City Folk&Auto Tranny's? WTH?

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I've been looking/watching for a certain used truck with low mileage the last few years on KSL/SLC Tribune/Etc.
Have City folk became so lazy they don't wanna shift anymore or WTH?
Are 90% of pick-ups sold in the city Automatics?
Or are all people/Tards getting so lazy they don't wanna shift?

No smart remarks CUPSY,we know why you ain't shifting!
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You cant text, put on makeup, and shift bessy,:) actually most the trucks we have looked at around our area are auto.
 
Cat, I started looking for a manual tranny back in 2006 and by the time I found one it was Dec. 31 2006. I checked with Chev, who had the best warranty in the industry then, and Ford wich I
had owned 2 and was waiting to trade off the last of the 2, and then found a Dodge with a manual tranny. Bought it and have never looked back. When I was shopping,I found that the only way to get a standard tranny was to order it. Fug em, I got mine and ain't lettin it go for nuttin. BTW, I have had Chevy's and fords. Always been a chevy man but this 2007 , 3500 Dodge Ram Quad cab , long bed, is the best truck I have had. But I guess you know that.
 
I hear you Butt,
And Lil Red,Now I know why everybody in the city Opts for an automatic,it's that multi-tasking thing!}>}>}>
And Rug,No smart remarks or I'll have 1911 bring you down somebody that needs searched!}>}>}>
 
well, i damn sure aint no mechanic, so you'll have to excuse my ignorance. but whats wrong with an auto? my thinking ( which could be 100% backwards) is-- unless you REALLY know how to drive a stick right, wouldn't you be better letting it shift when it wants to?


also my dads 03 (i think)duramax has the Allison automatic transmission. aren't they supposed to be pretty awsome?

like i said- i'm no mechanic. i work with wood.

i do know back in high school , my dad and his mechanic friend built the engine in my first truck. it had an automatic transmission in it. everybody and their brother would get me to race them. all i did was put it in drive, step on the gas when they said go, and watch them in the rear view mirror:)
 
Here we go again B_PLOP

Just like an abused wife you just aren't happy unless you're getting beat to hell in a rough riding, deafened by some noisy monster muddered, staying busy shifting so you don't get beat, stinky smoke blowin "manly" truck. So you know, I had a bowl of cereal, cup of coffee, sent a couple texts and answered two phone calls hands free in my Chevy this morning on my way to town this morning. And all with one hand, one foot and one knee driving. :)
 
I'm calling BS on you NVB!
I'll bet you were doing even more than you mentioned?
 
LIKERBEE!
Comes a time I'll decide when it's time to shift!
Not a Damn Computer deciding for me!
Ya,the Allisons I guess are perty Awesome,guaranteed for 100K so I hear,got a good friend that just lost his Allison at 101K,think GM would warrant it?
He's not a happy camper right now,this Allison had regular tranny flushes & babied it's whole life,just out of warranty,but ya,Awesome!
 
One of my workers is begging for a new chevy with a manual. I called the dealer and he said the only way I could get a manual was to order the plainest truck chevy has and even then he wasn't sure what the options would be. He was confused and said it seemed to him as if manuals were going to be a thing of the past if things keep going the way they currently are.

Am I wrong or is it getting harder to order a manual transmission.



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>LIKERBEE!
>Comes a time I'll decide when
>it's time to shift!
>Not a Damn Computer deciding for
>me!
>Ya,the Allisons I guess are perty
>Awesome,guaranteed for 100K so I
>hear,got a good friend that
>just lost his Allison at
>101K,think GM would warrant it?
>
>He's not a happy camper right
>now,this Allison had regular tranny
>flushes & babied it's whole
>life,just out of warranty,but ya,Awesome!
>

again, just a question. like i said : i'm not a mechanic. i do think for someone who REALLY knows how to drive a manual it probably is great. and dont get me wrong, i have 1 manual transmission rig. but i deffinatly dont think that I'M good enough, at driving a stick, to warrent owning one for my main rig. i'm i making sence at all? i have buddies that are 100%stick shift guys. and they probably get their "extra 2 MPG" doing so. but i dont think most people are good enough to take advantage of it.

hell, i'm not afraid to admit it. if i was pulling a trailer, and had to come to a stop light on a good uphill road, in traffic, i'd be sweating bullets hoping i didn't kill it letting the clutch out! what can i say???
 
"Am I wrong or is it getting harder to order a manual transmission"

I was told the new ford diesels do not even have a manual anymore. Maybe I was told wrong????
 
my gas 1/2 ton f-150 when we bought it off the lot the salesman couldnt drive it ,,,, its a standard they couldnt wait to un load it they hated it told me it had set there over a year because NO ONE wanted a standard LOL i asked the sales guy his age , he was as old as me and he culdnt drive a standard shifting aint that hard :)
 
I own a couple of Aamco Transmissions and I do not see any real good reasons to have a manual.

