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'For what it's worth ... I've read, and then re-read every word in the note below, and believe it's one of the very few letters I've ever received that merit forwarding.

This is the most cogent and powerful essay on the threat of Islamic terrorism I have seen. Dr. Vernon Chong is, without a doubt, the most articulate and convincing writer I have read regarding the War in Iraq If you have any doubts, please open your mind to his essay and give it a fair evaluation. It's also eerily applicable to other current issues, such as Iran 's nuclear program, immigration, NAFTA's impact on American jobs, trade deficits, etc. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is, or the source of these thoughts, so when I received them, I almost deleted them, as well-written as they are. But then I did a Google search on the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air Force surgeon and past commander of Wilford Hall</ I> Medical Center in San Antonio .'



If you would like to see who this fine man is, go to this Air Force web site and look him up:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000'


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Muslim terrorists and the U.S.A. :

A different spin on the war in Iraq: This WAR is REAL



Dr.. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired



To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).



The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means.



First, let's examine a few basics:



1 When did the threat to us start?



Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer, as far as the United States is concerned, is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;

* Pentagon 2001.



(Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide.)



2 Why were we attacked?



Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessor, President Ford.



3 Who were the attackers?



In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.



4 What is the Muslim population of the World?



25%.



5 Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?



Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including
7,000 Polish priests).



(see http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm



Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy in killing anyone who got in the way of his extermination of the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian, or any others.



Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US , but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, British, French or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements
-- killing all of us 'infidels.' I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was t o remain silent or be killed?



6 So who are we at war with?



There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.



So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1 Can we lose this war?



2 What does losing really mean?



If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:



We can definitely lose this war and, as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?



It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home, and going on about our business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.



What losing really means is:



We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but, rather, will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.



We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and cannot help them..



They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.



The next will probably be France . Our one hope with France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished, too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France . France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast.



Without our support, Great Britain will go, also. Recently, I read that there are more mosques in England than churches.



If we lose the war, our production, income, exports, and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the Muslim terrorists, how could anyone else?



The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We'd better know it, too, and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.



Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.



So, how can we lose the war?



Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by 'imploding.' That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose and failing to dig in and lend full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.



Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation:



President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights to which we have become accustomed. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.



And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory ... and, in fact, added many more since that time.



Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?



No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.



Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose.



I think some actually do. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends and it does great damage to our cause.



Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues, and otherwise murdering their own just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.



And, just a few years ago, these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq . And, still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally of the beheading of American prisoners they held.



Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the 'humiliating' of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but 'humiliating' them.



Can they be for real?



The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in, and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.



To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again, I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for many years.



These people are a serious and dangerous liability to the war effort. We must take note of who they are and get them out of office. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States , but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.



We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful, and smart that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that, with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world. We can't!



If we don't recognize this, our nation, as we know it, will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.



And, finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.



This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self- inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.



If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach, little by little, on the established French traditions.



The French will be fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?



Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.



And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.



Muslims have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who the few will be controlling the masses.



What is happening in Iraq is a good example. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct about the 'peaceful Muslims?'



I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said before: If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now, after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about. Do whatever you can to preserve it. I reiterate: our national election is under way.



After reading the above, we all must do this, not only for ourselves, but for our children, our grandchildren, our country, and our world. Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal ... and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world.



Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our 'leaders' in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those who find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!



Lastly, I wish to add: at the risk of offending, I sincerely think that anyone who rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the seriousness of this issue, or just deletes it without sending it on, is part of the problem. Let's quit laughing at and forwarding the jokes and cartoons which denigrate and ridicule our leaders in this war against terror. They are trying to protect the interests and well being of the US and it's citizens. Best we support them.



GOD BLESS AMERICA
 
I pretty much have to agree with the concept.

I submit that within the next 18 months, America is going to get a major wake up call, right here at home. Complacency has become a spreading virus in America, and it is going to eat us up.....
 
When he failed to include Israel as a major if not THE major reason we are getting attacked he lost all credibility.

Until there is a solution to the Israel -Palistine problem diplomatic progress with the Muslims is not going to happen. as he says 25% of the worlds population is Muslim so genocide isn't an option, and you can't just kill the bad ones Iraq is proof of that. other Muslim nations are going about their business as if nothing has changed in Iraq, add it all up and the Iraq war means nothing. the fact is we're going to have to live with Muslims hating us like it or not, pep talks about who, why and how don't change anything. good try though.
 
I think part of the speech was plagarized from Pope Urban II speech in 1096 which called for the first Crusade. So how does this fight ever end without total genocide the answer, it doesn't. 19% of the world's population is Islamic and 17% is Christian so folks you are now a minority.
 
hunindude just wondering.... you seem to be against every plan on this site... granted this is a predominately conservative site and you usually lean to the liberal end of the spectrum, but what are your actual opinions. What should we do in Iraq, how can we solve the imminint economic crisis, and what makes you lean towards democratic candidates.... again i am not disagreeing with you... just wondering
 
Marksman
You nailed dude correctly. He is a contrarian, taking a view contrary to any view stated. He disagrees for the sake of disagreeing. No intelectual honesty, no commitment to rational thought, just argue the opposite view.
 
caelkhnter,


You are correct in your statement on Dude. However I go one further and will say that pretty much summerizes all liberals.
 
Is thinking as the majority of do Americans contrarian? or just not in line with the Bush bunny mentality?

