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I shot these back in 1978 but did not like them they just didnt hold up well....do the New ones called Ballistic Tip Hunting By Nolser any different than the old ones?????
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440sixpack
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Yes they are better constructed, the early ones were too fragile and they figured it out.
I've found them to be great hunting bullets on deer size game IF you use a heavier weight and are shooting longer distances.
I wouldn't consider them an elk bullet or an all around bullet, but for open country deer and goat hunting I like them.
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I've found them to be great hunting bullets on deer size game IF you use a heavier weight and are shooting longer distances.
I wouldn't consider them an elk bullet or an all around bullet, but for open country deer and goat hunting I like them.
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Thank you thats what I was looking for!
sageadvice
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Just a suggestion but I myself, would avoid the Ballistic tip in general and go with the Nosler Accubond. They penetrate and hold up pretty well, work fine on most any big game animal, have a fairly high B.C., and are very accurate thru a lot of different firearms.
Joey
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Joey
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Joey thanks for that I will be loading up for a .300 win mag....First time Ive had a .300 so Ill try the Accubond.
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440sixpack
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I don't get the accuracy out of the accubond I do from the ballistic tip.
Nosler said the core not being able to shift in the jacket harms accuracy to a small degree. in my 3 best shooting guns it's to a larger degree than I like.
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Nosler said the core not being able to shift in the jacket harms accuracy to a small degree. in my 3 best shooting guns it's to a larger degree than I like.
Stay thirsty my friends
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+1 on the Accubonds. We used to shoot the Ballistic Tips for deer sized game for a bunch of years. The Ballistic Tips always shot and grouped great on the targets compared to the newer Accubond. BIGGEST problem we had with the Ballistic Tips with several guys in our group shooting them is that over and over the Ballistic Tip did not give us good penitration. Many Blacktails as well as Mulies same problem. Hit a bone and the Ballistic Tip would blow up and shatter like a grenade into many pieces and not penitrate deeply into the game. We recovered one deer that out of a 30/06 the Ballistic Tip did not penitrate over 4 inches into the deer. We did not have those problems with the Accubonds.
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I've had pass throughs on deer, mountain goat and pronghorn with ballistic tips. they're a great bullet for a specific use. saying they're no good is like saying a Corvette is no good because it can't pull a gooseneck.
The pefect all around bullet looks like it would be the Trophy Bonded Tip bullet, but I can't find any to load anywhere.
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The pefect all around bullet looks like it would be the Trophy Bonded Tip bullet, but I can't find any to load anywhere.
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I think it matters greatly what the cartridge is and what the game is.
I think the Ballistic tip is great for deer and smaller. I don't believe a deer shoulder will stop one at 3000fps or slower. I put a 120grain .284 ballistic tip(3000fps at muzzle) straight through a broadside deers shoulder at 75 yards and it exitted, but the deer dropped and never moved. (No spinal involvement)
I then shot a 140 grain accubond at a large WT buck at 200 yards and it definately penciled through. he ran another 100 yards and stopped. I shot him again and he dropped. The second shot hit the spine, but I am certain he was getting ready to fall over and the second shot was not needed.
I think the accubond is tough. I don't think deer need a tough bullet and softer ones get better results (deer don't go as far)
As the bullets get bigger they get tougher 338 cal ballistic tips are pretty tough and work great on elk size game at normal velocities (like 338 win mag). You may need tougher for 338 ultra mag type speeds though.
I think a 270 and Ballistic tips is ideal for deer and antelope, but you need something much tougher to shoot elk with a 270.
I think the Ballistic tip is great for deer and smaller. I don't believe a deer shoulder will stop one at 3000fps or slower. I put a 120grain .284 ballistic tip(3000fps at muzzle) straight through a broadside deers shoulder at 75 yards and it exitted, but the deer dropped and never moved. (No spinal involvement)
I then shot a 140 grain accubond at a large WT buck at 200 yards and it definately penciled through. he ran another 100 yards and stopped. I shot him again and he dropped. The second shot hit the spine, but I am certain he was getting ready to fall over and the second shot was not needed.
