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Nevaeh Crain

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Has right-wing "news" covered Nevaeh Crain at all?

I can't find it anywhere on FNC or anywhere else their viewers frequent. They cover every girl killed by an illegal immigrant on their front page (like right now with https://www.foxnews.com/us/watch-an...makes-impassioned-plea-after-daughters-murder) but I've yet to see them cover the girls killed by the anti-abortion laws.

Do y'all even know how many of these girls are dying? Way too many. There are tons of examples just like this.

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Neveah went to three hospitals and they wouldn't help her because the Texas abortion law punishes doctors with 99 years in prison if they contribute to the death of a fetus. It killed her... and the baby.

www.kvue.com

Report: Pregnant Texas teen died after trying to get care in 3 visits to emergency rooms

It took 20 hours and three ER visits before doctors admitted 18-year-old Nevaeh Crain to the hospital.
www.kvue.com www.kvue.com

Here's another with a similar story where the doctors wouldn't help her.

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www.propublica.org

A Texas Woman Died After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care

Josseli Barnica is one of at least two pregnant Texas women who died after doctors delayed emergency care. She’d told her husband that the medical team said it couldn’t act until the fetal heartbeat stopped.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org
 
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Yep, exactly what I thought, you had no clue. Nothing funnier than young girls and moms dying because of a politician deciding medical treatments by threatening doctors with 99 years in prison, eh flyjunky and rookiewy.

PS. Snoopdogg, my bro is an internal medicine doctor in Texas, that's exactly what is happening there. Those stories aren't "misinformation" like your redstate (😂) article says, in fact, I can show you others too if you'd like. You're quoting misinformation saying other people are misinformation. Textbook projection and smoke and mirrors from right wing extremist sites.
 
grizzly said:
Has right-wing "news" covered Nevaeh Crain at all?

I can't find it anywhere on FNC or anywhere else their viewers frequent. They cover every girl killed by an illegal immigrant on their front page (like right now with https://www.foxnews.com/us/watch-an...makes-impassioned-plea-after-daughters-murder) but I've yet to see them cover the girls killed by the anti-abortion laws.

Do y'all even know how many of these girls are dying? Way too many. There are tons of examples just like this.

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Neveah went to three hospitals and they wouldn't help her because the Texas abortion law punishes doctors with 99 years in prison if they contribute to the death of a fetus. It killed her... and the baby.

www.kvue.com

Report: Pregnant Texas teen died after trying to get care in 3 visits to emergency rooms

It took 20 hours and three ER visits before doctors admitted 18-year-old Nevaeh Crain to the hospital.
www.kvue.com www.kvue.com

Here's another with a similar story where the doctors wouldn't help her.

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www.propublica.org

A Texas Woman Died After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care

Josseli Barnica is one of at least two pregnant Texas women who died after doctors delayed emergency care. She’d told her husband that the medical team said it couldn’t act until the fetal heartbeat stopped.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org
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How many deaths is that in comparison of fentanyl that the Dems have let across the border with their policies?
 
Grizz- just to ease your angst, most Rs do not want abortion restrictions that effect mother's lives. (I for one am not in favor of a ban at all, but that's just my personal view). If there are actually cases where a law gets in the way of saving a mother's life, I would concur it should change.

But if you compared the crap that the Ds have done which kill US citizens to this tragic situation, it's not even on the same planet. Hell, the Ds don't even need laws to do it- just issue orders like forcing nursing home COVID patients back to other 90 year olds and see what happens next. Or catch and release rapists and other dangerous illegals so they can prey on citizens. Or force 5 year olds to wear masks for a couple years, completely screwing up their formative years. Or, or, or...

So on behalf of many conservatives: Ya, nobody's perfect- but some are better than others.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
Grizz- just to ease your angst, most Rs do not want abortion restrictions that effect mother's lives. (I for one am not in favor of a ban at all, but that's just my personal view). If there are actually cases where a law gets in the way of saving a mother's life, I would concur it should change.

