
You can't do that with a draw system.
Keep dreamingIt appears you don’t have much experience outside of high fences and canned hunts, but yes, app fees do pull in huge amounts money yearly to utah. Try doing a little basic research next time before you state a “fact”
Ya we all keep dreaming for the day Wade tells you to keep your trap shut boy.Keep dreaming