Used to be mileage. With the new 5 speed autos and OD mileage is the same or better.

Used to be cheaper. Rebuilt a standard lately? $$$$$$ Have you replaced a dual mass fly wheel??? From the dealer it can be over $1000 for a diesal. Point is they are not cheaper.

Not to mention replacing clutches every 60K-120K $$$$

If you want to shift, shift your Auto trans manually when you think you need to.

Bess, your one of my favorites. Do your self a favor and get a AT.

Be one helluva lot easier to find the truck you want with the features you want and it is gonna be a lot easier to re sell it when the time comes.

Why punish yourself.





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NMPaul,
I like the hell out of you,I always have,but listen up!
My work rig has 211,000 miles on it now,never been in the shop one f'n time!
It averages 11,000+ pounds & twice that much when my trailer is behind it.
It doesn't have a POS dual mass flywheel!
Not one part/piece or bearing has been replaced on the clutch assembly yet!
Show me a tranny as tough as the 6 speed dodge and a tranny geared any better and a tranny that will out last it & I'll damn sure buy it!
"SHOW THEM TO ME"
"SHOW THEM TO ME"
In your Business I'm sure you like the Auto's!
I don't have anything against them other than they won't take the abuse I give a tranny!
Throw 800 ft pounds of torque at your Auto tranny day in & day out with a big load on it's back & lets see how long it lasts?
I've run about everything there is,didn't/haven't took other peoples word on it,just show me something better that'll last longer!
Not just a FORD,not just a CHEVY,not just a DODGE fan,just saying it the way it is!
 
Stop abusing your tranny bess!! you can get in trouble for that..


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Hey bessy, the iron trailer I haul average 30k lb and thats bumper pull on half of them. I've had up to 4 frac valves 3 manifolds, 3 separators and untold amounts of iron on a trailer at any given time. The trailer alone is too much for a half ton. The frac valves weigh 3k lbs each. a manifold is the same and separators are about 500 lbs each. Then the iron weighs another 3 to 4k lbs. I've put 150k miles on superduties and lost engines like crazy but have never once had any problem whatsoever with those torque shift transmissions and I assure you I'm pulling those trailers between 50 and 60 mph down wash board roads all the time. Come to think of it one of my pulling unit crews still has there 08 powerstroke and it has 185k miles on it and it has never been to the shop for anything. I've always felt the torque shifts were pretty wicked trannys. Maybe i've just been lucky. Who knows.




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Bess, there is nothing I can say. If you got 211K with out even replacing the clutch you are living right.

I would find the exact same Dodge you got (and yes steer clear of the dual mass flywheels) and buy it. Dont change a thing.

We make decent money on rebuilding manuals as well as ATs except some of the Ford sealed units.

Just know that the Manuals are going the way of the dinosaur, though where I live there are lots of them around.
 
I hear you NMPaul,
What can I say?
I've been looking for another one just like it but they all have high mileage or are automatics,the automatics in the same year of truck didn't hold up all that well.

Ford sealed units huh?
Sounds like a better idea?
Throw aways or what?

No clutch yet Paul,but I know that day is comming,I haven't heard anything unusual on any of it yet(knock on wood)

Just amazes me on certain years they can build good stuff & as time goes on how quickly they can screw it up!
 
Now that explains why BeBOP can't get good mileage and wears out his tires so fast....you ain't a teenager anymore so no need to go speeding and trying to turn every mountain road into a race track. What you going to do when the old knee joints start hurting and not working correctly....pop the clutch and leave the TRANNY IN THE ROADWAY.........LOL

Snort was right don't abuse that "tranny"..LOL

Brian
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OK I have the scoop, B_BOP_ALU_WHO__LU_BOB just called me. What he really meant to say was he is pissed that he could not find a truck with a tape player in it. Seems the last time he bought one it was in fact the 8 track and he had no idea CD's had even come out yet. I think we all needed to give him a break on this one.
 
Well RUGSTER?
I do remember Many of Trucks that had BORG WARNER T-18's & T-19's & cassette players in them,ask NMPaul if them are not indeed Good/Tough Tranny's?

Borg Warner was thinking about making a truck version of the T-56 six speed but thanks to CHEVY,FORD & DODGE not wanting to put just a little more money in to a Quality product they backed out,don't know about anybody else but if quality was an option I wouldn't mind paying a little extra?