But if you compared the crap that the Ds have done which kill US citizens to this tragic situation, it's not even on the same planet. Hell, the Ds don't even need laws to do it- just issue orders like forcing nursing home COVID patients back to other 90 year olds and see what happens next. Or catch and release rapists and other dangerous illegals so they can prey on citizens. Or force 5 year olds to wear masks for a couple years, completely screwing up their formative years. Or, or, or...

So on behalf of many conservatives: Ya, nobody's perfect- but some are better than others.
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We all know this. Grizz is trying his last minute Hail Mary.
 
RookieWYhntr said:
We all know this. Grizz is trying his last minute Hail Mary.
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Haha, I'm agnostic about the election. Here's why...

1. I don't want either of them

2. My vote will go to Trump via the electoral college

3. Trump will declare himself the winner no matter what happens

4. Life will go on regardless of who wins

As far as I'm concerned, those are all true and I can't change them. Therefore, I have no dog in the fight. I haven't lost a minute of sleep worrying about it.
 
Flyjunky12 said:
How many deaths is that in comparison of fentanyl that the Dems have let across the border with their policies?
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HikeHunt61 said:
Grizz- just to ease your angst, most Rs do not want abortion restrictions that effect mother's lives. (I for one am not in favor of a ban at all, but that's just my personal view). If there are actually cases where a law gets in the way of saving a mother's life, I would concur it should change.

But if you compared the crap that the Ds have done which kill US citizens to this tragic situation, it's not even on the same planet. Hell, the Ds don't even need laws to do it- just issue orders like forcing nursing home COVID patients back to other 90 year olds and see what happens next. Or catch and release rapists and other dangerous illegals so they can prey on citizens. Or force 5 year olds to wear masks for a couple years, completely screwing up their formative years. Or, or, or...

So on behalf of many conservatives: Ya, nobody's perfect- but some are better than others.
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What does this have to do with Democrats, masks, or fentanyl? I didn't mention either political party or those other items. Democrats, fentanyl, illegal immigrants, or masks had nothing to do with these draconian big-government laws. These are entirely dreamed up and passed by one group and it's that group that carries the blame.

My point is the millions of people who live in ignorance because they only get their information from places that filter "news" to support an ideology. They dramatize stories that pump up their viewers and ignore those that cut against their viewer's carefully crafted opinions. It's literally exactly what cost FNC $800,000,000 to Dominion and the internal emails proved it.

Yet, millions of people tune in nightly to be forcefed their daily anger-hustle so they can be told who to blame for their problems.

Oh yeah, my other point is that girls are dying because some idiots decided the medical decisions of life-saving emergency healthcare should be left to the government.

Keep waving your flags and chanting "Freedom" though instead of letting people live their own lives and their own beliefs. Why should these girls get to decide if their own lives get saved when FNC has fostered a group of old men to decide it for them? Let's make the dying moms ask the government for permission. That'll fix it.
 
Gee Grizz- you mentioned FNC, so by any reasonable inference you are blaming Rs for your concerns. So coming back with what Ds do is a fair comeback. And since when can't folks bring in tit for tat points countering the magnitude of your concern?

If your concern in FNC itself, we can go all day long on MSNBC, CNN and the MSMs.

And if you believe old men aren't allowed a vote- then you have fallen far off the tracks my friend. They count too.

And if you think only one group is "forcefed" anger- I'll show you 100s of examples where groups aligned with you are "forecfed" massively angry BS.
 
grizzly said:
What does this have to do with Democrats, masks, or fentanyl? I didn't mention either political party or those other items. Democrats, fentanyl, illegal immigrants, or masks had nothing to do with these draconian big-government laws. These are entirely dreamed up and passed by one group and it's that group that carries the blame.

My point is the millions of people who live in ignorance because they only get their information from places that filter "news" to support an ideology. They dramatize stories that pump up their viewers and ignore those that cut against their viewer's carefully crafted opinions. It's literally exactly what cost FNC $800,000,000 to Dominion and the internal emails proved it.

Yet, millions of people tune in nightly to be forcefed their daily anger-hustle so they can be told who to blame for their problems.

