A Funny Quad Story

n2chukar · Sep 13, 2005

Here we are hunting Archery Elk in a designated WIldnerness Area. We are two miles in and right in the middle of the Elk. Cows are bedded down, some are feeding and the Bulls are horsing around. We have a Bull that my nephew wants to go after -- a freakishly huge 7X2 that would make any of you drool.

We are being patient -- it just feels right. Suddenly we hear a strange, yet familiar, roar. A couple of quads appear up on the ridge and below them busts a hundred head of Elk. Not necessarily a problem until the herd of Elk decide to bust right through our happy little stalk -- GAME OVER.

We are furious over the fact that these two slobs ruined our Wildnerness hunt by riding their quads in... they should know better, it's a Wildnerness area and motorized vehicles are not allowed, period. We decide to teach them a lesson. Our friend goes as fast as he can go toward their quads. They were about a half mile away straight up hill. Mission? Let the air out of the tires. That would teach these irresponsible hunters that are giving all of us a bad name a valuable lesson, plus it would enable the authorities to catch these culprits.

Much to our chagrin, the quads start up and rumble off as our friend is closing in on them.

Later that evening, we stumble into some other hunters who informed us that a plane went down and wanted to let us know to keep our eyes out for any sign of wreckage. We asked them how they knew about the plane. They responded, "A couple of Sheriff's Deputies came in here on quads and let us know." We nodded our heads and said rather sheepishly, "ooooohhhh."

Let it be a lesson to stop and consider all possibilities before acting!

DallanC · Sep 13, 2005

I dont believe even a Law Enforcement officer can take a motorized vehicle into a wilderness area. I know when they do search and rescue ops here they have to use horses or fly it with a helicoptor.

So A) you really werent in a wilderness are, B) they really werent sheriffs or C) moron "deputys" that dont know the rules.

Sorry to hear they blew your stalk regardless.

-DallanC

Zigga · Sep 13, 2005

mmwb · Sep 14, 2005

"I dont believe even a Law Enforcement officer can take a motorized vehicle into a wilderness area. I know when they do search and rescue ops here they have to use horses or fly it with a helicoptor. "

Dallan is probably right on the legalities, but if there is a chance of a survivor in a plane crash (I suppose there is always a chance: Thus they call it a search and rescue and not search and recovery), the ethical thing would be to do what ever it took to increase the survivor's chances. I would think a grid pattern search from the air would be the most productive, but sometimes wreckage is fairly hidden from the air and ground search is the answer.

FAIRCHASEBEN · Sep 14, 2005

This story reeked of BS even before the last paragraph .
He was going to let the air out of their tires ...... while they were sitting on their quads ?
The President of the United States can't land his helicopter in a wilderness area . Sounds like n2chukar want's to expand his riding area and is working on an excuse if he gets caught .

nvlonghunter · Sep 14, 2005

>This story reeked of BS even
>before the last paragraph .
>
>He was going to let the
>air out of their tires
>...... while they were sitting
>on their quads ?
>The President of the United States
>can't land his helicopter in
>a wilderness area . Sounds
>like n2chukar want's to expand
>his riding area and is
>working on an excuse if
>he gets caught .

Fairchaseben, I do not agree with your derogatory comments. In the first paragraph you call N2Chukar a liar and in your last paragraph you assume you know his intentions. How does this help anyone.

Glen

NMRaptor · Sep 15, 2005

Two years ago, a sheep guide got bucked off a horse during a bighorn hunt in NM's Pecos Wilderness. He had some serious injuries and had to be flown out with a helicopter.
-Raptor

bobcatbess · Sep 15, 2005

NMRaptor

PROBABLY SO!!!

WHEN YOU READ THE RULES & REGS THE CHOPPER CAN 'NOT' LAND,HE CAN ONY LEAGALLY HOVER!!!

I'M NOT TRYING TO STIR IT!!!

IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION I DON'T SEE WHAT LANDING WOULD HURT???

THESE FRICKEN LOWLIFES MAKING EXCUSES WHY THEY HAD THEIR QUADS WHERE THEY DON'T BELONG AIN'T GONNA CUT IT WITH ME!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THINKING ATV'S ARE LIKE BRAINS,EVERYBODY'S GOT THEM,IT'S TOO BAD HUMANS CAN'T LEARN HOW TO USE THEM!!!

n2chukar · Sep 19, 2005

FAIRCHASEBEN,

I'm sorry you feel that way. For those of you who know me, know it is 100% true, but I'm not going to waste my time defending a true story. Having said that, the following may clarify a few points for you.

FWIW, the officer's did not know they were in a Wildnerness area as I found out last week when we ran into them. We were in the Jarbidge Wildnerness in Nevada and it is not well defined.

They were not sitting on their quads the last time we viewed them and, in our moment of poor judgement, we made the decision to flatten their tires. Thank goodness fate intervened, because it would have been a very poor decision on our part.

You may wish to re-read my post as I never stated I wanted to expand my riding area. There are plenty of people who know me and I do not use a quad to hunt -- nor do I have anything against anyone who uses them on roads or trails when permitted.