I think the accubond is tough. I don't think deer need a tough bullet and softer ones get better results (deer don't go as far)
As the bullets get bigger they get tougher 338 cal ballistic tips are pretty tough and work great on elk size game at normal velocities (like 338 win mag). You may need tougher for 338 ultra mag type speeds though.
I think a 270 and Ballistic tips is ideal for deer and antelope, but you need something much tougher to shoot elk with a 270.
I have yet to have one fail, from coyotes to buffalo...
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AWHOLELOTTABULL
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IMO there's not a better hunting bullet out there.
It's always an adventure!!!
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I would agree with 440 on this. I shoot 165 gr BT in my 300 win mag for deer and they are super accurate. They kill deer dead in their tracks. I lose a little accuracy with the accubonds but they are my choice for elk/bears & such.
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I would agree with 440 on this. I shoot 165 gr BT in my 300 win mag for deer and they are super accurate. They kill deer dead in their tracks. I lose a little accuracy with the accubonds but they are my choice for elk/bears & such.
AWHOLELOTTABULL
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Yep REALLY!!! Sirrocos are right there too but as far as a general all around good bullet for any rifle you put it in, they are great. Of course, like I stated above, it's just my oppinion.
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Cahunter805
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Im interested to see how they hold up in my 257wby. They shoot lights out and should be a hammer at longer ranges.
sageadvice
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I hope that you guys hunting big game with BT's and high velocity, don't have to learn as i did...the Hard Way!
Joey
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AWHOLELOTTABULL
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My oppionion is based on some of my own experience (7mm and 4 kills with them) but mostly of kills I have guided where the animal was shot with them and of bullets that we have retrieved from the animals. I always heard the horror stories of animals lost and bullets exploding on impact but I haven't seen it so far. I also shoot Sirrocos out of my .300 winmag, Nosler Partitions out of a .270 and Bergers out of a .300 wsm. Knock on wood! I haven't had a problem with any of them yet.
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LAST EDITED ON May-22-12 AT 09:19AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-22-12 AT 09:18?AM (MST)
Sage,
Could you describe your failure to us.
I feel like a 100 grain ballistic tip from a 257 weatherby would fail on an elk shoulder, but I doubt it would ever "fail" on a deer sized animal.
I also doubt a 180 grain Bal-tip would "fail" on an elk from any gun. Its a much larger and heavier (both in weight and construction) than the above mentioned 100 grainer.
I shot an antelope with my 22-250 and a 55 grain ballistic tip varmint. It went through the near shoulder put about a 2" hole through the ribcage and then proceded to destroy everything in the chest. No exit of course. Small thin animal, small fragile bullet, no problem
Sage,
Could you describe your failure to us.
I feel like a 100 grain ballistic tip from a 257 weatherby would fail on an elk shoulder, but I doubt it would ever "fail" on a deer sized animal.
I also doubt a 180 grain Bal-tip would "fail" on an elk from any gun. Its a much larger and heavier (both in weight and construction) than the above mentioned 100 grainer.
I shot an antelope with my 22-250 and a 55 grain ballistic tip varmint. It went through the near shoulder put about a 2" hole through the ribcage and then proceded to destroy everything in the chest. No exit of course. Small thin animal, small fragile bullet, no problem
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Im shooting the 115gr from my 257wby and trust it completely. I think you need to choose a bullet for your intended game. This rifle wont see any elk or else id choose another bullet like 120gr partition.
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LAST EDITED ON May-22-12 AT 12:15PM (MST)[p]Dang, it pains me to re-live the indecent and i have told of the failure here before but... about 8 seasons ago
Shooting very hot hand loads of 120 gr Nos BTips thru my 280AI, i got a standing shot at a nice buck in what you might call a general type zone here in Kali. The buck was quartering away at about 250 yards, i was locked into a comfortable prone position and in no hurry.
With near certainty i hit that buck near his back Rib with the intended bullet path to lodge or exit on the far shoulder. I stoned the buck, he fell in his tracks at the shot, moved about a little kicking and then ceased moving.