Oh yeah, my other point is that girls are dying because some idiots decided the medical decisions of life-saving emergency healthcare should be left to the government.

Keep waving your flags and chanting "Freedom" though instead of letting people live their own lives and their own beliefs. Why should these girls get to decide if their own lives get saved when FNC has fostered a group of old men to decide it for them? Let's make the dying moms ask the government for permission. That'll fix it.
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Christianity is a little older than FNC.
 
grizzly said:
What does this have to do with Democrats, masks, or fentanyl? I didn't mention either political party or those other items. Democrats, fentanyl, illegal immigrants, or masks had nothing to do with these draconian big-government laws. These are entirely dreamed up and passed by one group and it's that group that carries the blame.

My point is the millions of people who live in ignorance because they only get their information from places that filter "news" to support an ideology. They dramatize stories that pump up their viewers and ignore those that cut against their viewer's carefully crafted opinions. It's literally exactly what cost FNC $800,000,000 to Dominion and the internal emails proved it.

Yet, millions of people tune in nightly to be forcefed their daily anger-hustle so they can be told who to blame for their problems.

Oh yeah, my other point is that girls are dying because some idiots decided the medical decisions of life-saving emergency healthcare should be left to the government.

Keep waving your flags and chanting "Freedom" though instead of letting people live their own lives and their own beliefs. Why should these girls get to decide if their own lives get saved when FNC has fostered a group of old men to decide it for them? Let's make the dying moms ask the government for permission. That'll fix it.
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Hearing a lefty talk about people only getting their news from one side is priceless…80%+ of news is for dems.

Dems talking about freedom, priceless yet again. Didn’t your president say, ON NATIONAL TV, “there are no amendments in the constitution that are absolute”? What fking moron president says that?

Get the fk outta here

Btw, saint Obama just pushed the very fine people hoax again at a rally to stir up the idiot dem base…a debunked lie that even msm won’t touch anymore.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
Gee Grizz- you mentioned FNC, so by any reasonable inference you are blaming Rs for your concerns. So coming back with what Ds do is a fair comeback. And since when can't folks bring in tit for tat points countering the magnitude of your concern?

If your concern in FNC itself, we can go all day long on MSNBC, CNN and the MSMs.

And if you believe old men aren't allowed a vote- then you have fallen far off the tracks my friend. They count too.

And if you think only one group is "forcefed" anger- I'll show you 100s of examples where groups aligned with you are "forecfed" massively angry BS.
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My "concern" isn't FNC, it's that their viewers don't know the truth because they only watch one channel who filters their info. Y'all think there are a bunch of "murderers and rapists" coming across the border (even though immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than naturally-born citizens), but don't know that innocent girls are dying because of draconian anti-freedom laws based on a religious teaching (see notdons reply below; and then go read the First Amendment)


notdonhunting said:
Christianity is a little older than FNC.
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You don't own "Christianity" and there are plenty of Christians that don't agree with your brand of beliefs. You're talking to one right now. My beliefs say, "Judge not" and "Let them come to me." Not everybody reads those teachings the way I do, I understand. We all get our own relationship with our own beliefs.


Flyjunky12 said:
Hearing a lefty talk about people only getting their news from one side is priceless…80%+ of news is for dems.
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I knew what FNC was saying about immigrants. You didn't know about Texas letting girls die because the doctors were afraid of new abortion laws.


notdonhunting said:
Well my friend, you are getting one of them.
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Yep, and I'll be fine either way. I'm not concerned about it, life goes on. The last few years have been great for my businesses as well as both of my brothers' businesses so I know I'm not alone in benefitting from the current administration and I fit the demographic that will do well under a Trump administration. It's literally no skin off my back, hence why I really don't care who wins.

I'm a lot more concerned about Utah using my tax dollars trying to take public lands than I am about who is in the White House next year.
 
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Flyjunky12 said:
Dems talking about freedom, priceless yet again. Didn’t your president say, ON NATIONAL TV, “there are no amendments in the constitution that are absolute”? What fking moron president says that?
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He's an idiot and not on the ballot.

