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Coalition: Forest Service Working Silently on Plans That Could Close Thousands of Recreation Sites
By Bill Schneider, 8-30-06

My inbox is full every morning, but this morning is was full of really bad news, mainly a long report from the Western Slope No-Fee Coalition. In the six-page report and accompanying press release, the coalition, which has been the main force in fighting the RAT (Recreation Access Tax) being rapidly imposed and enforced on national forests and Bureau of Land Management lands, blasted a secret plan by the Forest Service to close or privatize vast numbers of recreation sites, even the majority of the sites on some national forests.

In the report, the coalition charges that since at least 2002, the FS has been secretly implementing a policy initiative called Recreation Site Facility Master Planning (RSFMP) that threatens to impose a for-profit model on the management of all developed recreation sites on America's 155 national forests.

"The RSFMP program is going to send shockwaves through National Forest gateway communities nationwide," said President Robert Funkhouser in the press release. "This will impact local communities' economies, public health, and quality of life."

Funkhouser pointed out that among the management actions planned or already underway are removal of toilets, capping of drinking water systems, and bulldozing of campsites.

According to the coalition, no public or congressional review of the RSFMP policy has yet occurred. Although 22 Forests have completed five-year RSFMP site closure plans and implementation has begun, none of the plans have been publicly released. The coalition actually obtained two complete plans Deschutes and Tongass National Forests) and partial information about three more forests. From the data available so far the coalitions projects that between 3,000 and 5,000 recreation sites will be closed or decommissioned, and as many as 4,000 more will be converted to fee sites or turned over to private for-profit concessionaires to manage.

I called the Northern Region offices of the FS in Missoula and talked to Terry Knupp, regional coordinator for this program. Clearly, the Northern Region is not the focal point of the coalition's criticism because the process is moving more slowly and cautiously. Also, Knupp assures that there are some plans to involve the public at least on site-specific decisions. "We have a responsibility to keep the public safe and to keep these sites healthy," Knupp points out.

According to Knupp, national policy coming from the Bush Administration, not any Act of Congress or official administrative rule, is requiring the preparation of the RSFMP plans. The Northern Region (Montana and northern Idaho) plans to have the plans done be the end of next year. Standards have been set, Knupp explains, and each site must be operated to those standards. If there is a toilet at a trailhead, for example, it needs to be cleaned regularly.

If there isn't enough money in the budget to operate to standards, Knupp says some action must be taken, such as closing the recreation site, removing facilities, turning it over to a concessionaire, or getting volunteers to operate or clean the site. Another option is charging a fee, but unlike other FS regions, the Northern Region has been cool on this idea.

Also, apparently, the Northern Region is better off, budget-wise, than other regions. "It's early in the process, but right now it doesn't look like we will have to remove many facilities in order to operate to standards," Knupp predicts. "It doesn't look like we have to take drastic actions."

But the coalition report contains damning details from other regions. In Oregon's Deschutes National Forest, for example, only 14 out of 212 existing developed recreation sites will remain open and free to public use. The rest will be closed and obliterated, converted to fee sites or turned over to private concessionaires.

Ditto for three Colorado national forests where the same fate awaits 72 percent of the developed recreation sites.

The basic objective of the secret plans, according to the coalition, is to make all recreation sites "sustainable," which means they must generate enough income to pay for themselves. If not, they must be closed, obliterated or turned over to the private sector for management.

In the report's conclusion, coalition calls on national forest users to demand that the RSFMP plans be subjected to public comment and review as specified in the National Environmental Policy Act, just like forest management and travel plans. The group also called for Congress to scrutinize the program to ask for an audit of FS recreation spending compared to appropriated funds.

"It is imperative that this secret policy see the light of day," concluded Funkhouser. "This is a drastic change to National Forest recreation management that should not be allowed to proceed behind closed doors."
 
Its amusing that your title for this article is "Bush closing public camping. . " You epitomize the liberal media.

This sounds to me as a way to decrease govt spending. Maybe well spend those extra dollars on getting to the bottom of the global warming issue as your daddy Al Gore said today. Hes already primed for a run at the presedency.
 
dog gone Bush now he's done it..bet he's gonna take Pluto out of the solar system too.
 
>Its amusing that your title for
>this article is "Bush closing
>public camping. . "
>You epitomize the liberal media.
>
>
>This sounds to me as a
>way to decrease govt spending.
> Maybe well spend those
>extra dollars on getting to
>the bottom of the global
>warming issue as your daddy
>Al Gore said today.
>Hes already primed for a
>run at the presedency.


Responses like that will get us another thread like this...

http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...z=show_thread&om=3008&forum=DCForumID11&omm=0

My friend had a dog that died recently and I am pretty sure that GW killed him! Damn that guy...

Drum
 
Sometimes I forget that Bush is just the president and you can't blame him for ANYTHING, thanks for reminding me. if you guys could just get that message to the rest of America maybe his approval rating would be ove 40%.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-06 AT 09:25AM (MST)[p]I wonder if a few of you guys even read the article. Here's an excerpt,

"According to Knupp, national policy coming from the Bush Administration, not any Act of Congress or official administrative rule, is requiring the preparation of the RSFMP plans."


Now, I'm not bashing the guy, I would have added administration to the title of the thread, but it WOULD NOT FIT! Truth be told, it is his administration, therefore he's responsible. You dont pass the buck if youre the boss, if your a worker, you ride for the brand, or you move on. If you choose to leave your boss, or take credit for his doings, you move on. . . So, yes, this is a Bush deal and that's why he gets the credit.

