Cody deer season

NECALI

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How was the deer hunting around Cody this year? We have been hunting there for about 15 years, but last year was so bad we decided to go somewhere else. Every year we would see quite a few bucks in the 18-20" range, but the last couple of years we weren't seeing them. One of our honey holes went from lots of bucks to one the last year we were there. Makes me sad.
 
My observation of the Cody deer season is mixed. I took a nice buck in late October in the high country. I heard that the migration into 105 and 106 never took place before the season closed. Harvest reports, when available, will prove whether that was true or not. Since the season was changed to only October in those units, I usually only see a lot of 1-2 year old bucks harvested in those units on public land. The harvest is usually heaviest in the last week of October. I only saw one other decent buck in 10 days of hard deer hunting in October.

My son came out for the last week of the season to hunt the North Fork of the Shoshone corridor. We hunted hard for 4 straight days. We covered a lot of ground mostly in Wilderness Areas.

I thought the migration was very late this year on the North Fork of the Shoshone. We did not see many mature bucks in the 3 year and older category. My son took a 21" 4x4 on the fourth day. Average mass with average tine length and likely 3 years old. The previous year my son ate tag soup and I took a very average 22" 5x3 buck. In 2013, my two sons and I took 3 decent 4 point bucks in the 20" to 27" range in the Cody area.

I think the deer hunting will continue to decline. It is MY belief that the change in deer seasons in surrounding units (Sunlight and Clark) and the LE nature of most of the elk hunting in the area have caused this problem. The outfitters are the main problem. They are booking too many deer hunters to compensate for the lack of revenue from elk hunting that came with the recent changes turning most elk units in the area into LE. Add this, to the closure of 105 and 106 earlier in the season(October 31)instead of in early November, has pushed more resident and non-resident pressure onto the deer migrating on the North Fork of the Shoshone with the later season.

Often times, the local G&F biologists and wardens do not look ahead when they change areas to LE or shorten seasons. It often results in the unintended consequence of substantially increasing hunting pressure in other areas. I am sure that the warden in Sunlight/Crandall and the North Fork area are getting some heat right now.

just sayin...mh
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-15 AT 03:52PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-15 AT 03:51?PM (MST)

Thanks. That's some good info and kind of what we have been seeing. We used to hunt Sunlight Basin and have had mixed results. We were kind of disappointed when they changed the season to close Oct. 31st. It looks like they have a special late hunt up there, but the regs. are hard to figure out for nonresidents.
We usually hunt the South fork, but the last time we were there the deer had migrated down as we were seeing tons of deer in the private fields, but on forest service they were non existent. Not like in years past. We asked a biologist if the deer numbers were down and he said yes but only about 10% from objectives. Said they had given out allot of depredation permits to landowners the past several years because of complaints but they were cutting back on those to try to get the herd back up to objectives. We kept an eye out on the harvest reports at the Cody check in station and they were dismal until the last couple of days when all the locals started to kill the bucks off private ground.
Time will tell but I agree with you that the numbers will probably not go back up. Sad for sure.
 
Necali,

The special late season hunt you are talking about is 105 which includes 105,106 and 109. I believe the draw rate for residents is around 6% and even lower for non-residents. It runs for the first 15 days of November. I regularly put in for it, but have yet to ever draw that tag.

I heard that this year the Cody check station was seeing lots of bucks from the South Fork and very few from the North Fork. This was as late as the 7th of November. When the harvest reports are published, I will know a little more. I still think the uncontrolled outfitting for deer on the North Fork is hammering the mule deer population. The size of that herd is very small compared to other areas in Wyoming.

just sayin...mh
 
I know of several good bucks taken on the forest about 8 bucks from 170-high 190's just from people I know. The deer on the forest isn't the same. Ever since the growth of mnt. lions and wolves the deer got pushed to private. The private fields are just loaded with deer.

The whitetails are looking good. After EHD hit a couple of years the whitetails once again came back which I like to see.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-15 AT 09:50PM (MST)[p]That's why I couldn't figure out why I saw a late hunt in 106 but couldn't find any application or draw odds for 106 late.
So is the North fork herd a different herd than the South fork? Or are they considered the same one?
We also noticed that when the wolves started showing up in the South Fork, the deer and elk both started to decline. We used to see about a hundred head of elk on the Hoodo ranch, then it got as bad as seeing about a dozen if that. Although a couple of years ago after a big snowstorm hit late October we saw more elk and couldn't believe the elk tracks from elk migrating through. The deer herd on the Hoodo ranch have almost become extinct. Last time we hunted a couple of favorite drainages back in 2014 we saw absolutely zero deer in them. And now that they charge to hunt the ranch we won't be hunting there again.
I really love the country up there and hope Fish and Game does whatever it takes to help the herds rebound. It's a shame to see what it has become. I hate the thought of it staying the same or getting worse. Let's hope they will do away with the LE elk hunt.

