SMOKESTICK
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Feb-15-18,
11:13 AM (MST)
"Set aside antelope licenses "
Just thought I would let you all know that there is legislation moving forward in Wyoming which will double the amount of set aside licenses allowed for antelope hunting in Wyoming from 80 licenses to 160 licenses.
Where will this stop? It wasn't lost that WYOGA remained neutral on this bill even though it will allow one outfitter in Wyoming to obtain 80 antelope licenses. Each one of these licenses will be used to generate $240,000 from state wildlife resources for one outfitter. In addition, it sets the stage for other outfitters to ask for set aside licenses for them.
If you want to contact the Senate Receptionist, the number is 307-777-7711.
For the record, WY SFW has spoken out against this bill. It was defeated last year but has came back for a second time. I hope people will engage.
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Subject Author Date ID
RE: Set aside ... jm77 Feb-16-18 1
RE: Set aside ... TOPGUN Feb-16-18 2
RE: Set aside ... jm77 Feb-16-18 3
RE: Set aside ... TOPGUN Feb-16-18 4
RE: Set aside ... jm77 Feb-16-18 5
RE: Set aside ... BenHuntn Feb-20-18 20
RE: Set aside ... Founder Feb-16-18 6
RE: Set aside ... SMOKESTICK Feb-18-18 8
RE: Set aside ... marburg Feb-18-18 7
RE: Set aside ... SMOKESTICK Feb-18-18 9
RE: Set aside ... jm77 Feb-18-18 10
RE: Set aside ... marburg Feb-19-18 11
RE: Set aside ... lostinOregon Feb-19-18 12
RE: Set aside ... ClearCreek Feb-19-18 13
RE: Set aside ... TOPGUN Feb-19-18 14
RE: Set aside ... BuzzH Feb-19-18 15
RE: Set aside ... mightyhunter Feb-20-18 17
RE: Set aside ... ClearCreek Feb-20-18 16
RE: Set aside ... mightyhunter Feb-20-18 18
RE: Set aside ... BenHuntn Feb-20-18 19
RE: Set aside ... BuzzH Feb-20-18 21
RE: Set aside ... TOPGUN Feb-20-18 22
RE: Set aside ... jm77 Feb-20-18 23
RE: Set aside ... schoolhouse... Feb-21-18 24
RE: Set aside ... TOPGUN Feb-21-18 25
RE: Set aside ... Deerlove Feb-21-18 26
RE: Set aside ... schoolhouse... Feb-21-18 27
RE: Set aside ... Founder Feb-21-18 28
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jm77
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Feb-16-18,
10:25 AM (MST)
1. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Bob is 100% right about this bill, SF03. Wyoming BHA has also testified against this, as it will set a very bad precedent. When will it stop? These are state issued licenses for private exclusive organizations and every single hunter, resident and NR, loses opportunity with issuing these tags.
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2018/Introduced/SF0003.pdf
What really gets me, is no one seems to care, especially on this forum. Sure, lets talk about everything else, but incrementally taking away your access to wildlife. If hunters remain complacent about this, it will pass and you can kiss another 80 antelope tags goodbye!
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TOPGUN
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Feb-16-18,
12:21 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-18 AT 12:25 PM (MST)
It would seem that all the resident hunters would be up in arms over these type of set asides. They are the ones paying the taxes an live in the state and can most do something about it! Us NRs can try to do our part, but since we don't live in WY it's not like most of the Legislators will listen to us when we write a letter, email, or call them since we aren't the ones voting for or against them. Between this garbage and the outfitters wanting a share of the tags for themselves I hope the organizations like BHA can get enough people together to stop this crazy stuff before it goes any further than that sham of a one shot antelope hunt that happens every year and already takes a lot of tags from a great unit.
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jm77
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Feb-16-18,
01:15 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-18
>AT 12:25 PM (MST)
>
>It would seem that all the
>resident hunters would be up
>in arms over these type
>of set asides. They
>are the ones paying the
>taxes an live in the
>state and can most do
>something about it! Us
>NRs can try to do
>our part, but since we
>don't live in WY it's
>not like most of the
>Legislators will listen to us
>when we write a letter,
>email, or call them since
>we aren't the ones voting
>for or against them.