You know who is on the ballot? The guy who called for the "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution" so he could stay in power. Yeah, the same guy that tried to overthrow our Constitution to save his tender ego.

Literally hundreds of former Republican staffers have said Trump can't be allowed near the Oval Office again. Hundreds.

Let me guess... they're all Deep State and the convicted felon who wants to terminate the Constitution is the good guy 😂
 
HikeHunt61 said:
And if you believe old men aren't allowed a vote- then you have fallen far off the tracks my friend. They count too.
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Did you really not gather that the old men referred to state legislatures?


HikeHunt61 said:
And if you think only one group is "forcefed" anger- I'll show you 100s of examples where groups aligned with you are "forecfed" massively angry BS.
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K. Name one. You can't, because you don't know who I'm "aligned" with and I guarantee I'll have absolutely zero connection to whatever group you come up with.
 
This happened in 2021. Who was president then?

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In 2021, a woman died a “preventable” and “horrific” death in Texas after being forced to wait 40 hours to receive miscarriage care under the state’s then-six-week abortion ban.
 
Homer said:
WOW....you are out there...
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I didn't attack anybody and everything I said is 100% accurate. It's just shocking to you because it's not what FNC allows you to see so it seems novel.

Thanks for the well thought out response though. Another great contribution.
 
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Cali4x4 said:
This happened in 2021. Who was president then?

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In 2021, a woman died a “preventable” and “horrific” death in Texas after being forced to wait 40 hours to receive miscarriage care under the state’s then-six-week abortion ban.
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🤦 It's not about who was president. It's about the people who passed the law. I guess you could argue a different president could pass a law to protect women's healthcare rights. Is that what you were getting at?

Thanks for the example though in the dangers of these laws to young women 👍
 
grizzly said:
🤦 It's not about who was president. It's about the people who passed the law. I guess you could argue a different president could pass a law to protect women's healthcare rights. Is that what you were getting at?

Thanks for the example though in the dangers of these laws to young women 👍
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Why did it take 3 years for the legacy media to report on this tragedy?

Seems like a political hack job. Phony outrage by the libtards of the left
 
grizzly said:
My "concern" isn't FNC, it's that their viewers don't know the truth because they only watch one channel who filters their info. Y'all think there are a bunch of "murderers and rapists" coming across the border (even though immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than naturally-born citizens), but don't know that innocent girls are dying because of draconian anti-freedom laws based on a religious teaching (see notdons reply below; and then go read the First Amendment)



You don't own "Christianity" and there are plenty of Christians that don't agree with your brand of beliefs. You're talking to one right now. My beliefs say, "Judge not" and "Let them come to me." Not everybody reads those teachings the way I do, I understand. We all get our own relationship with our own beliefs.



I knew what FNC was saying about immigrants. You didn't know about Texas letting girls die because the doctors were afraid of new abortion laws.



Yep, and I'll be fine either way. I'm not concerned about it, life goes on. The last few years have been great for my businesses as well as both of my brothers' businesses so I know I'm not alone in benefitting from the current administration and I fit the demographic that will do well under a Trump administration. It's literally no skin off my back, hence why I really don't care who wins.

I'm a lot more concerned about Utah using my tax dollars trying to take public lands than I am about who is in the White House next year.
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Grizz, you are a special person🤣 only you can lecture us about judging others, and then turn right around and tell us how we are ignorant on world views just because we do not agree with you🙃
 
Wow. The mental gymnastics of the far right to justify their "Party Over Country" ideology, even defending anti-freedom positions that kill innocent young women or outright calling their deaths fake or phony... Wow, just wow.
 
notdonhunting said:
Grizz, you are a special person🤣 only you can lecture us about judging others, and then turn right around and tell us how we are ignorant on world views just because we do not agree with you🙃
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I didn't judge, I asked if any of you knew. Not a single one said you did.

I also provided actual links from today justifying my position on what FNC allows you to see. I haven't seen any FNC links about these girls dying when the doctors are afraid to help them. Anybody?

