Alton CWMU

Bux n Dux · Saturday at 3:38 PM

Can anyone tell me given the current bullchit that has taken place on this CWMU and several pending felonies and misdemeanor charges on the owner and guides of this property, how they still qualify for ANY permits next year? Let alone 25 private deer tags and 8 private elk tags? Why did they not suspend their COR immediately until everything is sorted out in court? Is this Mr. Shirley’s way of continuing to cover for and take care of his little naughty friend?

Silentstalker · Saturday at 7:23 PM

This is Utah. Nothing to see here….

Should have been suspended pending a real change in operators. Without a clear and meaningful punishment the DWR is sending a message that if you are a high profile individual you can get away with just about anything wildlife related.

But to be fair, they have been sending that message for years.

Themaddness · 2024-10-27T04:47:39-0600

Due process.. if "pending"..

yotebuster17 · 2024-10-27T05:38:15-0600

Why would they take away their CWMU tags? Those are owned by the ranch, not the person. If they take their vouchers there won’t be any draw tags in there either.

Bux n Dux · 2024-10-27T06:17:03-0600

yotebuster17 said:
Why would they take away their CWMU tags? Those are owned by the ranch, not the person. If they take their vouchers there won’t be any draw tags in there either.

How would we ever survive if we lost 5 whole permits in the public draw! Wouldn’t that be the end of the world!

They need to lose the tags because they were abused by the operator.

Bux n Dux · 2024-10-27T06:17:51-0600

Themaddness said:
Due process.. if "pending"..

Well they better hurry up!

yotebuster17 · 2024-10-27T09:06:22-0600

Bux n Dux said:
How would we ever survive if we lost 5 whole permits in the public draw! Wouldn’t that be the end of the world!

They need to lose the tags because they were abused by the operator.

5 tags are a big deal when the SFW auctions them to raise money, but no big deal when they close a CWMU? Ok.

elkantlers · 2024-10-27T09:33:35-0600

yotebuster17 said:
5 tags are a big deal when the SFW auctions them to raise money, but no big deal when they close a CWMU? Ok.

In this case they should suspend the Alton CWMU permits and transfer the 5 public permits to the regular draws. 5 more permits spread out over the 3 seasons wouldn't hunt anything at all.

yotebuster17 · 2024-10-27T09:52:30-0600

elkantlers said:
In this case they should suspend the Alton CWMU permits and transfer the 5 public permits to the regular draws. 5 more permits spread out over the 3 seasons wouldn't hunt anything at all.

And shoot 5 more bucks off the same acreage as they were and leave the Alton unhunted? I bet they’d just love that. It’ll make it that much better when they get their tags reinstated.

elkantlers · 2024-10-27T10:40:15-0600

yotebuster17 said:
And shoot 5 more bucks off the same acreage as they were and leave the Alton unhunted? I bet they’d just love that. It’ll make it that much better when they get their tags reinstated.

Do you think those bucks never leave the Alton CWMU? The paid Alton CWMU hunters kill most of the bucks on the Archery and muzzleloader hunts because by the first of October they are migrating south (to public ground in Utah and Arizona) and are gone.
When I had my Muzzy tag I hunted an area that had new bucks everyday coming though. These bucks came from the Alton CWMU area.

In this case, there needs to be a spanking of the Alton CWMU so that they know they are not above the law. That spanking needs to come in the terms of lost $$$ from losing permits for a year or two. Also, they should be penalized by having their tag allocations readjusted to give more permits to public hunters.
If they don't like it, they can discontinue their CWMU and take their chances in the LE draw like all the other Knuckleheads.