ALTITUDE SICKNESS???

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Ever Had it?

I Haven't that I know of?

Sad Deal!

We Lost a Young Man a few Days ago that was in the Uintahs!

An Active Scout/Athlete!

Altitude Sickness!

It's what They're claiming anyway!

I Was Up Sunday in the Uinta's a bit higher than where these Scouts were!

Prayers for the Family!

That'd be Hard to Deal with!

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First time I went back packing into the Uinta's I got sick as a dog the first day and supposed that is what I had.
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We have people that come up to our cabin and get altitude sickness all of the time. I have got it before. Coming up to Utah from the beaches of California . Or hiking Mt Wilson as a kid. That is a big jump from 0 to 10,000 feet. We do have a few pills vitamins mostly to help. I am thinking with this young man. They may find a underlining heart condition or something. I can't imagine it was only the altitude sickness. Still a sad deal for all involved. Being a scout leader for most of my life. I was even on a scout overnight camp out when I heard of this. It's a fear all of us leaders have. How hard do you push you boys to keep them moving. Without causing something this serious.
 
I had it happen once getting a deer out during the archery hunt. I couldn't talk at all and knew my oxygen level had dropped dangerous low when my face went numb and all I could do was slur because I'd had CO poisoning before. Luckily my brother figured out when I kept pointing down and he finally asked if I needed oxygen and I nodded yes. I was to the point my arms and legs would hardly function. He got me down in short order. I'd hate to think what would happen if I was alone, it was scary as hell. The doc said it's quite common.
 
I ran into a fellow deer hunter several years ago in Southern Utah. Like me, he was from California. He told me a story how 2 years earlier, he was hunting with 2 other buddies in the same area. One guy started to get sick after a day or two of hunting, thought he had the flu. They took him into Richfield to have him checked out. The doctors said he did indeed have the flu. They took him back up to camp and he got progressively worse. The hunter decided he wanted to go back down into town and rent a motel room for the remainder of the hunt so his buddies can keep hunting. After his buddies finished their hunt, they drove into town to pick him up. They found the motel room clean and empty. They checked with the front desk about the whereabouts of their friend.
They were told that motel had to call for emergency help and that their buddy was ultimately medivac to Salt Lake City.
His body was completely shutting down. He also said it took his buddy over a year before he felt somewhat normal again.
It was altitude sickness.
 
I thought I was going to die of altitude sickness last weekend scouting for sheep with another MM member. I live at 2,700 feet we started scouting at 13,200 ft. And went up to 13,750. I'm in fairly good shape for 58, 6'1" 180 and usually run 20 to 30 miles a week but 2miles in I was in trouble. Headache like I have never had, I started coughing bad at 5 miles I started getting tunnel vision shortly. I noticed balance and coordination problems and told my friend I needed to go back which I did while he continued to scout. I was throwing up the last mile to the pickup. I gave up on scouting the next day and got lower in elevation. I'm still coughing bad and have a heaviness in my chest that doesn't feel right. I'd like to go scout more in the next month but as of now I'm a little giun shy about working that hard at altitude.
 
The Peruvians figured out the cure for altitude sickness and I guess Colorado would have it now as well, if they don't smoke it all!
 
The indigenous Peruvians chew coca leaf, not marijuana.
And yes, it works.
I got a low grade nausea/headache while hiking down there and figured it was dehydration. The locals suggested chewing the coca leaf. It's really cheap to buy, so I tried it. No doubt, it works.
It also eliminates your appetite. Which, if you are poor and don't have food, is a good thing. When you are backpacking and trying to put in miles and elevation every day, it's a bad thing.
I had to make myself eat. (If you knew me, that would make you laugh.)
I chewed it every day after first trying it and never had that nausea again. They make a tea out of it as well.

The locals have a saying, "la hoja de coca no es druga!"
 
Yes I've had it. Used to work summers in Alaska then come home just in time for the elk hunt. First couple days of the hunt sucked for hiking. I would go in 50 yard stints then lean on a tree to catch my breath.
 
So I know it varies but at what elevation do you think altitude sickness typically becomes a problem ?
 