Another thought?
The NASCAR Car Tranny's can be shifted(I mean yanked) up & down through the gears at 9,000 RPM without even using the clutch(how long would your average tranny/vehicle last if you tried that crap just once?)I don't see any of them running automatics?
 
lmao BB_LU_LO_WHO WHO,,, That Nascar stuff and shifting is all learned at Lagoon brother on the sit down cars. They can't change chit when they move up now can they????

Just razzin ya buddy !!!!!! Have a great day I am going to bed...
 
MAN!....Is this a great site or what?

Another mystery solved on MM!

Jed Clampitt is alive and retired (although somewhat senile)living in UTAH!

Please provide me with even one single advantage of a manual transmission in a pickup, as opposed to an automatic. In a MODERN world, there are none.
 
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> Please provide me with even
>one single advantage of a
>manual transmission in a pickup,
>as opposed to an automatic.
>In a MODERN world, there
>are none.

nickman, please see my post number 7 above. :)



I grew up on manual transmissions. I even knew all the numbers like B_PLOP does. We had T98s in several trucks, NP 435s, T18s, even three-on-the-tree. Put a Clark 5 speed in a 2 1/2 ton truck I still have.

But in my personal vehicle I love the auto trans. Yes I have had to have one or two rebuilt in the several decades I have been driving. I've also stuffed a few clutches and throwout bearings in some manuals and have one or two that are scattered piles of gears and bearings. I probably have as many vehicles and pieces of equipment as almost anybody. Some are standards, some are hydrostatic, power shift, etc. On my around the ranch pickups, the ONLY time I have ever wanted anything but an auto is when I had a dead battery and need to push or roll start.
 
B Bop. Like the others have said there really is no advantage to the Manual Trans. . The Auto Trans is here to stay. Even if you want to boost that Smoke Belcher to 2000 H.P. the Aftermarket has you covered.

I own a Company that builds Torque Converters and I can tell you the O.E. Transmissions are quite durable as compared to even 15 years ago. They have their limits and if people want to throw 1200 ft lbs of Torque and 25,000 lbs Tow Loads on their Truck come see NM Paul and I to get hooked up with the proper upgrades.
 
The stick shifts just get in the way...



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Well nickman,
I never knew you were that lazy till now,we already knew NVB was too involved with multi-tasking to ever consider shifting a manual tranny,but you nickman? I'll bet it makes you tired just watching the NASCAR drivers shift?

TAGATTRACTER?
Ya,boost the power,I noticed you QUICKLY said:"Aftermarket has you covered"
I've never needed an upgrade on this truck yet,WTF?
My friends Allison that lasted 1000 miles past the warranty needs to come & see you though.(His was babied,never pulled anything & never chipped,WTF?)

All I can say is there sure is getting to be some LAZY asses in this world!
Wait till next year boys(And NVB) all you'll have to do is 'talk to the truck' since you're getting LAZY you might as well start bitchhing you don't wanna pull the auto stick in to gear,it's just too much of a bother for you,that model is coming out next year & for a mere 80K you can probably have it soon.

I surely don't have anything against a good automatic,just wondering when somebody like FORD,DODGE or CHEVY might star building one that will last like they should?

Kinda funny,the guys that build dragsters can modify C-6's & Powerglide trannys to take more abuse than anybody could possibly give them & you hardly ever see one of their trannies explode!

So my question is to NMPaul,
What options are there for a diesel pick-up running 1,000 ft lbs of Torque(Yes NVB I said 1,000!)in a LAZY mans tranny & what do they cost?
And yes for one that won't fall apart?

JFP!
 
Bess, I asked my builder your question (he knows a helluva lot more than me) and I was surprised by his answer.

He Said to find yourself another manual if you were able to get that many miles out of it under those conditions. He did say they are still a stronger trans. Though he thought some of the older ones are better than some of the new ones when it comes to manuals.

Rating the 3 trannys.

Chevy. The Allison he gave the edge to being strongest, problem is (this is my opinion) it is part of a chevy and the truck becomes a rattle trap after 100K and half the crap electronics do not work after 100K.

Next he said the Dodge 618 pretty strong.

Last is the Ford 5R10 which is basically the new E4OD.

These are of course opinions which are like you know what. However, I would place my faith in his opinion over anyone else I know.

I would really get after finding a low mile Manual. It worked good for you and obviously you are shifting it right.
Go on Auto trader and even if you have to go a ways to pick up the truck it may be worth it to you. SLC must have a huge population base that you could find a truck there, but, check Las Wages, and maybe Denver and make a day of it or take a one way flight after you nail down the deal. And make sure your triple A is paid up before head home.





