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Probably going there on the 24th.

Colorado uses a strict preference point system for deer and elk. They have serious problems with point creep, but the system works for them because they have enough deer and elk hunt opportunities that people can pick units that are easy to draw or they can wait a lifetime for the “best” units...

I guess that is the only possible explanation, but the unit is probably 95% public land and there should have been two or three tags in the NR preference point pool. Turns out I drew a sheep tag a couple days ago so I really did not want to draw WY elk this year, but maybe I need to avoid this...

Well, I drew my early rifle elk hunt last year with 24 points and my desert bighorn sheep this year with 25 points. The system worked okay for me. It would have been nice to draw these tags 10 years and 40 lbs ago, but that’s okay. If I could have gave up my chances to draw tags 20 years ago so...

Search the “Search forums” tool and you should be able to find some general information about this unit. I think there was a question about using ATVs on this unit last year. People were saying (and some complaining) that everyone is using ATVs to hunt or at least access this unit.

I am wondering why there was a quota of zero tags for unit 31 type 1 (nonresident)? Anyone know anything about that?

I gather that you must have drew a Nelson DBS tag at some point?

I drew a desert bighorn sheep hunt for the Dirty Devil unit of Utah. By all accounts, I have read that it is rugged country and it can be a tough hunt. There seems to be some pretty good information available on the UDWR website about the locations (canyons) where the sheep can be found. My big...

I have a $574 App Fee for Desert Bighorn Sheep :cool:

Your model neglects to include new people coming into the system each year. You are giving 77 tags each year and removing 77 hunters from the system each year. The fundamental problem is that you have more people coming into the system, each year, than the number of tags so you WILL have point...

300 WM has heavy recoil even with muzzle brake. The muzzle brakes produce obnoxious noise for yourself and peeps around you. If you have to ask if it is “too big”, then it might be more than you really want. It depends on your level of experience and tolerance. Even if you can handle it now, you...

Not necessarily. This could be accomplished using the same “eligiblity” system that is already in place. For example, the current application system says that I am not eligible to apply for LEE because I am in waiting period. It also says that I am not eligible for any of the youth permits...

I think you could leave everything the way it is with several additional restrictions: 1) you can’t apply for GSD and LED in the same year, 2) LLs have to choose whether to receive a GSD or apply for LED (but not both) each year, 3) you can’t apply for more than one LEE, GSE, or antlerless elk...

You are suggesting things that go way beyond what I wrote or intended to say. If you can’t understand what I was trying to say, then this conversation is hopeless.

I suggested that hunters self-regulate the number of helpers they bring with them, as a matter of fair chase. I did not suggest any new rules, especially if they would be unenforceable. I’ve been there myself bringing my wife and young kids. This is not an issue for me in the slightest way. You...

I wasn’t necessarily trying to defend the CWMU program, just saying that making people use their points to purchase a CWMU tag is not going to sit well with the CWMU hunters or owners. I have had mixed experiences with CWMUs and I really don’t have any strong feelings one way or another if the...

Not sure what I said to trigger the H bomb? I think it could jeopardize the CWMU program because the success of the CWMU program depends largely on the willingness of landowners to participate. The landowners expect hunters to pay top dollar for CWMU vouchers. Although many people would still...

Perhaps this is true most of the time, but I was offered an opportunity to buy a discounted CWMU voucher that someone had already purchased and decided to opt out. I would not have done it if it erased my points. I would not underestimate the frugality of wealthy people. It would not have been...

I guess you got all the facts.

No, purchase of a CWMU tag should not cost points because this would disincentivize people from buying these tags and it could jeopardize the whole CWMU program.

I misused the term PP, but Utah actually treats their BPs like PP for half of the permits as they allocate half of the permits to applicants with the most BPs. So I really should have suggested to cap BPs at some level, preferably at a level that is several points above the current maximum...

I think that the Utah’s 50:50 PP/BP system is okay, but I think they should cap the number of PP as soon as possible. A person with 30 PPs should have as much chance as anybody else to draw a PP permit. At some point, enough is enough.

Random is probably best, but bonus points or bonus points squared is defensible. Utah’s 50:50 PP/BP has some merit, but the long-term outlook for the PP permits is bleak. Eventually PP permits will be reserved for people that live the longest. It doesn’t really make sense to have a system where...

The DWR folks are just people. I presume many of them are hunters. I think people often come up with ideas that serve themselves over the interest of others. This is one of those ideas. Did they do this intentionally? Maybe not, but they did not go out of their way to think about downstream...

Why not include the female (doe/cow) in the same draw with bucks and bulls? There is already point creep in the cow elk draw, so why not just put these in with the bull elk draw? Is a cow hunt really any different than a spike bull hunt? I think most states lump male and female in the same...

The proposal outlined in the OP has two parts. The first part involves the way that deer tags are allocated. It has potential to address point creep, which is a real problem imo. The second part involves the deer hunting seasons. I agree with you that this is a bunch of BS. Seems like UT...

Yes, they can get LL tag if they fail to draw a LE tag, but they will not accrue new points if they accept the the LL tag. It does give the LLs an advantage over “everyone else”, but it seems like a reasonable compromise to me. Just for the record, I am not a LL person and I think the LL system...

In this proposal, I believe that “everyone else” loses all points if they draw a tag. The LLs only lose points if they draw a LE tag, and they have option to gain a point if they decline the option to take their GS permit.

You are asking for trouble taking long shots, especially on the opening day of a general season hunt. It is unlikely, or very lucky, that you will anchor that deer down without having him get up and attract the attention of other hunters that might be closer than you are. They end up making the...

Meh

It has potential to help address point creep.

The GS deer hunts that you have preference points for were never intended to be managed as limited entry units. Many of these units still provide good success rates and they have potential to produce big bucks, but most of the deer taken in those units are not trophy size. If that sounds like...

I have avoided hunting areas with known CWD so I believe that the animals I take have been CWD free. Just to be clear, I don’t believe there is any evidence that CWD can jump to humans and that venison is as wholesome or more wholesome than anything I can get in the store.

Although the MD committee and “Dax” might be aware of this proposal, as you mention in your OP, I don’t think the UDWR has posted anything on their website concerning this matter. I am not aware of any mention of this matter in any of the RAC or WB agendas or meetings. I am not aware that they...

There are good arguments to be made for having a totally random draw, but I feel like Utah passed that turn when they started giving out points. I could see pulling the rug out if we were only a few years into it, but pulling the rug out on people that have 10, 20, or even 30 points is brutal. I...

It is my understanding that one of the two men, known acquaintances, was confirmed CJD and one exhibited sudden onset of aggression and confusion before death. The fact that one of these men had CJD does not by itself demonstrate any link to CWD, but both men dying of CJD would be a very...

These are good points, but there will always be great opportunities for successful people to hunt and contribute to wildlife conservation with or without these auction tags. They don’t need to go anti if they stop the auctions.

My main concerns with the high-dollar auction tags are 1) it has spawned an industry of people searching for money bucks, money bulls, and money rams, and 2) it creates a situation where the Wildlife Board and the DWR has to manage units to produce high-dollar trophies (they can’t do anything...

The idea of offering the 3rd archery season has absolutely nothing to do with the problems leading to the need to combine the General and LE hunt into one pool. People are taking advantage of this committee to get something that they want for themselves.

The third archery season is obviously an opportunity grab by someone(s) on the committee. This is typical of how things work in Utah, but it comes as no surprise to me. I also have some concern with the idea of combining points that people have accumulated from the General and LE hunts...