In 1992 I drew the Area G tag in Wyoming with my buddy who lives in SLC.
We'll I couldn't get off work until the last day and drove all night to SLC from Kali and then got in his truck and drove up to 10,500 feet in the mountains in a 24 hour period.
That night I had issues all night and couldn't lay down and had a huge head ache.
I took two Excedrin and started walking around the trailer in the dark until I felt better. So my doctor told me I had a touch of altitude sickness.
Now my son and I always drive to an altitude say like SLC and stay the night to get acclimated then go into the mountains the next day.
When I was in Denver a couple of weeks ago they sell cans of oxygen for people who can't handle the altitude, wonder if these would be a good thing to bring along just in case. LOL
 
>So I know it varies but
>at what elevation do you
>think altitude sickness typically becomes
>a problem ?

Typically around 10,00 ft. but any time you increase altitude 3-4000 ft can trigger it.
Ski areas in Utah and Colorado deal with it all the time.
The best advice is climb high, sleep low and work up in elevation.

Coming from near sea level to above 10,000 ft and working hard almost guarantees you will suffer symptoms no matter what kind of shape you are in.
Diamox will help.
 
>So I know it varies but
>at what elevation do you
>think altitude sickness typically becomes
>a problem ?


I'll be 70 next week and am in very good health, but what we're discussing varies a lot between individuals no matter what shape you're in. I can go up to around 7500' or a little higher with no problem. If I get above 8000, then look out because the last time I was above that elevation two years ago it took me almost 4 full days to acclimate. Those first days I just stayed around camp and hardly did anything but take very short walks and laid around until I got used to that altitude.
 
Well I I am 50 years old and have never had a problem with altitude in the past. But this last year I had a severe case of Valley fever which took eight months to recover from and has left me with permanent scar tissue on my lungs. I have 3 out of state hunts planned this year and to say I'm a little nervous is an under statement. I will be going to South lake Tahoe in two weeks to see how I do the elevation there is 6200 feet so it should give me a good idea where I am.
 
>Well I I am 50 years
>old and have never had
>a problem with altitude in
>the past. But this last
>year I had a severe
>case of Valley fever which
>took eight months to recover
>from and has left me
>with permanent scar tissue on
>my lungs. I have 3
>out of state hunts planned
>this year and to say
>I'm a little nervous is
>an under statement. I will
>be going to South
>lake Tahoe in two weeks
>to see how I do
>the elevation there is 6200
>feet so it should give
>me a good idea where
>I am.

I have valley fever for about 10 months of every year. But I seem to make a miraculous recovery each fall:)
 
Typically, it takes three days to acclimate to high altitudes and if you don't start to acclimate you need to leave for lower elevation and not wait.

As has been stated altitude sickness can affect either the head as Cranial Edema - the headache, the lung as Pulmonary Edema - coughing up frothy phlegm or both.

Anyone, both the conditioned and non conditioned individuals can develop this. And, you do not know who is going to develop it until you reach an particular altitude where the symptoms start. There is no pre-test to see if you will develop it.

I have a neighbor who was 17 years old and a fit Eagle Scout who went up to the Unita?s in Utah with their goal being Kings Peak at 13,528. They camped ~ 10,000 ft. That evening he started to have some headaches. The next morning he was still having headaches but he said he was fine and as they started out it wasn?t to long before he started to slur his speech. The other Scouts began to make fun at him when the Scout leader knew something was wrong. He told them to start him back down the trail but soon he started to loose his lower leg strength. They started to try and carry him but he was a big Scout and it was getting difficult for them.

The leader ran a head to try and locate some horsemen he had seen the day before. He was fortunate he found them not to far away. They came up and put the Scout on a horse and then moved quickly back down the trail to the trail head.

As they got lower and lower his speech returned and then his headache resolve. He wanted to get off the horse and they told him he was staying on it until they reached the trail head.

It took him a month to return to his old self.

I also knew a 22 year old Englishman who was on the Sir Edmund Hillary?s anniversary hike on Mt. Everest. He stated that he had been doing very well with no problems before he reached Camp 3. It was at Camp 3 that he started having headaches and difficulty breathing. The medical personal recognized he was developing altitude sickness. It developed rapidly and began to negatively affect him. They could not reverse it and had to call in a helicopter to evacuate him off Everest. He ended up in the hospital for three days before he was discharged.

I hunted Wyoming for Big Horn sheep and the smart outfitter called and wanted me to arrive three days early so I could acclimate to the higher elevations we would be hunting in. He had seen altitude sickness before and knew how to get a head of it.

I would highly recommend any hunter who lives at lower elevations and are planing on hunting at 8000 feet up to also arrive a minimum of two days early in your hunting area to acclimate so you can enjoy your hunt and not have to leave it.
 