>Between this garbage and the
>outfitters wanting a share of
>the tags for themselves I
>hope the organizations like BHA
>can get enough people together
>to stop this crazy stuff
>before it goes any further
>than that sham of a
>one shot antelope hunt that
>happens every year and already
>takes a lot of tags
>from a great unit.
When we are talking about something that effects NR that come to Wyoming to hunt, it matters. Right now money is everything in Cheyenne.
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TOPGUN
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Feb-16-18,
01:38 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>When we are talking about something
>that effects NR that come
>to Wyoming to hunt, it
>matters. Right now money is
>everything in Cheyenne.
I understand that Jeff, but I don't think the G&F itself will lose any money on them regardless of whether they are bought by a resident or NR. The other money spent by NRs like for gas, motels, food, etc. would be another story, so maybe we can hit them with that because for every NR that doesn't get one of those tags if they are set aside they would lose that money. It's interesting to see the Committee that the Bill is in and they certainly are only interested in money just from the name of the Committee alone!
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jm77
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Feb-16-18,
01:46 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>I understand that Jeff, but I
>don't think the G&F itself
>will lose any money on
>them regardless of whether they
>are bought by a resident
>or NR. The other
>money spent by NRs like
>for gas, motels, food, etc.
>would be another story, so
>maybe we can hit them
>with that because for every
>NR that doesn't get one
>of those tags if they
>are set aside they would
>lose that money. It's
>interesting to see the Committee
>that the Bill is in
>and they certainly are only
>interested in money just from
>the name of the Committee
>alone!
That's the money I'm talking about Mike.
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BenHuntn
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Feb-20-18,
08:11 PM (MST)
20. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Show me the info that supports your statements.
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Founder
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Feb-16-18,
07:19 PM (MST)
6. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Bob,
I'll have to read it and maybe send an email. I know they'd love more emails from me. Ha ha ha
They?ll probably respond like a few guys on the site here.....?quit telling us how to manage our wildlife!?
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SMOKESTICK
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Feb-18-18,
06:26 PM (MST)
8. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Brian,
Thanks. I have been shocked how few people were commenting on here. It is a threat to all of us as it undermines the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation, specifically, the pillar that states license allocations will be fair and equitable.
I also expect that since this will establish the first outfitter to receive set aside licenses, Wyoming will soon see other outfitters demanding set aside licenses for them as well. I cannot think of any other reason they would remain neutral on this bill.
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aka) SMOKESTICK
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marburg
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Feb-18-18,
02:03 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
So half are for one-shot, what are the other half for?
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SMOKESTICK
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Feb-18-18,
06:41 PM (MST)
9. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Marburg, the additional 80 licenses will be given to the Women's Antelope Hunt. One outfitter will benefit from the 80 licenses,each license will be sold as normal but the hunts will be sold for$3000 each.
What is especially maddening is that nowhere does the bill say this; however, the Governor mentioned the bill in his State of the State when he told the Legislature to pass Senate File 003 - Women's Antelope Hunt. All of the testimony in support of the bill was focused on the Women's Antelope Hunt. The entire 5 member Senate TRW Committee spoke in support of the hunt rather than what the bill actually does.
There were 3 groups that spoke against the bill; WY Wildlife Federation, WY SFW and BHA. WYOGA was silent but I asked their guys that were there and they said they were neutral.
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jm77
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Feb-18-18,
07:02 PM (MST)
10. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Yeah Bob, they are silent now, but wait until they don't draw and hear them squeal. Point creep in the form of set aside tags. Most residents are no better, never show up but want to complain when they can't hunt. I don't want to hear it...
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marburg
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Feb-19-18,
04:33 PM (MST)
11. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-18 AT 04:34 PM (MST)
I know what unit(s) the one shot tags come out of. What units will the women's hunts come out of? And 3k for an antelope hunt? Wow.
>Marburg, the additional 80 licenses will
>be given to the Women's
>Antelope Hunt. One outfitter will
>benefit from the 80 licenses,each
>license will be sold as
>normal but the hunts will
>be sold for$3000 each.
