beman enough for elk
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elkantler75
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i shoot the lightest arrow setup that i can with an 85 gr. broadhead for elk. complete pass through every time. just dont hit the shoulder.
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proutdoors
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I prefer a heavier arrow for elk, it will penetrate BETTER and be less likely to snap when hitting a bone. Shot placement is key, but we all know there will be marginal hits from time to time in the field, I prefer to err on the side of caution.
Again, a heavrier arrow will penetrate BETTER than a lighter one 100 out of 100 times.
PRO
Again, a heavrier arrow will penetrate BETTER than a lighter one 100 out of 100 times.
PRO
>I am with ya pro...I am
>realy set up for deer
>in the back of my
>mind...I have priced some 2317s...they
>are 13gpi...would give me another
>90 grains....and alot more sight
>pins...LOL
A slower, heavier arrow will not give you more sight pins, you will have less pins. And if you plan on shooting out to any kind of distance, knowing the exact yardage becomes very critical as your arrow is arching more, therefore dropping much more as it travels. Being off by 5 yards on your yardage could mean a complete miss. A lighter, faster arrow will help in yardage errors a little more as it flys flatter.
IMHO a total finished arrow weight of around 400-450 grains is ideal for pretty much everything in the US.
Lien2
>realy set up for deer
>in the back of my
>mind...I have priced some 2317s...they
>are 13gpi...would give me another
>90 grains....and alot more sight
>pins...LOL
A slower, heavier arrow will not give you more sight pins, you will have less pins. And if you plan on shooting out to any kind of distance, knowing the exact yardage becomes very critical as your arrow is arching more, therefore dropping much more as it travels. Being off by 5 yards on your yardage could mean a complete miss. A lighter, faster arrow will help in yardage errors a little more as it flys flatter.
IMHO a total finished arrow weight of around 400-450 grains is ideal for pretty much everything in the US.
Lien2
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proutdoors
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Lien2, I agree 100%. To the speed freaks, a 400-450 grain arrow is very heavy. I shoot a 430 grain arrrow set-up myself. This is what I consider a heavier arrow in reference to the post I was responding to. A 300-350 grain arrow is too light for elk IMO!
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elkantler75
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i shoot gold tip 5575 hunter exp. without the camo color. 5 inch plastic dura vanes and goldtip nocks. i have been using the 85 gr. magnus stinger. at 15- 20 yds i have had 2 complete pass throughs on bull elk. they were both broadside and behind the shoulder hits. are my arrows not as light as i think they are? my arrows are 29 inches knock to insert. the only weight i can give is .8 of an ounce. that seems pretty light to me.
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elkantler75
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i just weighed the above setup on a grain scale and it came to 365 grains. i am shooting a very fast bow however. probably around 300 fps.
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A small cut helps with a lite arrow...1"1/8...but I have had problems with expandable/lite arrows and big cut 2" on deer...but the beman 340s 30" with 100 grain 2" heads zip thru deer....A buddy and I have shot about 75 or so whitetail with this set-up, its weighs around 450 grains...
may just use a small cut with 125 grain head.....I have not shot an elk at 50 or 60 yards, but I would guess a guy would have problems with anything under 400 grains...
Thanks for the replys guys...and lien2...slower arrow does mean more pins...i think you had a typo...lol
A small cut helps with a lite arrow...1"1/8...but I have had problems with expandable/lite arrows and big cut 2" on deer...but the beman 340s 30" with 100 grain 2" heads zip thru deer....A buddy and I have shot about 75 or so whitetail with this set-up, its weighs around 450 grains...
may just use a small cut with 125 grain head.....I have not shot an elk at 50 or 60 yards, but I would guess a guy would have problems with anything under 400 grains...
Thanks for the replys guys...and lien2...slower arrow does mean more pins...i think you had a typo...lol
I've done a little research on momentum, ke, and speed, and the best of all worlds is an arrow that weighs about 375 to 380 grs. Real experience reveals a 410 gr arrow moving at 275 will blow right thru elk everytime at 60 yds if you hit them where you are supposed to. I've had 525 gr arrows moving at 180 fly right thru em and they never knew they were hit. All shots were with coc heads which I personally feel is the only way to go. Everything I have ever shot with a 3 blade chisel type head bolted and ran when hit, including deer. With a Magnus Stinger style head, 2 or 4 blade, every animal did not know it was shot. They jump from the arrow hitting the brush on the other side of them, walk off and fall over within 80 yds or less.