Very well put! The truth is altinude sickness can effect anyone, even if they have been to high altitudes before with no problem. If you get a persistent headache, or someone in camp does, you need to go lower immediately.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-17 AT 12:15PM (MST)[p]>Here is a good link that
>everybody should read about AMS.
>
>
>http://www.altitude.org/altitude_sickness.php

Yup,

What he posted. Exercise, hydrate, acclimate.

I'm not your doctor. I'm a healthcare scientist by trade and only offer the following as information. If you have issues with altitude related problems, ask your MD for advice.

It usually starts at about 10K FT because the availability of oxygen molecules becomes less (the percentage of gas {O2, nitrogen and others} in the air remains the same, but, the molecules are further apart because of the decrease in surrounding air pressure).

The best solution is to provide more oxygen to the red blood cells. Cocoa leaves may provide relief from mild nausea, but doesn't do anything to provide that oxygen because it doesn't alter the chemical bond to allow O2 easier bonding with hemoglobin.

The most efficient way to assist the RBCs in transporting the O2 is to remove the chemical which prevents O2 from binding.

There is some research which suggests that those born at altitudes above 7K do not suffer from altitude sickness at the same rate as you lowlanders.


Diamox helps this binding with O2 to happen by forcing a bicarbonate discharge from the body and helps make the blood more acidic. However, if you are allergic to sulfa drugs, don't take it.

This is kinda technical, but interesting in understanding, at least in part, how we breath.


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I blame the scout leaders for not identifying his problem as altitude sickness on Thrusday when the boy complained of being sick, instead they did not act till Saturday. If they were trained properly in first aid they may of saved this young boy. Get them down as quick as possible at the first onset and get to the hospital for treatment. Shame on the boy scouts leadership. Instead they sent someone to walk 8 miles to get a cell signal and call for help. Lost a great deal of time. I may be wrong but this was totally preventable. On Thursday when the boy complained of nausea and headache that should of sent up a red flag. They did not act on this life threatening condition till Saturday. They did not act in a timely matter and now a boy is dead.
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Got altitude sickness when I was about 12. I think it was the first time I ever went to Colorado. Wasn't hunting i was on a snow skiing trip. My head hurt so bad I couldn't sleep at night and I would go through spells of nausea. Once we started descending out of the mountains to go home I started feeling instant relief.

At 17 I spent a summer in North Dakota visiting a university I was interested in. They had a chamber they would put pilots in and suck the air out of. They put several of us in there and started taking air out in increments. All the while they are asking you to complete small tasks. After awhile you can't even tie shoelaces anymore. It was also strange to see the range of emotions in the other people. Some found portions of the experiment humorous and others would finally panic.
 
>Got altitude sickness when I was
>about 12. I think
>it was the first time
>I ever went to Colorado.
> Wasn't hunting i was
>on a snow skiing trip.
> My head hurt so
>bad I couldn't sleep at
>night and I would go
>through spells of nausea.
>Once we started descending out
>of the mountains to go
>home I started feeling instant
>relief.
>
>At 17 I spent a summer
>in North Dakota visiting a
>university I was interested in.
> They had a chamber
>they would put pilots in
>and suck the air out
>of. They put several
>of us in there and
>started taking air out in
>increments. All the while
>they are asking you to
>complete small tasks. After
>awhile you can't even tie
>shoelaces anymore. It was
>also strange to see the
>range of emotions in the
>other people. Some found
>portions of the experiment humorous
>and others would finally panic.
>

USN used low pressure chambers for many, many years to train aircrew, including SEALs, on how to deal with hypoxia. Several problems existed with that system; decompression sickness being the worst. In about 2004 or so, we went to a nitrogen based method of hypoxia training.






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I am not condemning anyone for being Mormon. I am not condemning anyone for being a Boy Scout. I am condemning the scout leadership. From the top down. They do not require basic first aid for the leaders. That is a big red flag!!!!! When you become a leader of any one individual or group you are responsible for their well being. If that kid was mine I would own the Boy Scouts of America and the LDS church. The boy scouts have a very bad track record for serious injuries and deaths due to the lack of adequate leadership.
 
I used to do a bunch of backcountry hut to hut ski trips. At one of the 10th mtn huts we were sharing it with a group from back east. They woke us up in the middle of the night because one of their group, a woman who was a sea level marathon runner, had HAPE. There is a ski patrol type sled in each hut and myself and one of the other stronger skiers sledded her down from 12,000 to the parking lot in the middle of the night. We were lucky that she survived, there was a Sheriff patrolling the parking lot because of car thefts and he took her at high speed to the Leadville hospital.
 
