Brian Latturner

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LAST EDITED ON May-20-08 AT 10:04AM (MST)[p] Are you this Brian Latturner?
http://www.kutv.com/content/outdoors/story.aspx?content_id=0bf5884a-6ec3-4cf5-92e5-bee057138f78
If so I would love a little first hand Llama info .

OK I looked a little more and you are. Would you consider spreading a little first hand info on Llama use? My basic concerns in the past have been from hearing if the animals get a wet snow on them the can get hypothermia and die. I also wondered what you did with them during the "off" time. Do you hobble them, high line them, etc? For one guy and two llamas how much food for the llamas need be packed per day by weight? Would you feel a high country hunt with them in mid Oct. would be safe for them as far as the weather goes??
 
Been on 2 hunts with them damn things. They stink, they have a mind completely of their own and if they don't want to move, you can't make them. We left one in the Uintas 3 years ago. We spent 3 days trying to get that thing to go with us. We told the ranger about the lama. He went in on a horse and it was standing in the same spot we had left it. He had to litterally pull the stupid thing out by a rope. I wouldn't have a lama if you gave it to me. I would pack 100 lbs on my back 50 miles before I would ever let one of those things ruin another hunt. JMO.

It's always an adventure!!!
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i was also curious about llamas and posted a ? in the general forum. there is several responses both good and bad .i guess it is like anything you get out of it what you put in to it.i have seen some bad horse tricks also and that was just on the farm!
 
That was me.

As far as hypothermia, I don't know, but they do live outside year-round in many areas of the country. I don't think they like getting wet, but I always tie them in an area where they can get some shelter.

Once in camp, I tie them off on a 30 foot lead rope. I've never had one get tangled up like a horse will, that's why I like taking them, they require far less attention.

You don't need to pack food for the llamas. They eat grass, flowers, etc. If the snow is too deep for them to dig through, it's probably too deep for them to be packing through.

I think using pack llamas in October is not a problem at all.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Thanks Brian. Like anything there are a lot of pro's and con's on the stuff we use. Getting a meat pack out only is not an option most times. The packers usually want you to go all the way or charge you like you did. I have been looking over llamas and or goats for a while now and I just think that the llama option would let me be more free to hunt the way I like/want to. I think it is the only way I am ever going to get and elk trip together. Thanks for the input on them.

Pat
 
Willy, don't know much bout Llamas except my horses don't like them. An idea though is renting horses, if even just to lead in. Personally, although I have 2 and am buying another, sometimes I wonder why. Just trailering them to a hunt costs $$ in fuel, plus feed, vet bills, farrier costs, tack, trailer, etc. I know in most of Wy and Co you can get rentals delivered to your camp or trailhead for about $300 a week.

I just enjoy the whole DIY thing and packing my own stock in enhances the experence. In Colorado, several buddies rent regularly. I've packed game with these animals, saddled and briddled them for these guys and most were good and a few were great. Just a thought.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-28-08 AT 06:33AM (MST)[p]I have thought of horses , and Wolfley's delivers as do several places I have found. I am just not sure I am "horsey" enough, PLUS one of the places I go ( Please let me draw this year ) I would have to go up and down every day for horse water unless I find water I do not know about now. IF it winds up dry out there this year I am going to have to drop 1000 or so every day just for my needs. There my be something I do not know about over at the old wagon train pass but I like to stay out of there as the animals use it a lot.
 
You are right, horses require some of your time. I've actually been on a couple of hunts where the only water the horses got was when we crossed creeks while hunting. We had to take time so they could get their fill and even go back before riding to camp. BUT a horse can pack a couple of days worth of water in inflatable water jugs in panniers. They drink less if they are picketed in camp.

Its what you are comfortable with but for getting in and packing out game, horses or mules can't be beat. There are trade-offs. Good luck.
 
Maybe I need to get in touch with a few friends here locally and my cousin and get some more horse time in??? It has been a LOT of years since I have been up on a hay burner but maybe it is like a bicycle and you never really forget. Now besides running and backpacking I'll have to get riding time in to keep saddle sores away ;-) or get some pantyhose to wear . That is out of a book, very funny, I'm a Charley Dickey fan and it was in his book Opening Lines and Parting Shots. It talked about all he did to hide the fact he was wearing them to keep saddle sores away and then after the hunt he overheard the guides collecting each others pantyhose they had worn to help since it was the first hunt of the year and they were not real used to riding again either. Guess you had to read it to appreciate it...
 
I couldn't help myself from replying to your posts.

I've had horses, llamas, and goats. I've also rented horses, so I think I have a good knowledge base to draw from.

The llamas are the worst choice in my opinion. They stink, and if they decide they don't want to go, you will have a hard time getting them to move.
I packed into H several years back with one and had a little trouble getting him to go. I owned him, and he trained all summer, but when it came to the real deal he balked on the trail.
I also have to tell you llamas can and do get tangled in the ropes when you tie them in camp.
I was having a nap one day during a howling storm when I faintly heard some grunting. I finally realized it was my llama. I jumped up and went over to the tree he was tied to and found him upside down with the rope around his legs, and his neck was inside it too. He was having a hard time breathing, and had I not been there, he may have cashed it in right there.
I don't like llamas, and after 5 different ones, I don't think I"ll ever be needing another one to hunt with.

The goats are good, and I liked them, but it takes several of them to get the job done. If you ever take a friend or hunting partner, you need even more of them.

I owned a few horses, and a mule. They were good, but they weren't awesome. Now that I've had more experience, I know what kind of horse I need to pack on, and what kind of bullshit I won't tolerate with a horse.

I rented a couple of horses and packed into Colorado to the high country a couple of years ago. The horses were absolutely bombproof. One of them was slower than the other one, and we had to wait a little for him to keep up, but we did 13 miles in and out without a problem. The guy we rented from rented us a pannier that slipped over the saddle so we could ride the horse in, and pack our stuff with us. We had been backpacking, so we just put our backpacks and food in the panniers and rode in.

We are lightweights anyway, so the horses didn't even mind having the 225 lbs on them.

The difference between average horses, and bombproof horses is the whole advantage to having a good trip with no problems.

I think if I had to choose, I would rent a single horse, and go in light like I was backpacking so I could ride the horse in to save my legs. I'd talk to the rental guy and tell him I wasn't the most experienced horseman, and be honest with him. Ask him if he can get you his most bombproof gentle, no b.s. horse. He knows what everyone of them will do in any situation. If you aren't comfortable riding it, I'd lead it in with all my gear in the panniers. Then you'll have an animal that can and will pack out the animal you kill.

Good horses are awesome, and the rental guys normally have VERY good stock because they can't afford to have problems with them.
I own a couple of mini excavators that I rent out, and the problems I have are because of the idiots that rent them, not because of the machines. It's the same with horses. Most rental guys know they will be renting them to idiots about half the time, so they have to have extremely good stock to prevent as many problems as they can to spare them the idiot factor problems.

I'm sure you could rent goats, or llamas that are extremely well trained as well, and you could have a great trip with them too. I just don't see any reason to rent something that can't pack me in, and my trophy out.

Good luck on the hunt.
 

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