Has Fox covered it? That was a serious question, does FNC cover it or just sensationalize every immigrant story they can by covering them at the top of the page like they were doing this morning?

I'm certain FNCs immigrant stories outnumber articles on these girls dying by a factor of hundreds. But are there any stories about these young women dying or losing their ability to ever have children again because of these laws?
 
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grizzly said:
So? Taylor Swift endorsed Harris. What's your point?

Why should I care who somebody on social media supports? I literally can't think of anything less influential than a celebrity endorsement.
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Oh my response wasn't meant for you. Thanks for replying though?
 
Homer said:
You are so right Grizz.....Those dead babies don't matter....
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I'll slow down for you, the babies all died with their moms. Their to-be siblings all lost their moms too. Their dads all lost their child and the mother of their child. Their grandparents all lost their daughters and their grandchild. In all of those cases, the baby wasn't going to make it regardless; it was the mom who died needlessly.

But at least you think it's your call to make and force on the young women and their families who were literally at the hospital begging for help with nowhere else to go as they bled out and died of septicemia.

Small government and personal freedom, right?
 
grizzly said:
I did. It claims "misinformation" which is itself misinformation. I also offered the first-person reference that I have on the ground in Texas. You apparently missed the reference based on your response.
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So, whose information is best/correct? Yours or mine? I'll use my "filter" aka judgment and make up my own mind. Tellingly, you called what I posted misinformation, I read it as clarification.

As for your in the ground person in Texas--cool! I'll make note if that since apparently, your person is in the know. I'll use my handy-dandy judgment and make my own decision.

Have a great night!
 
grizzly said:
I didn't judge, I asked if any of you knew. Not a single one said you did.

I also provided actual links from today justifying my position on what FNC allows you to see. I haven't seen any FNC links about these girls dying when the doctors are afraid to help them. Anybody?

Has Fox covered it? That was a serious question, does FNC cover it or just sensationalize every immigrant story they can by covering them at the top of the page like they were doing this morning?

I'm certain FNCs immigrant stories outnumber articles on these girls dying by a factor of hundreds. But are there any stories about these young women dying or losing their ability to ever have children again because of these laws?
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You know nothing about me, you have no idea of what I watch and what I read.
Honestly yes I did not know about the yoing lady from Texas that you shared the story about, but yes I have read about a couple others.
The Texas young lady died in 2021, so how is it the fault of the Suprem Courts over turning Roe vs Wade?
How about Amber Thurman, you know the young lady that died from taking the abortion pill in Georgia. The same young lady that Kamala and looney tune Waltz keeps harping on and then the family came out and said it was not the fault of the strict abortion law. We do not hear from Kamala and loony tune Waltz on that one anymore.
Maybe we do know somethings maybe we just let you hang yourself.
Next time you want to preach to me about Christianity and about not judging others. Maybe you should recognize the comment
"Why should these girls get to decide if their own lives get saved when FNC has fostered a group of old men to decide it for them"
That is your exact comment.

FNC did not foster my view on abortion I had my personal view long before FNC existed.
Maybe the fact I have a grandson that was borned at 32 weeks prematurely, and the fact him and his mom faught for 110 days for him to live.
Kamala would not state what point abortion should not take place. I do know one thing ABORTION AT 32 WEEKS IS MURDER.
If the Democratic party had full control of abortion they would allow murder after full term + 24 hours.
Tim "FN" Waltz approved a viable fetus after abortion can not have any medical help. That is murder
I am sorry for some young ladys dying after botched abortion and maybe a miscarriage, but what about all them abortions after 16 weeks, or 24 weeks, or 32 weeks, or 36 weeks.
 
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So, whose information is best/correct? Yours or mine? I'll use my "filter" aka judgment and make up my own mind. Tellingly, you called what I posted misinformation, I read it as clarification.

As for your in the ground person in Texas--cool! I'll make note if that since apparently, your person is in the know. I'll use my handy-dandy judgment and make my own decision.