Edit. Don't know why this ended up in the order it did?
 
I know south of Cody up the South Fork the deer are nearly extinct. this is only the second time I've been back into the Washakie but it's unreal how few deer there are there today.

We spent a week glassing for sheep and I saw both more black bear AND more griz than deer.

I'm not sure if it's always been this way or if it's the typical mule deer crash we see so many places but it was sad to see.
















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I have an old book from the Wyoming Game and Fish entitled "The Mule Deer of Wyoming". It is the 3rd Edition. I don't know if it has been updated or discontinued. It describes 3 different mule deer herds in the Cody area. The Clarks Fork Herd is identified as a separate herd with a population of 4,700 animals. The North Fork Shoshone Herd is identified as a separate herd with a population of 2,700. The South Fork of the Shoshone Herd is identified as a separate herd with a population of 5,200. The book was published before the wolf experiment and the increasing population of grizzly bears. Again, I have no idea if this publication has been updated or discontinued.

I spend a lot of time in the Cody backcountry during the Spring, Summer and Fall. My time is spent hiking for the most part. I can range out as far as 5-8 miles from any roads depending on the terrain. By early July, most of the mule deer bucks have disappeared into the high country where I lose contact with them. This year, I saw two mature bucks in October during the hunting season. The first buck was at least 8 1/2 miles from the nearest road living at about 10,000 ft. He was an old timer with a cow head and a pot belly. He was living alone. He was a tall and heavy 4x4 but did not seem particularly wide. His head size might have fooled me with regard to his width. I did not take him despite having the opportunity to do so. Later in October after a good storm, I ran across another mature buck at least 5 miles from the pickup. He was with a single doe and was hidden very well. I decided to shoot him. I would estimate he was a 5 year old buck. He was 24" wide and extremely heavy with 4 points on each side with decent eye guards. He grosses around 170 with a net in the 165 range.

Over the 16 years I have hunted public land in the Cody area, I have seen about 6 mule bucks on the hoof in the 170 to 190 inch range. I was lucky enough to harvest a 185 4x4 typical a few years ago. Hunting mule deer on public land in the Cody area involves knowledge of two things. First, if you know where they hang during the early part of October, you may be able to take one on his summer range. These bucks are way back in and no where near a road. Second, by late October and November you usually need a weather event to trigger the migration out of the high country. If such an event takes place, you need to know where the migration trails are and watch them. If the mule deer rut is triggered before the season ends, you may be lucky enough to see a large buck chasing does. The two largest bucks I have ever seen hunting the Cody area, one in 106 and the other in 111, were rutting with does around the last couple of days of the season in November. This was before the Game and Fish shut down the Sunlight-Crandall season for November unless you held a LE 105 tag. I did not take either of these two bucks. One was the biggest typical I have ever seen alive. I have hunted G&H and this buck was better than any typical I ever saw in those areas.

In 2013 and 2014, I provided 5 non-resident hunters with some information when they were lucky enough to draw the LE late season 105, 106 and 109 deer tags. The guys in 2013 took a couple of typical bucks (4x4 and 3x4)in the 160 to 170 range. The three hunters in 2014 all took non-typical bucks in that same size range or even a little bigger.

My belief is you have to hunt the Cody area very hard to take anything above a 160 inch mule deer during the general season. They exist but are usually located in very steep and remote locations.

just sayin...mh
 
mightyhunters responses in this thread are some of the most thorough, detailed, informative and honest feedback I have ever seen about a region on this website. This should be the go to thread for anyone wondering about mule deer hunting this area. Putting this much effort into your responses is pretty damn cool of you mh. Thank you.
 
And the Meetetsee herd seems very strong. But as I stated before seeing a lot and all on the private land in the hay fields.
 
>And the Meetetsee herd seems very
>strong. But as I stated
>before seeing a lot and
>all on the private land
>in the hay fields.


My dad lives to the east of the airport and I have seen some smaller bucks north and east of the Greybull highway. Being from Eastern Oregon I like the open country and would like some info on the desert part of the Cody area. Thanks...
 
Taking some tags out of region F putting them in that new region X will help a little. I think tag numbers and outfitters are the main reasons for the decline.Every year it seems more people are hunting the North Fork migration. Also last year, I heard that guy that feeds deer on Green Creek in the winter had like 20-30 dead fawns in the area from him feeding them. Stuff like this doesn't help much either. Hunting was definitely better just 5 years ago vs now. A lot of hunters just shoot whatever they see and this doesn't help age class for bucks either.
 