We live at 6000. A few years ago my son was hunting in Colorado above Aspen. He spent 3-days at 10,000+ before feeling ill. His partner took him to the local hospital. He was in serious trouble and would have died if his partner didn't get him to the hospital. Spent 2-days in hospital before being released. Be careful we never would have expected this based on our home elevation and the mts. In our area (8-9K)
 
AMS is nothing to take lightly, and like others have mentioned above, it can be serious or even deadly. I take a lot of friends hunting every year, and many come from sea level right on the coast. I insist that they come 3 days prior to a hunt to begin getting acclimated. Living here at 4700' I am fine up to 9-10K myself for extended trips, but do notice some effects above that. I like to bring my guests back home every night when hunting 6-8000'and let them relax here. The little extra driving makes for a much more pleasant experience for them.

A noted Stanford University study showed that taking ibuprofen can greatly relieve the symptoms of AMS in about half the people, and because of a wrecked ankle/leg/knee I take a few during hard exercise. I find that when I hunt in the 10-12K range taking a Tums or Rolaids every 4 to 6 hours helps me also. The real key is - if you are experiencing physical discomfort, something is not right. Don't just try to be macho and tough it out. Get down and get better.
 
I guess I've been lucky so far. I'm coming from around 300' and going to 10,000' in New Mexico and haven't had any problems

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
I might have had a touch of it when I first moved to Colorado from Wisconsin 30 years ago and my buddy's took me up to some high mountain lakes to fish. I've always heard that eating bananas (potassium) helps. Fact or Fiction?
 
I have dealt with Altitude Sickness in clients during the years i guided many times. Some cases worse than others. A.S. effects people differently, On one of my pack trips, i had to cut the trip short to get a lady out of the mountains. We were camped at roughly 7500, but she had never left sea level in her life before that, so she flew to wyoming the day before, then rode into camp the next day. She developed symptoms over the next 2 days and needed to get down in altitude. The moment i got her down and back to the ranch she felt fine, like i knew she would, but due to her symptoms, if i had not got her out, it wouldnt have been long before a helicopter would have been the only way to cure her. . If you dont take it seriously, your an idiot.
I hiked to base camp of Mount Everest in 2007 with 2 friends i grew up with in the mountains of Idaho. We were half way to Everest around 13,000ft and had reached the village we were stopping in that day. I took a nap while my two friends, who were brothers, went on a short hike to get some views and pictures. Not long after returning from the hike, the one brother mentioned having a slight headache and went to lay down. Within 3 hours he was in a decompression chamber being depressurized to 5000 ft after being diagnosed with a 10 out of 10 on severity. It literally went from no symptoms to severe in less than 5 hours. . Long story short, it can happen to anyone and is not something to take lightly. The medical facility in that village was staffed by british doctors and had been put there strictly due to combating Altitude Sickness deaths. They kill more people each year than the mountain itself. So no matter what, if you feel the beginning symptoms, it is something to take seriously and not lightly. Sorry about the long story, but I have been around it a lot, and it is not something to just forget about.
 
I haven't experienced it yet but have been with my Dad did.

First time he was on a guided hunt in Colorado. His symptom was he couldn't sleep. He didn't sleep the first two nights. He asked the outfitter to take him down. He then drove to Wendover before getting a room. 60+ hours without sleep. (How would you like that coming at you at 70 mph?)

He then got medication from his doctor for his next "high country" hunt, no issues.

We then drew Unit 61, archery elk. I told him to get his meds. When we got there we were driving north to south on the Divide Rd when it got dark. Looking for a camp spot where I could water the horses easily so I pulled over, unloaded the horses and threw out a couple of cots and went to sleep. The next morning he said he hadn't slept and I found out he didn't get his meds.

I found a camp spot with water approximately 12-1500 feet lower. The next morning he got up to hunt and went but he said he didn't sleep. He ended going to Delta, saw a doctor, got a room and was fine the rest of the trip.

Fast forward a few years and we were hunting NM, Unit 45. Trailhead was 9,600 feet. He has his meds and slept fine. I had no energy so we stayed at the trailhead an extra day. Packed in on Thursday. Him riding, me leading 2 pack horses. Camp was over 12,000. I felt it on the 12 mile pack in. I scouted Friday AM. When I got to camp, he said he hadn't slept, but had taken his meds. Friday night he took the meds plus Tylenol PM. Saturday am he said he hadn't slept and we needed to go. I told him I was going to hunt til noon and would be back at camp.