>What is especially maddening is that
>nowhere does the bill say
>this; however, the Governor mentioned
>the bill in his State
>of the State when he
>told the Legislature to pass
>Senate File 003 - Women's
>Antelope Hunt. All of the
>testimony in support of the
>bill was focused on the
>Women's Antelope Hunt. The entire
>5 member Senate TRW Committee
>spoke in support of the
>hunt rather than what the
>bill actually does.
>There were 3 groups that spoke
>against the bill; WY Wildlife
>Federation, WY SFW and BHA.
>WYOGA was silent but I
>asked their guys that were
>there and they said they
>were neutral.
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lostinOregon
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Feb-19-18,
05:01 PM (MST)
12. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
I will send a email from Oregon, but as you WY guys are always telling us NR's, that its your wildlife to do what you want with. Legislators only care about re-election and NR's can't vote.
Rich
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ClearCreek
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Feb-19-18,
08:55 PM (MST)
13. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-18
>AT 04:34 PM (MST)
>
>I know what unit(s) the one
>shot tags come out of.
> What units will the
>women's hunts come out of?
> And 3k for an
>antelope hunt? Wow.
>
>
>
The Women's Antelope Hunt takes place in Antelope Hunt Areas 10, 15 and 16. They may get down to HA 22, but I don't think it's all that often.
I am not sure where the $3,000 came from, but I believe the Wyoming Women's Foundation charges $5,000 to participate in the hunt. Several participants receive "scholarships" provided by sponsors.
ClearCreek
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TOPGUN
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Feb-19-18,
09:09 PM (MST)
14. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>>I know what unit(s) the one
>>shot tags come out of.
>> What units will the
>>women's hunts come out of?
>> And 3k for an antelope hunt? Wow.
>The Women's Antelope Hunt takes place
>in Antelope Hunt Areas 10,
>15 and 16. They
>may get down to HA
>22, but I don't think
>it's all that often. >
>I am not sure where the
>$3,000 came from, but I
>believe the Wyoming Women's Foundation
>charges $5,000 to participate in
>the hunt. Several participants
>receive "scholarships" provided by sponsors.
>ClearCreek
Do you know if they are hunting strictly private ranches that would be off limits to everyone else without one of those tag? Not that it makes much difference if they take those 80 licenses from the draws that everyone would be able to put in for and hunt wherever they could get access I guess! I hope our messages of disapproval to them for this set aside changes the minds of ones that would vote for it. What they should really be voting on is is remove the existing set aside licenses for that sham "one shot" contest, rather than asking for more set asides!
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BuzzH
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Feb-19-18,
09:21 PM (MST)
15. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
If you're going to send comments send them to the House TRW committee.
Send no later than Feb. 27, this bill will be heard by the house TRW on Feb. 28th.
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Feb-20-18,
07:34 AM (MST)
17. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Thanks for the email links. mh
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ClearCreek
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Feb-20-18,
07:32 AM (MST)
16. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>>>I know what unit(s) the one
>>>shot tags come out of.
>>> What units will the
>>>women's hunts come out of?
>>> And 3k for an antelope hunt? Wow.
>>The Women's Antelope Hunt takes place
>>in Antelope Hunt Areas 10,
>>15 and 16. They
>>may get down to HA
>>22, but I don't think
>>it's all that often. >
>>I am not sure where the
>>$3,000 came from, but I
>>believe the Wyoming Women's Foundation
>>charges $5,000 to participate in
>>the hunt. Several participants
>>receive "scholarships" provided by sponsors.
>>ClearCreek
>
>
>Do you know if they are
>hunting strictly private ranches that
>would be off limits to
>everyone else without one of
>those tag? Not that
>it makes much difference if
>they take those 80 licenses
>from the draws that everyone
>would be able to put
>in for and hunt wherever
>they could get access I
>guess! I hope our
>messages of disapproval to them
>for this set aside changes
>the minds of ones that
>would vote for it.
>What they should really be
>voting on is is remove
>the existing set aside licenses
>for that sham "one shot"
>contest, rather than asking for
>more set asides!
