I’m guessing you weren’t even slightly sober when you wrote this
Thats like, your opinion man.
Is anyone ever slightly sober when they post **** on here?
I think that's the whole point of hunting forums!
example one. These posts would go away if it was OIL.
Will have the opposite effect...when people pay extra for a tag, or have to draw, they're killing a deer with it.
Yep, when I pay out of state fees, I bring home meat, no matter what. It's hard to justify the time away and the money spent to the other half if you don't bring home some freezer fare..
I'm almost embarrassed to admit I read this, but it's chump change, not "chunk change".
Absolutely true. If i paid 200$ for a tag this last year i could have shot a nice buck opening day but instead i kept after a certain buck. It never came to fruition but had i paid 200$ i would of been happy with the really nice buck i had the shot at opening morning. Also why not just charge non residents another 500$ for the premium tag and let residents hunt for free. Sounds pretty good
That’s adorable that you think $200 would deter anybody from hunting deer in Western Wyoming. If anything, it would cause people to shoot all the four point bucks out of the genetic pool. And there would be nothing but big gnarly three points running around. Right?
Thats whats happening already, 3yr old 4 points dont stand a chance over there any more..
Oh man is it too early to call this post of the year? Well done Chance well done!
The ultimate "participation trophy"
I pay my tag fees like everyone else. If I choose to shoot a "meat buck" that's my business. Last I heard, it was call deer hunting, not "200 inch or nothing" hunting. Get real dude.
You actually asked 7 questions. But I will answer the two most important to you that you put at the end.
HELL YEAH!!! Oh boy I could hear the crying now!!’
You're premium priced license idea has been discussed resulting in little support; so you didn't blaze that trail. Regardless, it would require legislative action and those chances are slim to none. Sorry you wasted your time on that subject.
Eight years old Dude..?SlightlySober mixing it up again. Love it.
I think while we are at it we should charge people like you who beg and promise handicap hunters to share their points. Let's say $500.00 for guys who make promises they can't keep on a big buck in 90. By the way, how did 90 treat you and your handicap "new buddy". See it can work both ways, except we residents don't have to take advantage of people to hunt G and H every year. I will pay the $200, will you pay $500 every year you find a new buddy who shares their points with you?
I’m a Resident and not happy with region G. Area 144 and area 143 need to go limited quota and the season moved to Oct. 1st opener in G and only a 10 day season for all areas and the elk harvest doubled.
I talk to maybe 50-60 hunters in G when I'm working there every year...never have heard one say they want it to go draw only. In fact, most seem pretty happy to be hunting there.
Hunt G&H every year with both my son’s. All in all we are happy with how it is managed. The good far outweighs the bad. Love that we can hunt it every year. Season s start early and are long which is nice. Happy with the bucks we see. Less pressure would be great but being able to hunt it every year trumps that every time for us. I have only taken 1 buck in either unit in the last 12 years. Sons have never taken a buck there, they have been hunting it for 3 years. We strictly hunt for that special buck in those regions and crossing paths has been few and far between. Baggs units, elk and white tails are for filling freezers for us.
So let me ask you a question. If you're not happy with G, areas 144/143 in particular, do you still head there every year and hunt? If so, do you hunt just 10 days, or take advantage of the full season? I often wonder about people who say they want change, however, need a law/regulation to do so. If you aren't happy with G, and want to see a change, stop hunting there. One less deer killed. Personal choices.
When you start calling residents whiney, selfish and sling mud don't get upset when people respond. Just a little advice....
I don’t hunt 144 but occasionally venture into 143 and the surrounding areas. 144 and 143 would create a buffer zone stretching from the Idaho border thru 143 into the Winter range. The increasing boom in elk numbers has directly affected the deer herds. We know this from many past studies which demonstrate how elk herds affect deer ecology. I haven’t killed a deer in almost a decade but I have lived and hunted there in G/H for 45+ years. It is the worst now I’ve ever seen it. High alpine basins which all held mature bucks in the 70s and 80s are now full of hunter orange and Elk. Sad how it has been going downhill for decades.
Founder should have an age limit on who can post on this forum. No one under 18 allowed.
Stupid.
Not an Outfitter and doubt any outfitter would support LQ. I certainly don’t want G/H to go LQ but I think a small buffer area in the Wyoming Range core in 144 and 143 only would provide a safe haven if these two units were LQ. The rest remain General. I work and drive across those Winter Ranges weekly and this is the worst in 40+ years I have ever seen this herd with low numbers, very few mature bucks and deer in poor shape, luckily it was a mild winter.
You know Jims never been in the G spot?
Its becoming pretty obvious at this point
The bulk of their clients are already on a limited quota system. Several outfitters have been calling for a limited quota system for the last decade. Some have even gotten out of the game...their choice. From an outfitters perspective, suppressing resident numbers would only benefit their clients experience.
Not me. If i don't find a buck or bull i want to kill I come home with the tag. All i feel is disappointment and failure to come home with a meat buck.
