the refuge hunt is entirely weather based...there are zero elk on it all fall until the snows start pushing them out of the mountains. . any person with a general tag can go hunt it as well if they havent filled there tag yet...It is not necessarily an easy hunt, but if you hit the weather right you can get a cow. . the hunt that is in grand teton park, is definitely a circus. I feel bad for the elk getting pushed around by road hunters all over the valley, it doesnt exactly give hunting a good view and many anti's get plenty of ammo to use from some of the crap that happens during that hunt. I would say you are better off getting a general tag or applying for a cow tag in a unit, and it would be a better hunt to take your son on.. On the refuge it is a race against other hunters to get to the elk first