Have a great night!
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Dude, you can have any opinion you want. If you decide that those girls regrettably need to die and are collateral damage so the government can tell other women what to do with their bodies in the name of anti-abortion legislation, that's your call. That's your judgement. I'll disagree with it, but I'll respect your right to believe it. I'm not okay watching a young girl bleed out or die of infection if I have the tools to try and help her. Frankly, I doubt you are either.

If your judgement is made without all the information because you hid from truths you didn't like or your "news" didn't tell you things that went against your beliefs, then that's not judgement at all. It's just an opinion without all the information.

If you have real info in front of you and call it fake or phony because it counters what you thought you believed; even with real live people, names, photos, and personal relatives sitting in a hospital in Texas watching it first-hand, well, that's just willful ignorance. That's straight up ostrich head in the sand material.

PS. I know that's not what you said here, but it appears some are taking that position. I just don't get it.

PPS. This was never meant to be a discussion on abortion, it was about the selective info people receive and whether or not their personal sources are telling them both sides of a story. It's abundantly clear, that in this sphere, the majority of active participants aren't getting info that isn't selectively pre-screened for them.

I'd have thought people would be upset by innocent American girls begging for help and being left to die because of government regulation. I was wrong, instead those "pro-life" people just called it fake and justified it by pointing to other bad actions.

I seriously don't get it. And I doubt that's a position I'll ever understand.

But you have a good night too! Thanks for keeping it on point 👍
 
grizzly said:
This was never meant to be a discussion on abortion, it was about the selective info people receive and whether or not their personal sources are telling them both sides of a story.
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grizzly said:
when FNC has fostered a group of old men to decide it for them.
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Got it- you simply want to focus on FNC, not abortion, or any other elements related to the media. Well, except all the points you made about the bad abortion laws. Nice, narrow package.

If that is the limit you allow for the discussion, then once again let me ease your concern:

1) FNC has less than 3 million viewers. That's about 1.3% of potential voters. Heck, Joe Rogan has 18 million subscribers by comparison.

2) Almost all those old men lawmakers you state are forcing their views on people were elected to office long before FNC got popular or maybe even existed. Even if you disagree with that, go back to point 1).

3) The vast majority of voters who reelect all those old men lawmakers do not watch FNC. Do the math.

4) And again, since you ignored the point- most conservatives do not want laws that put mother's lives in danger. Count me double.

Lastly- I agree FNC is an echo chamber for anti-abortion conservatives. That's why the vast majority of voters (98.7%) do not watch it. It's just not a needle mover.
 
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And...

Even if FNC had all that influence you are concerned about, and published abortion news you think they should, it wouldn't affect which lawmakers get elected. Abortion is 9th on the list of concerns for Americans- even behind gun policy, at 8th, per Gallup.

No reasonable person is a one issue voter. You take the bad with the good no matter who you vote for.

With all that said- I concur that it's terrible that even one woman would lose her life over a seriously draconian abortion law.
 
grizzly said:
Dude, you can have any opinion you want. If you decide that those girls regrettably need to die and are collateral damage so the government can tell other women what to do with their bodies in the name of anti-abortion legislation, that's your call. That's your judgement.
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You argue like a CNN or Guardian reporter. You post your premise, which I reject thoroughly, because I was already familiar with the topic. You having someone "in the field" in the state is like saying Buzz knows his sh*t on immigration. Yeah, that is about as good as your arguments here.

I also read the one-sided, slanted, biased reporting of what you posted (you posted the Guardian for God's sake!) I still reject it, still reject your premise and reject your assertion that what I posted was misinformation, as have several others.

My post with links to media repudiating your view is just as valid as yours. Like a good troll, you're bringing this back to an emotional level (young American mom's dying!) to shame us into agreeing with your view---NOT! What you posted from the far-left legacy media outlet does still not refute how these gals died--they died and that's sad. But yeah, not buying what you're selling.

I'm going to stop myself now, because I feel like you will argue this to death like some of the best trolls (aforementioned Buzz/immigration, Tri/poachers, Browneye/Utah politics).