It took me awhile getting to the buck as it was across basin on a thick steep side hill. I found lots of Hair, some blood and what looked to be meat and bone chips scattered about but no deer...no serious blood trail, never did find that buck.
I was left with the conclusion that i hit very near where my cross hairs were steadied at the shot and indeed hit one of the rear rib bones. Because of the quartering away angle, my light, smoking fast moving B. Tip bullet exploded on contact with that rib bone and/or deflected out away from the vitals with no real penetration.
If mine were the only example of this type of failure, i might dismiss it but there have been countless examples of this type of performance from Ballistic Tips. I feel that there was some bullet failure here and it cost me a lost animal. Certainly, lots of other variables were in place here and my conclusions were based on my own confidence in making that, what i consider, a easy shot under the given conditions but that is how i saw it.
I hadn't "lost" a buck since then and near 30 years before that.
Joey
"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
Shooting very hot hand loads of 120 gr Nos BTips thru my 280AI, i got a standing shot at a nice buck in what you might call a general type zone here in Kali. The buck was quartering away at about 250 yards, i was locked into a comfortable prone position and in no hurry.
With near certainty i hit that buck near his back Rib with the intended bullet path to lodge or exit on the far shoulder. I stoned the buck, he fell in his tracks at the shot, moved about a little kicking and then ceased moving.
It took me awhile getting to the buck as it was across basin on a thick steep side hill. I found lots of Hair, some blood and what looked to be meat and bone chips scattered about but no deer...no serious blood trail, never did find that buck.
I was left with the conclusion that i hit very near where my cross hairs were steadied at the shot and indeed hit one of the rear rib bones. Because of the quartering away angle, my light, smoking fast moving B. Tip bullet exploded on contact with that rib bone and/or deflected out away from the vitals with no real penetration.
If mine were the only example of this type of failure, i might dismiss it but there have been countless examples of this type of performance from Ballistic Tips. I feel that there was some bullet failure here and it cost me a lost animal. Certainly, lots of other variables were in place here and my conclusions were based on my own confidence in making that, what i consider, a easy shot under the given conditions but that is how i saw it.
I hadn't "lost" a buck since then and near 30 years before that.
Joey
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Sorry to hear it Joey. Make no mistake, I shoot more Barnes TSX's than anything, but mostly I feel like I got hung up on the "premium bullet" thing and my liking the tougher bullets got a little carried away with the "theory" of fragile bullets failing to penetrate, but I haven't actually seen it. The only time I have seen it was on a poorly place shot on a small whitetail deer. I shot him in the neck with my muzzleloader with a 295 grain powerbelt at 75 yards. There was no exit and that bullet exploded with the largest chunk of lead I pulled out of his neck weighing less than 100 grains. I butchered him so I thoroughly dissected his neck I decided then and there I would not ever use that bullet for elk.
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Joey- sorry to hear that bud. Just curious what the velocity of that "hot" load was. I know the ballistic tips in some caliber/grain combos have been redesigned as of late.
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CaHunter, as i recall, i kept going up a 1/2 grain of powder and never did see the crono start to top out or any signs of pressure. Once i got to around 3450 fps, figured fast enough. My current 140 gr loading with accubonds is right around 3250FPS, again, no signs of pressure, and a very sweet shooting piece.
Drawbacks? this is through a custom 25" barrel, 11 pound rifle all set up with full magazine, sling, and scope. I choose to usually carry another rifle because so.
Joey
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Drawbacks? this is through a custom 25" barrel, 11 pound rifle all set up with full magazine, sling, and scope. I choose to usually carry another rifle because so.
Joey
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Joey- Thats a pretty goog load but would still only be traveling about 2850 at 250 yards. I am just wondering if it was the older version and has since been redesigned. I really like how well the 115gr shoots in my 257Wby and am confident it will do the job.
LAST EDITED ON May-27-12 AT 01:49AM (MST)[p]The BT's were designed for varmints. They gave the 120's a heavier jacket and started marketing them as a Deer sized big game round. Keep them in the soft tissue behind the shoulder and you should be OK on the smaller stuff. They were never designed to be a bone buster. If you need to shoot something bigger go with a heavy for caliber bullet weight.