All he is saying and I agree is move the hunt out of September to Oct. 1st with a short 7 day season, 10 days at most. This would stop many residents from driving all across the state to hunt G on Sept. 15th and then hunt their local area on Oct. 1st. The season in many areas already goes in G from Seot. 15th to Oct. 7th. Just shorten it from Oct. 1st to Oct. 7th or 10th at the latest. The elk hunt always starts on the 15th but the elk harvest needs to double. I still say create a LQ safe haven in areas 144 and 143 which gives the deer a safe area extending almost from Idaho clear through to the Winter ranges. Keep all the rest of the areas in G/H General. Also area 135 needs to have the same opening date as all the rest of G/H. There are far too many, myself included hunting the Sept15th opener then moving down to 135 for that opening date on Oct. 1st.
It’s not that easy to just hire more guides. Biggest issue is horses and forest service permits. Most camps have a limit on the number of camps and clients they are allowed. Doubtful the Forest Service will allow more camps and bigger camps. Skilled guides are not not easily accessible. If they only have one or two hunts it limits the amount of clients they can guide dramatically vs. a 21 day season where they get 4 groups of hunters for 5 days. Many residents will drive across state for a Seot. 15th opener but when the hunters from Gillette or Casper have to choose between the Powder River basin in their backyard or a short season which makes them miss the family reunion hunt in their backyard and drive clear across the state they pass on the expensive long drive. Even 500 resident hunters not hunting in G/H makes a big difference considering G only allows 400 total non-residents.
Dude, when you feel the need for name calling, just take a couple Prozac. I'm certain you will feel better.
Large groups and camps from Cheyenne, Casper and Gillette. Look closer the 1, 2 and 17s are widespread and a plethora of them.
I see far more nr plates than I do central or eastern wyo plates. Not even a contest where I’m at
It's probably best to not spread bs on the internet about stuff you obviously know nothing about. When an outfitter leases a camp from natl forest they are not restricted on how many people they're allowed to have in their camp and their use days are not restricted on how many clients they can take during those days. It is that simple they can and will take the same amount of clients in a shorter season
Truth!
Obviously you are Ignorant of Forest use permits. The amount of clients who will use a camp is strictly detailed and Inspected by Forest Service personnel both before and during use. It will specifically state the amount of Forest use days permitted, and livestock they are permitting. Try again, I suggest you never become an Outfitter as you have much to learn. Besides the main issue is getting more skilled guides which aren’t readily available if everyone has to work the same 7 day hunt period.
In 2020 there were 4912 resident hunters and a maximum of 400 non-resident hunters in the Wyoming Range. I think it’s obvious where the majority of hunters come from.
I don't know about "strictly detailed", that's not what is says. A "Discussion", in other words an example: "4-8 clients based on season length" would work. That's just one more tent.
Actually I have dealt with the Forest Service before so here’s an example for you. Outfitter X has a permit for a camp for 12 hunters which allows 15 horses. With this he is authorised to bring in 48 hunters over a 21 day deer season in 4, 5 day hunts and the same for his follow on elk operation which starts later on Oct. 15th, the deer hunt begins Sept. 15th. If the season condenses to 7 days or one hunt, his current permit doesn’t allow him to bring in 48 hunters and 60 horses nor does he even have 60 horses, he only has 15 and enough guides for 12 hunters ie 6 guides who service 12 clients plus his 2 wranglers and 2 cooks to handle the 12 man camp he is authorised. He would need a New permit and unlikely in today’s environment anyone would authorise a camp with 48 hunters, 60 horses and 24 guides, 4 wranglers and 4-6 camp cooks. Besides, where could he hire 18 highly skilled guides when everyone else wants and is competing for their skills. Ignorance is bliss.
I said one of the best and it damn sure is. If you don't agree it just shows your ignorance of the area itself
You compare it to the henries which has like what maybe 50 tags? And it still doesn’t produce as many 200” deer in a year region G does. And then you mention the Jicarilla? Laughin!
How often have you hunted the Henry's?
Sebastian is just pissed that he cant find a bunch of suckers...I mean "friends" to party with in G or H.
It’s going to be a good year in G. Lots of nice bucks on the winter range. Overall mild winter. There’s going to be a couple 230+ bucks to be had. Imagine if this coming winter is mild too. Oh boy!
You think he would be focused on why his state increased tags for 3rd and 4th season which is basically during the rut this year. Maybe he’s sitting there wondering why no one from Wyoming is telling Colorado how to manage their deer?
Yea too bad most the deer of that caliber live in terrain that would reduce men like that to tears. Softer then hospital $#+t
Dang, wish I could find some of those 200 inchers!!! Every year they’re hunting one, huh?
Do you go up there to try to find a 200" deer every year knowing they are there i think you do. does eveyone always find one of course not but we all know they are around and they are. The same cant be said for most places. Im sure you're upset with the area after last year huh?
You know what I meant. There’s always a chance in G. There are a lot of units all over the west there there’s zero chance most years.
There are very, very few true 200"gross deer anywhere and limited quota in G wouldn't change that there. In fact, it could make it worse.When “200” is thrown around so freely about a place I take notice. Especially when I spend a significant amount of time in that place and have found very, very few of them. Makes me wonder just how crappy I am at this deer hunting game.
I was once told a guy saw 7 200+ bucks on a 3 mile stretch of ridge I scouted and saw none. I cleaned my optics that afternoon!
Really, so what does this mean, you wrote it?
Yeah that will fix it ? Lot less people back then. Not much for oil field and development on winter range. aggressive predator management the list goes on.
This ^^^^
Urge 2 Hunt
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.