You've gotten a lot of good mileage on this trolling post with nothing bravo.

P.S. Thanks for the Trump vote.
 
I've asked for examples of conservative coverage of these stories over and over. The fact that nobody has provided them answered my question and I haven't been able to find them via Google searches either.

This was never meant to be a discussion on abortion. I've never thought it was helpful to argue abortion since nobody will change anybody's mind. I said as much over two years ago when I said I wasn't going to argue abortion...

grizzly said:
Can we end this already?

None of this is helpful or will change anybody's mind on abortion. There may be room to come together in a thoughtful discussion about gun laws (red flag, NFA, waiting period, age restrictions, etc...) but abortion WON'T be solved here.

PS. I think every one of us owns guns, but none of us have ever had an abortion... so we're probably not the best people to wax poetic on the subject.
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I asked a serious question and was met with responses about Democrats (who had nothing to do with passing the laws I was asking about) covid masks, fentanyl, and a bunch of other unhelpful and unrelated responses.

Ultimately y'all answered my question about what you're not told. If any of you want to add an alternative media source to your daily reading, you can, just like I read FNC every day so I get both sides of the story.

I haven't seen anybody take a position of, "Wow, I didn't know I wasn't getting all the info, I should read liberal media so I see both sides." But, I guess that's your call too.

If anybody wants to have an actual discussion, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I got an answer to the question I was asking.
 
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grizzly said:
I've asked for examples of conservative coverage of these stories over and over. The fact that nobody has provided them answered my question and I haven't been able to find them via Google searches either.

This was never meant to be a discussion on abortion. I've never thought it was helpful to argue abortion since nobody will change anybody's mind. I said as much over two years ago when I said I wasn't going to argue abortion...



I asked a serious question and was met with responses about Democrats (who had nothing to do with passing the laws I was asking about) covid masks, fentanyl, and a bunch of other unhelpful and unrelated responses.

Ultimately y'all answered my question about what you're not told. If any of you want to add an alternative media source to your daily reading, you can, just like I read FNC every day so I get both sides of the story.

I haven't seen anybody take a position of, "Wow, I didn't know I wasn't getting all the info, I should read liberal media so I see both sides." But, I guess that's your call too.

If anybody wants to have an actual discussion, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I got an answer to the question I was asking.
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So this waste of time was about watch more than Fox?

Why not add in MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc, etc? There were and still are people who believed in the Russia hoax, the border was really closed, the censorship of social media in regards to Covid, Biden wasn’t mentally unfit…..I could go on forever.

So, if you want to have a serious discussion try to include both sides in your “get news from multiple sources rant”.

I haven’t watched msm in over 2 years.
 
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If anybody wants to have an actual discussion, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I got an answer to the question I was asking.
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Seriously: FNC is biased towards conservative views. But I figure you knew that before you asked the question.

Nobody goes to FNC to get an unbiased view of the world.

Nobody goes to CNN to get an unbiased view of the world.

Honestly Grizz- I don't believe you are "asking a question"- you are far too smart not to know the answer already.

And if you think that conservatives only source of news in FNC, you are way off base.
 
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I thought there were HIPPA laws. How are all these details coming out?
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Those cases in that article were cherry picked by an author looking to write a pro-abortion propaganda article....for the purpose of getting stooges like Grizzly to promote them....

SAD SAD cases for sure.
 
RookieWYhntr said:
Wow, I didn't know I wasn't getting this info from FNC. Happy now?
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Now you do. It's up to you what you do with that knowledge. I think you've been clear about the answer.
Flyjunky12 said:
So this waste of time was about watch more than Fox?

Why not add in MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc, etc? There were and still are people who believed in the Russia hoax, the border was really closed, the censorship of social media in regards to Covid, Biden wasn’t mentally unfit…..I could go on forever.

So, if you want to have a serious discussion try to include both sides in your “get news from multiple sources rant”.

