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I'm not sure that is even the case. When school went back into session the next fall Herbert was still the governor. Cox didn't take office until January 2021, so all the masking, quarantine junk that the new school year brought in was still under Herbert. Of course Cox was in the...

Another meltdown in 3…2…

Hey Hoss, you do realize that Cox was not governor when Utah schools shut down, right? It was Gary Herbert at the time. Not arguing whether the acts were right or wrong, just pointing out that you’re naming the wrong governor.

Ha!

Yes. How many you got?

Lyman is worthless. Whether anyone likes Cox or not, we need to realize that he’s going to win this primary in a total landslide. He might win the primary by a larger percentage than he will win the general election. We need to quit putting people like Phil Lyman on tickets for major political...

I’m guessing his probation is 36 months, and these are simply terms of probation. It’s not like the interstate compact bans, but just a judge saying while you’re on probation, these are the terms. Violate, and I’ll send you to prison. I like it!

Except I don’t shed hunt. And Utah hasn’t put a shed season in place for nonresidents. But it’s finally becoming clear what you’re crying about. You like coming to Utah to “poach our sheds” and you’re worried they will put regulations on that. So now I’m 100% in favor of doing so just so I can...

😂😂😂 Those poor people! I hope they’ll be okay after that “labeling.”

Did BGnight just say Utah shed hunters are better at it than Nevada shed hunters?

I’ve never picked up a shed in my life and I couldn’t care less what each state’s regs regarding residents vs nonresidents are. My statement about crying in other states on a thread about an Antelope Island shed hunt remains. Maybe even more so than the first time I said it!

It’s funny to me to see some of the most ardent convention only supporters now saying that the behavior of these delegates may cost them the convention entirely. That it may push Utah into direct primaries and scrap the convention entirely. That would be a natural consequence to this clown...

Couldn’t agree more about the conversation being hopeless.

I didn’t bring it up. You did. You are the one that said one or two helpers and anything else violates fair chase. I was just wondering how your ethics would work out my problem for me. I want to be ethical, after all! But mostly just wanted to show how ridiculous of a statement I think that...

I was told only one, maybe two non-tag holders should be allowed on hunts. Any more than that would be a violation of fair chase. I was just responding to the opinion shared with a question asking for advice if I followed that opinion.

But this proposal shared isn’t about CWMU’s and making their operators happy. It’s about moving people through the deer pool and point creep. If we are serious about addressing point creep, how CWMU operators feel about selling their tags should not crack the top 100 issues to consider when...

Or stay at the front of a line on CWMU and buy the tag next year again, you’re just going to do it with 0 points.

The CWMU program needs some tweaks made to it, but this thread is just about how to move deer hunters through the pool. That said, I see very little chance any CWMU drops out of the program if the hunters that purchase tags lose their points. If the person in this thread wouldn’t have bought...

I’m just asking clarifying questions bessy. You don’t always have to make it about me. And there certainly isn’t a rule that requires you to be a raging douche all the time. The reality is your generation already took a stab at this and FUBAR’d it big time. So please forgive me if I’m looking...

I know this is what you tell us you said back then. None of us were on MM in the early 90s as these ideas were being dreamt up, so we can’t verify. However, I’ll take you at your word that you did say these things. That said, it still doesn’t tell us what “working” means in this context. What...

Against my better judgment, as I’m a little bored in the airport… What did you say wouldn’t work? And if “it” didn’t work, what was “it” supposed to do that “it” didn't?

Yes. If you have a tag, you keep no points. Period. No exceptions. This is not about deer management or even hunt structures for hunters. It's an attempt to address point creep. If you obtain a permit for that species, your points for that species go to zero. That will help point creep more...

This is quite the outburst about Utah shed hunters going out of state on a thread about a shed hunt on Antelope Island. I’m sorry someone else took “your” elk sheds in Nevada. I hope you get all the antlers you feel entitled to in the future!

They are only the eligible applicants that applied for a permit. This is from the draw odds. People that only apply for a point are not included in the draw odds. That is in a separate document. Feel free to poke around this website a bit bobcatbess. It's got a lot of really good information...

Again, I don't know what he applied for, but if he applied only for a preference point then he would not be accounted for on the graphic posted. That is only for people that applied for a permit, not a point only.

Not if he only applied for a point. Those folks are not captured in that graphic.

I think they are using PP and BP as synonyms, but they are not the same thing. As you know.

I’d be fine with random if that was how it always was. You simply can’t go from a point system to full random draw and tell people that have upwards of 30 points “Sorry! Thanks for playing though.” I’m on the record many times on this site saying I don’t think a perfect system for hunt draws...

👆👆 What he said.

Because he’s a RAC member and can make the motion.

There is only one (and sometimes a second) man so obsessed with me that they need pics. Every once in a while JakeH decides he wants to have irrational circular arguments, but he’s usually just a normal dude that likes to discuss stuff on this forum. It cycles though where he feels like he...

Good to see Bessy comes back and immediately posts. three times to himself talking about me. I’m glad some things never change. I can only imagine how bad he’s been chomping at the bit! I guess those pics didn’t hold him over well enough… Try it! Shoot your shot at the next RAC meeting. Let...

How is stating a fact about some archery hunters demanding something a disdain for them? Are you going to argue the proposal does not greatly favor a small segment of hunters? I’ll wait while you talk yourself out of that one. I hunt and help with archery hunters on their tags almost every...

First thing: listen to the people that have actual data. Don’t listen to the farmers and ranchers. Don’t listen to the bow hunter that wants longer seasons on the front end and a rut hunt on the back end. Don’t listen to the hunters that wants 4 point or better so they can artificially inflate...

When it comes to killing big bucks, ridge is definitely an exception. I don’t even know the guy, just followed along over the years on various forums. The guy has killed and helped others kill more big bucks in Utah on general season units than 95% of the Utah hunters out there, I bet. (If not...

It’s odd to me to see someone lecturing Ridgetops on the quality of deer hunting in Utah. Not many guys have hunted and killed big bucks like Ridge has the last 10-15 years. Especially on general units and public land. 95% (maybe even higher) of guys haven’t been as successful and finding...

https://monstermuleys.info/xf/threads/wildlife-board-workshop.206607/ Check the OP Jake. You’re getting pissy and defensive here when it’s not necessary. We know the committee can’t vote to fund highway crossings. But I believe there are things they can do aside from change the point structure...

JakeH, if you’re asking me those questions then you haven’t read any of my other posts in this thread. You’re digging for a treasure that isn’t there. And I’ll maintain, if the only thing this mule deer committee comes up with is this proposal, they will have failed. Just as I explained above!

What Middlefork said. For a lot of us, we look at the recent history of these plans and committees and wonder why they don’t do something to help our deer herds. We can shift tags from one weapon type to another. We can swap season dates. We can add in HAMS hunts. And all that will result in...

If I’ve only given off a hint of arrogance then I’m falling short. I’m way more arrogant than that! My problem with waiting for the public process is by the time those recommendations come out, it’s often too late. And with previous committees I was specifically told public comment would NOT be...