If you don't think Bush is behind this, than explain the quote from the article, and then talk about how you would be affected by the policy and the plans.

Now back to the real point of this article - the POLICY. I would really like to hear what people think about this very draconian approach to public lands management, especially coming from a president that claims to support local control. . .




"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
I think since the plan to sell off public land didn't go over to well this is the next best idea they had, either make money off public land or make it so people get to the point they don't care if the land is sold because it's such a hassle or they can't afford to go there. wouldn't Teddy Roosevelt be proud of this bunch.
 
It's amazing. This policy could change the way we use our public lands, it's a complete federal taking of the publics right to be involved in the management of its public lands, and all the right has to comment about is what I've said with no thought or consideration for the issues.

I think this plan is horrible. Bulldoze our places so we can shift the USFS monies to a broken set of domestic and international policies - what happen to the Republican Party that used to debate and discuss issues? What happened to the party that used to be focused on the needs of the people of THIS nation? What happened to the party that would have made sure that NO administration would come to their districts and plow over a historical and locally significant area without discussing it with at least the local grandfathers? What happened to individual rights? This proposal is a un republican and as big a "big-brother" approaches as I've seen. . .

What gives guys, are people in some kind of Bush-trance that wont allow them to say, wait a minute, you cant roll in here and shut down my hunting camps!

Wow, I'm shocked that there's not more agreement on this issue and even more surprised that the right is not willing to step up and protect their own rights. . .

Slippery slope boyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and girlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
 
I did in fact read the article and it sounded to me that supporting these facilities is a drain on the govt budget. Most places where I live that have bathrooms and other things that need to be kept up already charge a small fee for camping. I imagine it is some sort of liability issue with keeping things sanitary. Do you frequent public camp sites? I dont and if they bulldozed all of them I could give a crap as long as you were still able to use the area. I dont need a port a chitter or running water or any other amenities for that matter.

Now Im not a Bush Loyalist and I dont agree with these sneaky tactics, but to me public use areas should be self supportive or supported by the local economy. I do feel we haver bigger issues such as govt sponsored health care, welfare, unemployment, and 50% of all the pointless govt jobs.
 
The sites need to "pay for themselves". Classic Bush admin.. Cut every forest management fund continually until there is no budget to manage these places, then dismantle them and "privatize" them like everything else. He want's the Forest Service to be a "moneymaker" and does not take in to account the money that has already been set aside previously for these thing's that he's diverted elsewhere.
 
Look guys this is not the Socialist Republic of The United States. The Government out side of a few national Parks along with the land it uses to run and train our armies, the Government has no business at all what so ever owning any other land. Sell it all. Why some are so willing to let the Government munipulate and control their lives is beyond me. Have we not given up enpough allready that we as Americans can't own all this great country.
 
Absolutly not.
Control over your life is what that is all about.
It is like hangigng a piece of candy out in front of a bunch of underprivledged kids and watching them fight over it. Rediculous. Then why some people fall all over themselves for rights to public land for this or that...............I just don't understand that thinking.
 
Wow, have you ever been on public land before? I don't even know what to say to that.
 
Yep been all over it. Hunted it and poked cows on it. Government does a crappy job of protecting it and uses it as tool of control.

You don't know what to say cause it has never been put to you in those terms. Makes stop and think don't it.
 
Makes me stop and think , think WOW. I can't believe a hunter ( except from Texas maybe ) would think that way. I own enough land that I have bird hunting and fair deer and elk hunting but I can't imagine not having public land , what about most people who would have no place to go? I think I'll just stick with " WOW ".
 
TFinal - how reliable is this source? I am not close to the issue so I wouldn't know. But I have a hard time believing everything that pops up on the internet about "secret documents" and "secret plans". If it is true it is a terrible idea and we should push our congressmen and senators to review the policy and shut it down.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I agree with huntdude on this! Yes, you heard me right! 202, lets sell all the land to Ted Turner! I am sure he would let you take pictures of domestic buffalo!!!!

The only bobcat suggesting therapy and a long vacation to 202 notverytypical!!!!!!!!!
 
"Have we not given up enpough allready that we as Americans can't own all this great country."

Serpiously Dupe, put the bmeer downnnowww OK?
 
Wow, the next thing you know Bush is going to convert a bunch of public lands to "National Monuments" and limit hunting/travel without any public input......oh, wait a minute........
 
thats a very good point. only, the big difference is tha BUSH has bankrupt the goverment and is attemting shurk the federal responsiblity by just closing it down. In doing so he able to reallocate funds from what congress decided is best, to what the administration decided is best. all leaders do it, but in this case, Bush got caught with his hands in the cookie jar. If wants to preserve more land in order for the unborn members of this great nation to have to expore and to manage, more power to him. I'm all for mazimixing out our future opportunities, in fact, if we really were smart, we would burn all the worlds oil before we burn our own. . .
 
Tfinal,

This government was dead broke well before Bush 2 got there. He damn sure has made it worse but we were already broke.

JB
 
we had a surplus meaning no deficit. Our national dept was huge then and is getting bigger now.

JB
 
The debt has gone up $1.74 billion a day since September 30 2005 and each American now owes $28,478.00, with the war and interest rates up that number will go out of sight.
 

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