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Well NMPaul,
I'm just stating the truth,it ain't been touched yet & I'll admit,The best I've ever had/drove,a load on it's back every day,I'll give credit where credit is due rather it be a FORD,DODGE or CHEVY!

Here where I live they beat trucks up like no other,I've heard nothing but good out of the NEW Dodge auto's behind the Cummins,but they are fairly new & I in my oppinion ain't been tested long enough yet to be failsafe?
Would that be the 618 you mentioned?

I've looked all over,you find 3 catagories in what I'm looking for:
1: High Mileage 6 speeds 175,000+ miles
2: The owner loves it & won't trade it for nothing.
3: I have found a few low mileage Auto's & the owner wants damn near what he paid for it in 03-04!

I'll probably never find what I'm looking for & can't really justify 60k+ on a damn pick-up!

I'd like to bolt this engine to NVB's or RUS's Girlie Auto Tranny & show them how quick I could destroy it for them!}>}>}>}>}>
 
B Bop. Seems like the Manual Trans suits you best and I am not trying to change your mind. Just wanted to throw out an informed opinion.

I was raised in my Parents Transmission Shop and have been building Torque Converters exclusively since 1977. You pretty much made my point about the Drag Racers with C-6 and Powerglides. Being in the Trans business in the 1970's was pretty much a license to print Money . Lots of Auto Trans of the C-6 era would fail before 80k miles. Most failures were an easy fix where the Cast Iron Sealing Rings would groove a Drum and Trans Failure was inevitable. The racers have also turned to the Aftermarket and now can throw huge power at those Trans types reliably. My point was that todays Automatic Transmissions are more reliable than ever. And if that isn't reliable enough the Aftermarket has a product that is.

The newest Dodge Trans is called the 68RFE. By all accounts it is even better than the 618 but only time will tell.

I agree with NM Paul in the order of Trans toughness based on the numbers that come thru My Business.
 
B-Bop - I have had two standard transmissions while I have lived in Big Cities - and I just want to say this - spend just a week in this crazy stop and go traffic and you will definitely see the reason why us "city folk" ride automatic transmissions. Then come on a drive to downtown Austin with me and I will show you why we don't call them "tranny's" either!


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Thanks for the info TAG,
Like I mentioned before,I have nothing against a QUALITY built auto tranny that will take what I give them,problem is,so far I've never had any that would take the abuse after a fashion.

I've talked to several locals with the new DODGE 68RFE you mention & they love em(so far) most of these guys only have 25-75K miles on them so like you say,only time & abuse will tell the true story.

New trucks are spendy and the time you do all the upgrades the brand new ones need you can sink alot of money in to one rig!

I'd have to start with the Obama pipe,that f'r would have to go!
Replace it with a straight pipe!
Then a programmer & not get to wild with it!
Then an up-graded tranny to hold it!
Good Gawd,just to get it to where you could use it & have some reliability!

I don't really need a 12" SmokeStack comming up through the bed,but it sure would be funny to see NVB & RUS inhale,LMAO!
 
Your welcome B Bop. I think you are placing blame in the right direction also. The Aftermarket can fix these Transmission's , you think the Big 3 can't figure it out ? Too many Government restrictions and the easiest way to increase Fuel Mileage is to make things lighter which often meens cheaper and not as strong.

I can tell you without a doubt that the Converter in the new 68RFE is a huge improvement over past models. They now incorparate a Multi- Clutch Lockup system like the Aftermarket has been doing for years.

Good luck with your search.
 
Bess, you crack me up. You act like I said I've never driven a stick. I've driven and owned plenty of each. Hell I just looked around my yard and I have 18 internal combustion engines parked within eyesight. Pretty sure a few of them have standards.

Here is an example of why I like an auto in my around the place rig. I went back and counted the number of times I was in and out of my pickup in the last 30 hours. Now bear in mind I was in a three hour meeting and I slept for 5 hours. But in 22 awake hours I can account for at least 53 times I got out of my pickup to do something. Many times I was only in the truck for less than a minute while I drove to the other end of a ditch. Many times I was only out of the truck for half that. If I drove a manual transmission rig it would have rolled in the ditch a several times just today when I forgot to set the parking brake. :)

But I am wondering what you are doing to that smoke belcher. You keep modifying it and no one will be able to build you a tranny. In post 18 you said it has 800 lbs of torque and by post 30 it had already grown to 1000. :)
 
My rig does have 800 NVB!!!

When I mentioned 1,000,I was referring to what the next rig would have if I ever get another one,I was asking NMPaul what mods to an auto tranny would need be to hold the 1,000,yes NVB,1,000 is not hard to achieve,just hard to get a tranny that'll hold it!
 
I like the idea of a 16 speed there NVB!
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