Wyohunter1,

I agree with much of what you posted. The outfitters have hammered the North Fork of the Shoshone mule deer for the last few years. It is very difficult to find a spot that doesn't have an outfitter parked in it. Many of the guides, have their hunters hammer every 2 or 3 year old 4x4 that passes through. The bucks are running the gauntlet for days on end. The bucks that survive, hunker down and hold tight in the daylight and only move at night. If the rut is on in late part of the season, a doe may lead a better buck out into the open.

If I can't find something I like in Unit 106 during the general hunt, I usually end up taking out a "management buck" in Unit 111. Those bucks have included a wide 3x2, a wide 3x5, and numerous 4x3 bucks. Finding a 4+ year old 4x4 in 111 is no easy task. The guides and outfitters tell you that they are selective, but I see what is coming out on their pack horses. If you are going to drop $3,500 for a 5 day deer hunt, you can bet that hunters and guides are less selective on the 4th or 5th day. The outfitters are working under USFS day permits with few restrictions as to location being hunted. I can tell you that the USFS doesn't care what many of these outfitters and guides do. I have been personally harassed by one particular outfitter and his guides. I have almost come to blows with a young guide who is a total jerk. That particular guide has an older brother who is a total professional and just the opposite.

The Game and Fish brought some of this to bear by the early closing of 105 and 106 in region F. The fact that much of the elk hunting in the area is now LE didn't help. This forced many of the outfitters to hammer the deer to maintain revenues. I run into deer hunters hunting the October 1 opener in Unit 106 with a general F tag. Many have not seen anything with horns for days on end. If you look at the game hanger off the Sunlight refuge, you may see a fork horn or a dink 3x3. The real deer migration in 106 starts about the time the general season ends. You can draw a late season LE tag for 105, 106 and 109 but the draw odds are in the single digits.

I will tell you that the mountain deer hunting in F involves some of the greatest scenery in Wyoming. I love the experience, but you have to really work to take a 160 inch buck.

just sayin...mh
 
I can't believe someone from back east would pay that money to ride 30 minutes and sit all day long and stay in a hotel, dude ranch, or a outfitters house for that kind of money. Mightyhunter, you live in Cody?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-16 AT 10:51AM (MST)[p]I can't believe all the dink bucks I see NRs shooting in Region M every year. For as much money as a tag, gas, and the other expenses come to you'd think they'd be a little selective, but they shoot anything in sight on a routine basis right from opening day! I'll go through the RV park in TenSleep and guys have stuff hanging that aren't any bigger than a German Shepherd and then they're the first ones to complain about low deer numbers and not seeing a buck of any size. Geez, I wonder why!
 
Wyohunter1,

I live in Clark, Wyoming. I spend a lot of time on the North Fork and in Sunlight/Crandall. I was actually wandering in the Sunlight yesterday. I have lived here about 16 years. At one time, I guided mule deer for an outfitter in Montana. After a few years of that, I became somewhat disgusted with outfitted hunting. At least when I guided in Montana, the majority of our muley hunting was on private land. That is not the case around here.

It is hard for me to believe that folks will lay out $ 3,500 to $ 4,000 to hunt mule deer in Region F. The deer hunts were a lot cheaper before most of our elk units went LE. The country is beautiful and wild but I am concerned about the sustainability of it all. Look at the harvest reports in 111 over the last 10 years. You will see that NR hunters are taking lots of mule deer. A good portion of 111 is wilderness and so the majority of the hunters must be guided. Some of the trailheads look like a Walmart parking lot during the deer migration. The crowding and pressure in this area is a lot less than on the Hoback or the Greys but the numbers of deer in the Wyoming Range is considerably larger than the small deer herds in the Cody area. Access into vast portions of G and H is much easier than it is in F. Some of the outfitters in G and H actually charge less than the going rate in the Cody area. Because F deer tags have almost a 100% chance for drawing, the guided hunters booking these hunts are almost guaranteed a hunt every year they want to go. That is certainly not the case in G and H.

just sayin...mh
 
Mightyhunter

Yes, at least in G and H your getting the whole back country experience. I was curious who the outfitter/guide that you had the encounter with was? My email is [email protected] if you care to share.

The last couple years I put in for a mediocre deer unit and was lucky enough to draw both times and had a great time not seeing any hunters, not a lot of deer. But I was by myself anyways.
 
I am with TG on the M deer. The country is awesome, just hard to find any decent deer.
I read on another site about how good the fawn recruitment has been the last couple years? Must have been a different area than we were in? Sad to say.
 