I believe most of the hunting is done on private ranches, but if there is some state or BLM land within those ranches then I am sure that is hunted as well. That public land may not have public access to it.
I really can't see this set aside getting voted down because if a legislator did that, they would be labeled "anti-woman" and none of our lawmakers want that moniker. Since there is a set aside for the "men", then they have to be equal.
Not saying I agree, just today's reality.
ClearCreek
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mightyhunter
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Feb-20-18,
10:00 AM (MST)
18. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
I am already getting some responsive emails on this. mh
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BenHuntn
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Feb-20-18,
08:09 PM (MST)
19. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
I would like to know where it is said that outfitters will receive any antelope tags from this bill. 80 antelope tags for women and 80 antelope tags for one shot men. Residents or non-residents may participate. Where did the number $240,000 come from? sounds like misinformation to me. Please provide the source of your info. Where did the one outfitter gets all the tags?
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BuzzH
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Feb-20-18,
09:05 PM (MST)
21. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
To me, this is 100% about the issue of the set aside tags. It never has seemed at all right, to give exclusive use of our State Assets to any group.
I remember a time when there were no commission tags, no governors licenses, no set asides, no raffle tags.
Everyone was in the same boat, everyone applied for tags just like everyone else.
I've never asked for anything extra, only that hunting and access to tags stay on a level playing field. Its sad that everyone is out for themselves and wants to be given special privileges over others.
Never thought it would come to this...man, was I ever wrong.
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TOPGUN
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Feb-20-18,
09:37 PM (MST)
22. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
You're sure right on that BuzzH and it sucks the big one! I have a bad feeling our member is right that this will come down to equality and no Legislator will want to vote against the women, rather than there shouldn't even be the set asides for that one shot hunt and those should be wiped from the books instead of adding more! If this passes it's only going to ope the door for more people or organizations like WYOGA asking for their own tags too.
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jm77
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Feb-20-18,
11:09 PM (MST)
23. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>I would like to know where
>it is said that outfitters
>will receive any antelope tags
>from this bill. 80 antelope
>tags for women and 80
>antelope tags for one shot
>men. Residents or non-residents may
>participate. Where did the number
>$240,000 come from? sounds like
>misinformation to me. Please provide
>the source of your info.
>Where did the one outfitter
>gets all the tags?
One outfitter benefits from the women's hunt, the tags don't actually go to the outfitter, he gets all the hunts.
I believe the women's hunt is a good thing, but I don't like the exclusiveness of either hunt. I think there is a constitutional issue here. The men's hunt is a worn out, "Good Ole Boys" hunt that doles the tags out to past participants like they are candy. If they were smart, they would open it up to anyone. The governor is a yearly participant and the One Shot claims if Wyoming has a female governor, she will have to get a man to stand in for her.
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schoolhousegrizz
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Feb-21-18,
06:58 AM (MST)
24. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Wyoming is a damn joke and every bit is it bad as Utah when it comes to corruption.
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TOPGUN
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Feb-21-18,
09:25 AM (MST)
25. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
>Wyoming is a damn joke and
>every bit is it bad
>as Utah when it comes
>to corruption.
I would have to disagree 100% with that silly comment because it's ridiculous to even put Wyoming in the same sentence when talking about corruption and the way it's rampant the way Utah is run! Rather than make a blanket statement like that, please expand on your comment when you have time. It shouldn't take very long because IMHO there is no outright corruption to speak of in Wyoming. There are a couple things you might not like as far as the NR wilderness law and the silly "one shot" antelope hunt just for men, but I wouldn't classify either by using the term corruption.
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Deerlove
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Feb-21-18,
10:38 AM (MST)
26. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Wy as bad as Ut? Your crazy, feel free to give thanks to guys like Buzz and JM that cant be bought off.
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schoolhousegrizz
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Feb-21-18,
10:46 AM (MST)
27. "RE: Set aside antelope licenses "
Wilderness law is a joke. 80/20 split hurts residents and is outfitter welfare and is a joke. Lobbying to make some licences require a guide is outfitter welfare and is a joke. One shot antelope licenses are a joke. Thus Wyoming is a joke.
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