I got back around noon, loaded the horses and made it to the trailhead in 3 hours (downhill and pissed off).

After reading this thread I realize I was being selfish.

Doing research, one of the symptoms is insomnia. Seems like his only symptom but you never know next time.

Moral of the story is there is prescription medication to combat AS, but be careful.

And the Divide Rd is only about 7,000-7,500 so you don't know at what elevation it will kick in at.

But my Dad lives below 1,000 and is now in his 80s.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-12-17 AT 06:47AM (MST)[p]That is a tragic story. I have experienced altitude sickness driving to the top of Pikes Peak. It manifested as a severe migraine and vertigo. Not good!!!!

Living in Texas at the time and visiting the mountains as much as possible I had a pharmacist give me some advice that I frequently share:

1) Eat lots of red meat prior to your visit/hunt. This builds up your red blood cell count and will oxygenate your blood at a higher level.

2) Ginko Biloba. Triple or even quadruple the daily amount a week prior to your visit/hunt. The pharmacist stated that it will open up the capillaries around the brain and eliminate the headaches.

3) This goes without saying - but I'm going to say it anyway. Drink water. Drink lots of water. The high altitude and the dry air dehydrates you and you don't even know that it is happening until it's too late!
General rule - your body weight divided by two is the amount of ounces of water you should intake a day.

4) Lastly - If you are drinking anything other that water - you are drinking a diuretic.

Stay healthy - my friends!
 
The concern of altitude sickness was one of the main reasons I steered away from the OTC Elk Tag in Colorado. I chose to stay away because I figured if I were to get into elk in September I would need to go higher than 11,000-12,000 feet. Option A easily became Idaho and it turned out to be a good decision. This past June I did a test with fam and stayed south of Breckinridge. We all experienced systems of insomnia and headaches the first 24 hrs. But soon got adjusted with a good hike and plenty of water. Coming from 16.08 feet to our place of stay at 11,140 was quite the jump in one day, but I feel like we handled as well as we could.

For a Texan from the Gulf Coast, Altitude sickness is one of the biggest hurdles to overcome. I can only hope with more experience that I figure out a preventative plan that works. So far it's drink plenty of water eat right and sack up!
 
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18 year old "outward bound" team leader went into the woods with a cold. Full on HAPE... Myself and a big S&R guy took turns piggy backing him out of Democrat Basin over Daisy Pass 11,600. Got him to a cop car, Jeep Cherokee. Ambulance to Gunnison, then they flew him to the Olympic center in Colorado Springs..Put him in the tank too below sea level...The S&R girls followed behind with the O2 tank. I remember him gurgling on my shoulder.. That was 20+ year's ago...Don't get HAPE in the Oh Be Joyful Wilderness in 2017...I don't think I can carry you out in the dark any more. "Not as good as I once was"...
 
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This is a very interesting and sad thread. Thanks for posting it.

Yes, I have had altitude sickness, at least once and possibly many times. My first night in elk camp I almost never sleep overnight. I go from 4,500' elevation in Albuquerque on Tuesday night to 6,000' elevation in Durango Wednesday and Thursday night to 11500' elevation Friday night and the rest of the hunt. I just thought my sleeplessness was because I was excited about the hunt and uncomfortable in the sleeping back sleeping on a cot instead of a king size bed at home. The threads above, however, several times cite insomnia as a symptom of altitude sickness. This year I think I will take some Diamox.

The one time I felt pretty sure I had altitude sickness my girlfriend (now my wife) and I were bushwacking up a trailess gully trying to climb a 11500' mountain in New Mexico (Jicarita Peak). Some time after we started I got a head ache and I just lost all energy. And I felt just depressed as hell. Normally I would just slug through something like fatigue, but this was different. I sat down and rested, but that didn't really solve the problem. Anytime we tried to resume uphill progress I immediately ran out of wind in my sails. We hiked back down and I was fine. I had been to higher altitudes before on hikes. My girlfriend was not in any special shape, was not fitter than me. We were both cigarette smokers back then (quit in 1996). I had the problem and she had no problem.