I actually found an outfitter in Region F that charges $ 4,500 for a 5 day deer hunt in the area. Most of the others are $ 4,000. All I can say is "good grief".

just sayin...mh
 
MH...That seems to be the new norm now, and I think I may know why.
These Insurance Co. are raping the private sector! You end up giving 10% to start off with, for General Liability. Then if you have a good year and make more money than you projected. They hit you with another 4% on the increased gross. They call it more exposure. It's BS!

I told our Insurance rep, my guys are working all year regardless the gross! So same exposure!
I am getting mad talking about it!

Next up, if you have guides, is work man comp. God help you then! I can't imagine what that price might be for someone working around firearms!

Now if these guy are fly-by-nights, they are making some coin by not paying the overhead! I know if I am paying that price, I want a Certificate of Insurance showing coverage of my adventure!...
 
Junior,

I would bet that most of the outfitters don't carry work comp on their guides. They treat them as independent contractors and pay them per trip. Many guides rely on tips for their compensation combined with a pittance from the outfitter. Many of the licensed guides work for various outfitters during a hunting season. Some are paid as booking agents for the customers they dig up. I was never covered by work comp when I guided in Montana. As a retired attorney, I won't tell you that the "independent contractor" argument is airtight legally. However, it would work a lot better than in many scenarios where I have seen it argued.

I know that the use of horses ups the liability insurance cost. I also know that the special use fees for hunting National Forest are less than what most landowners charge to hunt their property. No one is getting rich guiding hunters. To make up for lost revenue in the elk or other hunting, the outfitters around Cody have upped the volume of deer hunters they guide. This will eventually wreck the resource.

just sayin...mh
 
Wreck the resource indeed. In fact I recently read some where,(I can't find the article now?)the urban deer count in Cody was also down from previous years.
 
Just throwing this out there, I have hunted the Cody area for 20 years as an annual family hunt out of state. We have set foot on ground all around Cody and made some fantastic memories of those trips. It saddens me to see the decline the area has seen in that time. One place that always produced decent deer hunting was heart mt area and the South fork. I've hunted the Hoodoo, and Carter mt as well and miss the adventures we had in all those areas chasing bucks.
I've taken a couple antelope in those areas as well and in those years have seen numerous amounts of animals no matter the weather conditions, that's what brought us back year after year was the numbers and good friends who lived in the cody area. Mind you we never really harvested monster animals but we filled tags with respectable bucks and even does and we're happy for the harvest.
The last few trips to the area have been getting more and more difficult to find and harvest that certain age group of bucks that we desire to put a tag on. You guys are right on the money with your assessment of the areas decline and I totally agree that if it does continue as is the resource cannot sustain itself..
For me it's time to move on and learn a new area but I do it with a heavy heart, I lost my dad 3 years ago to cancer and although I won't be returning to Cody much anymore those years I hunted there with him will always be the best trips we ever took.
Here are a couple memories of that area and I can only hope that one day Region F and this new Region X can rebound and have the numbers of healthy deer herds of years past..
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Those are nice bucks. We used to see one or two bucks like that every year there.( Didn't kill to many ). Not anymore. I'll bet the DIY Non Resident hunters are going to quit hunting that area, but it sounds like the outfitters are getting clients to buy up all the Non Resident tags. I think last years draw they sold out during the first round. That rarely happens. It usually has a couple of hundred left over tags.
 
What really is disheartening is all the time and knowledge of the area and the great people met along the way will be missed. I also lost a lot of respect for the local game and fish that really don't care about the loss of walk-ins and the hunter management areas that provided opportunity. Time to move on and build new memories in a newer and better area.. Thanks for the good times...
 
While I can't provide any info on the deer around the cody area, I have only antelope hunted it. Maybe I can provide some thought on the other comments made about outfitter prices and quality of deer people chose to shoot, from a Midwestern's POV.

We as hunters (certainly not all) have grown lazy and greedy. They only want to put in the least amount of effort into a hunt that they have to be successful. Meaning they will just choose to go with an outfitter that talks a good game, maybe has big deer pictures on their website, and won't spend anytime seeing if that area is a quality area. They may just cruise the roads looking for an animal to shoot. Or maybe they just follow other hunters around the area. To some its not a good/successful hunt unless they kill something, so they shoot either the first buck they see or lower standards at end of hunt. To some a fork horn is better then tag soup, even though their not thinking about the future. Most don't think about letting the younger bucks go for better hunts down the road, they just think they need to fill a tag, others will worry about the future.