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>Thanks for the replys guys...and lien2...slower
>arrow does mean more pins...i
>think you had a typo...lol
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Nope, no type. The only way you are going to get more pins is if you DO NOT have a scope/sight housing. In a 2" sight housing, with a slow, high arching arrow, you might get 4 pins depending on what distances you set them (10, 20, 30, 40). You will need to aim the bow at the sky to get out to 40 yards, hence, less room for pins in your housing. With a light, fast, flat shooting arrow, you will get at least 5 pins (20, 30, 40, 50, 60) because you don't have to aim as high, hence more room for pins.
Just try it and you will see.
Lien2
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>Thanks for the replys guys...and lien2...slower
>arrow does mean more pins...i
>think you had a typo...lol
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Nope, no type. The only way you are going to get more pins is if you DO NOT have a scope/sight housing. In a 2" sight housing, with a slow, high arching arrow, you might get 4 pins depending on what distances you set them (10, 20, 30, 40). You will need to aim the bow at the sky to get out to 40 yards, hence, less room for pins in your housing. With a light, fast, flat shooting arrow, you will get at least 5 pins (20, 30, 40, 50, 60) because you don't have to aim as high, hence more room for pins.
Just try it and you will see.
Lien2
Allready tried it...about 20 years ago...
I would need more pins...the drop between 40 and 50 with that slow a$$ arrow is so great...I now need a 45 pin...
and same between 50 and 60......I now need a 55 pin....pins are alot farther apart....thats why people miss at distance...a 5yard misjudge = complete miss on deer with a slow arrow....
I am going to stick with the beman anyway...I can't handel, not having the speed!...allready got some G5's to try in a 100 grain...
Thanks guys!
I would need more pins...the drop between 40 and 50 with that slow a$$ arrow is so great...I now need a 45 pin...
and same between 50 and 60......I now need a 55 pin....pins are alot farther apart....thats why people miss at distance...a 5yard misjudge = complete miss on deer with a slow arrow....
I am going to stick with the beman anyway...I can't handel, not having the speed!...allready got some G5's to try in a 100 grain...
Thanks guys!
>Allready tried it...about 20 years ago...
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>I would need more pins...the drop
>between 40 and 50 with
>that slow a$$ arrow is
>so great...I now need a
>45 pin...
>and same between 50 and 60......I
>now need a 55 pin....pins
>are alot farther apart....thats why
>people miss at distance...a 5yard
>misjudge = complete miss on
>deer with a slow arrow....
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>
>I am going to stick with
>the beman anyway...I can't handel,
>not having the speed!...allready got
>some G5's to try in
>a 100 grain...
>Thanks guys!
We are both right.
When you said you could get more pins, I assumed you meant you could shoot longer distances, but what you meant is more pins, and less distance, which is also correct.
Six of one, 1/2 a dozen of another. :0
Good luck this year.
Lien2
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>I would need more pins...the drop
>between 40 and 50 with
>that slow a$$ arrow is
>so great...I now need a
>45 pin...
>and same between 50 and 60......I
>now need a 55 pin....pins
>are alot farther apart....thats why
>people miss at distance...a 5yard
>misjudge = complete miss on
>deer with a slow arrow....
>
>
>I am going to stick with
>the beman anyway...I can't handel,
>not having the speed!...allready got
>some G5's to try in
>a 100 grain...
>Thanks guys!
We are both right.
When you said you could get more pins, I assumed you meant you could shoot longer distances, but what you meant is more pins, and less distance, which is also correct.Six of one, 1/2 a dozen of another. :0
Good luck this year.
Lien2
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elk_horn
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I shot my bull elk with 368 grain set up with a rocky mountain steel head(mechanical) at 45 yards .. complete pass through.. elk went 40 yards and died.
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NMHUNTNUTT1
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ah ok....