There is no solution to Iraq, Cheney said it a few years ago and Bush Sr. was smart enough to see it. it wasn't my idea to break it so why do I have to fix it anyway? but if it was up to me I'd probably draw troops down at what ever rate conditions would allow and tell the Iraqis you better step up . al Sadr showed last week the Iraqis can't handle it yet but I doubt they ever will, if they fail so be it Iraq will remain just one more screwed up country full of screwed up idiots in screwed up part of the world. it only takes a half a dozen whackos to attack us as we saw on 9/11 so it's insane to think we can solve all our problems with an Iranian buddy government in Iraq anyway . I might remind some of you again the 9/11 bombers were SAUDIS not IRAQIS in the first place so just as the Iraq war wouldn't have prevented 9/11 it probably won't prevent the next Saudi,Irainian,Palistinian,Serbian,Lebanese or even domestic Muslim attack now will it? with that logic knock out one gang in NYC and we'ld eliminate crime in America, yeah that makes sense.

The economy? it will fix itself as it always does, Bush is leading us down a path of socialism with goverment bail outs and gaurantees to prevent any discomfort. I agree with a minimal amout of damage control but I feel it's going too far.

With Bush's approval rating at 29% and 2 out of 3 Americans wanting out of Iraq I'm not sure where some of you get your sense of superiority. it's you who are on the defensive you just aren't up to speed enough to know it.
 
See again - Dude part of the problem - no solutions. More and more of your posts show exactly how delusional you have become. No real thoughts or insights just more anti-bush rants.

Who brought up the economy in this post?

Who brought up Bush's approval rating?

Then again several us has shown on here how to Win the War. Yet you come on here spouting how Bush's approval rating is 29%. Well at least it is better than the approval rating of the Democratically controlled congress.

I will state it as plainly as possible - want to win the war on terrorism? Then get behind the war. Continue using wiretaps. Continue waterboarding. Support the war in Iraq. Support the war in Afgan - they are one in the same. This war will last for a long time - accept that fact - it has been going on for a long time already - we just did not recognize it. If we could get the ignorant people to pull there heads out and see this war for what it is. Our continued freedoms, our continued liberty of this great country and to protect those freedoms and liberties for our children and our grandchildren. Get the American people behind this war - you do not have to be a Bush supporter to do this. But get behind the philosophy of the war then perhaps the radical Islam ideas will fade.

Get it through your heads they want you dead! They want your children dead! They want every person that is not Muslim DEAD! Someway somehow that idealogy must change or we will either succomd to them or die. For me I like my freedoms, I like my religion and I want to live.
 
Well when you learn to read you can look at Marksman's post where he asked me what I thought about the economy and the war. sorry to tell you but not only do I not care about your opinion but you're not the only one posting here.

The rest of your rant says you want to win, now that's some deep thinking and very original. how do you plan to do that and what is Iraq going to gain you ? as has been said winning is a goal not a strategy, what's your stategy? don't say stay the course that would be just too funny.

As I said you're the minority on this so you prove your point I don't have to, get ouside MM and you'll see the world left you behind a few years ago. just for old times sake throw in " you're with us or you're against us " in your next retro rant.
 
Wish I knew. 25 Million reward would certainly be worth a .300UM bullet.

I would probably say somewhere in a cave in the mountains in Pakistan. And unless his head is worth starting WWIII I would say we will have to wait for him to move or get a Pakistan govt that will allow us in.


But go ahead and continue to be the ostridge that has been the representative of the Demo party. Time will tell.
 
Hidding in a spider hole.......where do you think!!!! Losing credability and power ever single day. Because we are kicking the sh$% out of his insurgents by the thousands and Iraq and Afganastan are on there way to being fixed and we will have a base in the middle of the place that wants to hurt us the most. It doesn't get much better than that so get over yourself and OBL!



"Thanks climate PhD 202" - TFinalshot Feb-05-08, 02:16 PM (MST)
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-08 AT 12:51PM (MST)[p]Okay, if we had gone after him like we were lead to believe we had planned too, he'd be dead. Instead, Bush got us offtrack and took his dumb melon off the ball, when asked of Bush, "where's OBL" he said, "I dont know, I dont really pay attention to him."

Ahhhhhhhh, maybe that's why we dont have him, because dumb dumb forgot about 9/11 and instead wanted sadam's butt. . .
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-08 AT 03:59PM (MST)[p]>prove your point I don't
>have to,


Dude - Why do you even post then? You're not trying to prove a point and you offer no solutions. You must just be a pessimistic person that's mad at the whole world.


Tfinal - Where's OBL? You act like GW is the first person to ever want to kill OBL. My how we have forgotten that old Billy Bob could have solved it all with OBL and didn't because he was afraid. OBL isn't Bush's fault. There are many who have had their chance and failed.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-08 AT 08:20AM (MST)[p]huntindude.... you stated that bush is trying to bail out the economy.... isn't that what happend in the 30's.... granted that was on a much larger scale.... but what about all the programs that Rosevelt, a democrat initiated, They were ingenious... by no way am i comparing George W. to one of our greatest presidents of all time... but i am only saying if you look to our past the economy doesn't just fix itself.. the economy is largely reliant upon our government... whether that is good or bad is a completely different issue

And what would you do in Iraq in 5 years after withdrawl if insurgents have take over and created an environment as dangerous to American citizens as Afganistan pre 9-11

I like a good debate... not trying to provoke anyone... don't want to attack your character or personality, just wondering how democrats form their decesions
 
I'll take a crack at that, christians would be much the better off because if things get that bad it would signal the end of the world, ie, armageddon. . . ?
 
I just want to hear an answer to that question... the chances of insurgants taking over after a U.S. withdrawl are to great... I hope to God that in 5 years the press isn't hounding another President because we withdrew from Iraq and have to reinvade it.
 

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