Greed has ruined hunting as a whole, all across the US. People are worried if they let an animal pass the next guy will shoot it. Outfitters leasing up every acre they can just so they don't have to compete. If you think 4K is crazy for a deer hunt, how about 2500 for a 3 day antelope hunt?

To me the hunt is about the experience first and the animal second. But if I was forking out 4K for a hunt, I would probably feel more inclined to shooting an animal to feel it was a successful hunt. 4K is a expensive camping trip and that's why I choose the DIY way.
 
Unfortunately the lack of Deer in this area or region. And other regions with the same problem. Puts more pressure on other places. Such as the WY Range Which is already showing signs of decline. To many Hunters and to few Deer. By the way this is one of the most important Deer herds on earth. Shouldn't we care for it as such. I know not to many care what I think. But those are my thoughts anyway.
 
Mighty-
Awesome response....no specific hidey-holes, but enough detail to inspire someone as dedicated as you are. And for the 1:100 who are willing/capable of getting 10 miles off the main road, i think you set the expectations perfectly...a few nice bucks for those willing to work at it! I think that can be said about most high country spots these days. CO alpine, Region G, and back country NV all have the super crazy/off grid spots to get completely away from everyone without burning a pile of points... and those spots offer the deep back country experience....but it takes more that just leg power to get the job done!
CR
 
One of my favorite hunts out of Cody was a hunt about 6 - 7 years up on Pass Ck in the Thorofare. I had already tagged a nice bull. It was about the third week of Oct. The snows were starting to get heavy and the deer migration was on. We sat near the top of the pass and were the only folks in there. The deer were migrating single file over the top less than a 100 yards from us. That one day we counted over 60 bucks not to mention all the does. Had less than a day left to hunt and shot a 28" buck the next morning. While we were gutting and loading it up, the deer continued to file out stopping just long enough to look us over. Had one buck that was pushing 180 come by. Always the hind sight thing that I should've waited, but we were running out of time. Other than that, we never saw anything huge. The next year a bunch of deer got trapped below that pass and the wolves supposedly killed most of them.
 
Hey guys, I drew a region F tag for this year and will be a first timer on Muleys. I'll be coming from West Virginia and staying with an older friend in Powell whos limited in their mobility. I was looking for some advice on a good area to try... I've been looking at Carter mountain but wanted some feedback. I'm a former Marine so humping it in the high country shouldn't be a problem... Just need to know where to start.

Thanks!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-04-16 AT 04:17PM (MST)[p]>Hey guys, I drew a region
>F tag for this year
>and will be a first
>timer on Muleys. I'll be
>coming from West Virginia and
>staying with an older friend
>in Powell whos limited in
>their mobility. I was looking
>for some advice on a
>good area to try... I've
>been looking at Carter mountain
>but wanted some feedback. I'm
>a former Marine so humping
>it in the high country
>shouldn't be a problem... Just
>need to know where to
>start.
>
>Thanks!

There's a big tree 20 miles west of Cody right off the east side of the road...! Seriously, people probably aren't going to give a newbie any more information than what is already in this thread and what MH and I mentioned in your first post on the thread you started. I do have one question for you though. How are you going to have a resident that has limited mobility help you when you are "humping" it up in the high country? I hope you know that if you want to go into the wilderness areas that he will have to sign G&F paperwork and he has to accompany you closely while you're in them!
 
I'll try to find that tree lol... Yeah the limited mobility of my friend does hinder my ability to go into wilderness areas. I've read all of the regulations so I'm pretty aware of what that means. I'm hoping to befreind someone experienced willing to show me the ropes.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-05-16 AT 10:46AM (MST)[p]>I'll try to find that tree
>lol... Yeah the limited mobility
>of my friend does hinder
>my ability to go into
>wilderness areas. I've read all
>of the regulations so I'm
>pretty aware of what that
>means. I'm hoping to befreind
>someone experienced willing to show
>me the ropes.


Good luck on that, as most will help a person on a website to some extent just like the great information on this thread, and I probably offer more help than most here and on several other sites I frequent. However, it takes a number of years to find good spots because they are getting very scarce as you can see from reading this thread. It sounds as if you want an exact area and that's why I made that tongue in cheek reference about the tree in my other post. I also wonder how you plan on staying with that friend up in Lovell and hunting the high country down around Cody. That sounds to me more like a vacation than a hunting trip dedicated to actually getting out in the primitive country for days at a time like we're talking about and not going back to town every night. There aren't many places, other than on a big ranch where you can go guided and stay in a cabin or lodge, that you can have decent success at getting a top class buck any more. I wish you well and thanks for your service from another that did 3 years back during Nam!
 

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