One year up at elk camp (11500' elevation), Saturday night (second night in camp) I came down with a bad chest cold. I was coughing a lot during the night. The next day I was ready to give up and head down the mountain, but the lead partner said I should hang around until he got back from his morning hunt -- I should stay resting in my sleeping bag. Well, I got to feeling better. I wouldn't say the episode complete passed away -- I'm guessing I was still coughing up flem, but it was much less productive than it had been overnight. I sort of wonder if that might not have been an altitude triggered reaction. By "felt better" I mean I walked about 4 miles in with the lead partner that same afternoon to where he'ld killed an elk and cut it up for him up on the side of the mountain then hiked back. The next day I was up, feeling reasonably fit, at 4:30 AM and took a cow elk at 10 AM. The following day I carried out a 60 LBS load from that location, about 2 miles from camp. I was probably still coughing a bit but this did not seem to impair my physical endurance in a noticeable way.

My daughter had altitude sickness when she was 23 up around 10000'. She lives at 6500' on the western slope of the Rockies up mountain from Glenwood Springs. She backpacked up with a trail maintenance crew on Friday night and worked hard on Saturday (shovels, picks, moving stones, etc.). She got a bad headache. She actually requested another person to accompany her down the mountain. She was fine. But she is extremely physically fit. She goes skiing in winter at higher elevations. She bicycles long distances (has completed "the Triple Bypass" involving 120 miles and 10000+ feet of aggregate climbs going over three passes). But she got altitude sickness.

So it seems from my experiences that altitude sickness strikes somewhat randomly. Excellent physical conditioning is no guarantee you won't experience it. Youth is not a guarantee you won't experience it. Previous excursions to high altitudes with no high altitude sickness isn't a guarantee you won't experience.
 
Does anyone on here have any experience with Wilderness Athlete's Altitude Advantage? Does this stuff really work or is it "Snake Oil?" I am heading to Utah in October and I am seriously thinking about trying it.
 
>Does anyone on here have any
>experience with Wilderness Athlete's Altitude
>Advantage? Does this stuff
>really work or is it
>"Snake Oil?" I am
>heading to Utah in October
>and I am seriously thinking
>about trying it.

Don't Know if it works on everybody?

But I've Heard Guys Say it does Help & Work!








Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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My current situation precludes me from caring about your opinion but go ahead and give voice to it anyway...

Altitude sickness is very misunderstood as it varies from "I drank too much the first night at the ski area" headaches to CPE (or HAPE as above)

Sleep and rest cures one but if you have CPE and "sleep it off" you wont be waking up. The difference is as Tomichi describes, the "gurgling" Down is the only cure and sooner rather than later, assuming getting older is a priority for you. Trouble is if alone by the time you have it you can't help yourself... Like the old snake bite in the pecker joke, the Doc says your agonna die...


Many people don't know this and some pay a high price for not knowing. Many people get "altitude sickness" every time at altitude, usually a couple days of hanging out and inactivity will cure it. I have seen this on many occasions but never witnessed the full blown CPE case, hope not to.

Listen to their breathing it will tell you what to do.
 
>Does anyone on here have any
>experience with Wilderness Athlete's Altitude
>Advantage? Does this stuff
>really work or is it
>"Snake Oil?" I am
>heading to Utah in October
>and I am seriously thinking
>about trying it.

Not snake oil. My wife and I have used it with success. I used to have to use Diamox (the medicine) but replaced that with supplements like this one. Still took the meds for about 3-4 years just to be sure, but don't worry about it any more. I actually use a product called altitude adjustment currently. Both are similar products and don't know that I had any difference between the two, but only used the Wilderness for a couple of years when I got some one sale. I start on it the day before I leave and use it through about day 3 up at altitude (when my body has adjusted). You still need to take it easy for the first day or so and drink lots of water and then drink some more. Also, be sure and take some rolaids or tums. The antacid in them can help if you need a little extra help.


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Like I said before. We have a cabin at 9300 feet. So to help with those that get altitude sickness that visit us. We have done a little research on this. We use a a few natural herbs and vitamins. we tell the people coming up to take them before coming up . We also have a pill boxs full at the cabin. I dont get sick really anymore. But I do take the vitamins and such when I am on the mountain.
I took the article off the web and don't know if I can just post it up. But we use Vitamin C ,vitamin E, Alpha lipoic acid,Selenium. For Herbs ginkgo,I-glutamine and glutathione. Have them drink a lot of water to stay hydrated.
A lot of the altitude sickness pulls we have seen . Have most of these iteness I can post up the web address off the article we have found our information from. I hope this is ok and I hope this helps.http://www.denvernaturopathic.com/news/altitude.html
 

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Lots of Bucks, Couple 180 Type
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Awesome Bases!
Near 200" Trophy Buck
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