I was trying to share a story that represented my poor judgement in a humorous light and somehow I failed to communicate that to you.

n2chukar · Sep 19, 2005

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-05 AT 04:31PM (MST)[p]DallanC

None of the above -- I guess C would be the closest, but money needs to be spent to better mark the wildnerness area we were in -- The Jarbidge Wildnerness. As a hunter, you take time to make sure you know the Wildnerness boundaries, but as a Sheriff's Deputy on a Search and Rescue Mission, I think you do your best to find the wreckage in this situation. In this instance, I'm thankful we din't reach them in time or we would have made a bad mistake.

In the end, the blown stalk gave us more opportunities to hunt for which we are grateful. To my knowledge, they still have not found the wreckage. It's pretty sad, really.

n2chukar · Sep 19, 2005

They did plenty of air searches as well. In fact, we were surprised and frustrated with all the aircraft, both helicopters and planes, flying the area during his hunt. We should have known something was up at that point.

FAIRCHASEBEN · Sep 19, 2005

Well don't I feel like an idiot !
I wonder what would have happened if your friend had let their air out , they were in a wilderness area and were breaking the law , that would have been embarassing for them . They found the airplane in the Rubies so they were way off anyway .

So how'd the hunt go ? I've heard about the big bull with the damaged antler , a friend of mine has pictures of him but I haven't seen them yet . I have the 061-071 rifle tag , the bulls are incredible over on Merrit mt.

n2chukar · Sep 19, 2005

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-05 AT 05:51PM (MST)[p]I'm not sure what would have happened. I was unaware they found the plane. The hunt went great in terms of seeing lots of Big Bulls and many of the guys got their Bulls. But time does not permit me to tell all of them now. In short, my nephew made the decision to pass on some nice bulls in hopes of a big one... I am hoping to be able to post photos of the 7x2 (he was killed by another archer that represents the good in hunters -- I'm happy for him) and I'm told they may have some video of my nephew and I as we were on a large bull. In short, he had the bull @ 57 yards, but we could not turn him away from his cows. I'll post photos if and when I get them.

ELKMASTER101 · Sep 20, 2005

sorry guys search and rescue teams and the president do have the right to use what ever means necessary to acheive the mission.
So does the DOW or DNR and any any FED Agent if deamed necessary.
But they sure would'nt be wearing cammo.
Well maybe Bush might.

Zigga · Sep 21, 2005

I would have to see it in writing that the president and a few others can ride and land on Wilderness for various reasons. Otherwise it's bs. Just my opinion.

ELKMASTER101 · Sep 21, 2005

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE AN OPINION.

Blacktailslayer · Sep 21, 2005

n2chukar,

I thought your story was fine and funny. All you were trying to do is make people think before they jump to any conclusions. There is only one problem, a lot of people on this site are out to attack everyone and everything they say. Don't let them get to you. Keep posting good stories, and to hell with 'em.

n2chukar · Sep 21, 2005

Thanks for the encouragement -- a good friend who has been posting on here for quite awhile gave me the same advise and encouraged me as well. I appreciate the majority of posters on here and it is no different than anywhere else in the world. There will always be some out there who make you go "hmmmmmm."

grizzmoose · Sep 29, 2005

Regardless of whether you were telling the truth or not, (I believe you were), I appreciate your efforts to teach us all a lesson. I think we are all guilty of judging too rapidly in some cases. Thanks for the story!

n2chukar · Sep 29, 2005

The story of my life!! You would think I would have learned by now; the good thing is I am better than I was 15 years ago and by God's grace I'll be better 10 years from now.

opportunist · Sep 29, 2005

>I would have to see it
>in writing that the president
>and a few others can
>ride and land on Wilderness
>for various reasons. Otherwise
>it's bs. Just my
>opinion.

Your precious wilderness area is more important than trying to save the life of plane crash survivor? How would you feel if one of your loved ones was in that situation and the authorities said "We cannot use motor vehicles to rescue them cause it might disturb the chipmunks."?

Should the pilot of the plane be arrested for langin in a Wilderness area?

Get some priorities dumb***.

Zigga · Sep 29, 2005

Ok opey,

I said that I would have to see these laws in writing. It should say somewhere that Search and Rescue and AWOL can access Wilderness in other ways than on foot or horseback. Try telling the Forest Service or Fish and Game that you are looking for a loved one while riding your 4 wheeler on Wilderness. I would use a 4 wheeler if the situation arose and just suffer the consequences but that doesn't make it legal. Good luck with all the lawyer fees trying to bail yourself out of that mess. It won't be a $100 fine, I guarantee it. The feds could give a **** about your priorities or mine.

You and I would NOT get along opey.

PhantomLord · Sep 29, 2005

I have a funny story,

I once went up hunting and seen these guys come up hunting in this 4x4 truck, man I was so pissed, beings how I walked up all the way from town, I feel that is so not fair chase to use vehicles and weapons to hunt.

(just in case you cant tell, im making fun of people who call atvs unfair and dumb and yet they do kind of the same thing =P)