I haven’t watched msm in over 2 years.
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Russia, immigration, Biden... 🤦

Wow. Just think, if you added some MSM to your diet, you'd get more info than you do now because your alternative sources are clearly editing out what they don't want you to hear. Or, you can be comfortable only hearing one side of the story and thinking your opinions are fully educated. Its your call.

PS. I do get my news from "both sides" hence the reason I knew to ask you the question.

HikeHunt61 said:
Seriously: FNC is biased towards conservative views. But I figure you knew that before you asked the question.

Nobody goes to FNC to get an unbiased view of the world.

Nobody goes to CNN to get an unbiased view of the world.

Honestly Grizz- I don't believe you are "asking a question"- you are far too smart not to know the answer already.

And if you think that conservatives only source of news in FNC, you are way off base.
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I clearly stated in my second sentence of the OP that I couldn't find it on FNC; I had already looked there and other right wing sources. My question was if y'all were getting the info from somewhere else. The answer is resoundingly that you're not. That was a legitimate question. I'm not surprised at the answer, but I am surprised that you're okay with the answer.

eelgrass said:
I thought there were HIPPA laws. How are all these details coming out?
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HIPAA is Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. It only applies to sharing info between insurance providers.

There are separate confidentiality laws that protect patient information, but nothing prevents an individual from talking about their own experiences or waiving confidentiality. There is no accusation here by the families of the victims that any confidentiality has been breached.
 
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The answer is resoundingly that you're not.
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Not true. I had definitely read of multiple deaths being attributed to abortion laws. Of course, I doubt the truth is nearly as simple as you or The Guardian claims. As a matter of fact, the first one I read I immediately googled other articles- some backing it up, others casting doubt. Like all tragic things tied to a political hot potato, the truth is often in the eye of the beholder.

And you were the one who claimed FNC is the reason for the laws. Not in your OP, but later. You clearly stated it. You'll have to excuse folks for responding with rolling eyes at that.
 
grizzly said:
Now you do. It's up to you what you do with that knowledge. I think you've been clear about the answer.

Russia, immigration, Biden... 🤦

Wow. Just think, if you added some MSM to your diet, you'd get more info than you do now because your alternative sources are clearly editing out what they don't want you to hear. Or, you can be comfortable only hearing one side of the story and thinking your opinions are fully educated. Its your call.

PS. I do get my news from "both sides" hence the reason I knew to ask you the question.



I clearly stated in my second sentence of the OP that I couldn't find it on FNC; I had already looked there and other right wing sources. My question was if y'all were getting the info from somewhere else. The answer is resoundingly that you're not. That was a legitimate question. I'm not surprised at the answer, but I am surprised that you're okay with the answer.


HIPAA is Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. It only applies to sharing info between insurance providers.

There are separate confidentiality laws that protect patient information, but nothing prevents an individual from talking about their own experiences or waiving confidentiality. There is no accusation here by the families of the victims that any confidentiality has been breached.
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Let’s see Greenwald, Taibbi, Shellenberger, Devine, Ball, etc.. Some if these are former NYT journalists, gay, democrats. Substack is a great place to find journalists who actually investigate. The only way, in my opinion, is to listen to independent people who don’t have editors telling them what they can/can’t say. The biggest lies we’ve seen have all come from msm over the last 20 years, think about it.

Why do you think msm ratings are tanking? They’ve lost ALL credibility, especially after the edited Kamaltoe interview, Biden overthrow, Russia Hoax, and Biden family corruption.
 
I get my news from monster muleys.:p I cut out the news. All the news stations should be let go due to piss poor journalism. I remember when they reported the news now they pick and choose and make up a narrative to sell to the American people.

My stress levels went down, dont have to argue with people if your not up to times on the complete bull sh!t in this country. In the end i am just a nobody.

I do listen to some of the Tucker Carlson interviews. His new style is pretty good. Even listening to the Cuomo interview was pretty good.
 
It's too bad those girls were in Texas. The first step to treating a pregnant girl with an infection who wants a baby would be to abort the baby. Any ER doctor would know that. Too bad there was probably 30 illegal immigrants ahead of her at the ER or she could have got in sooner.

There could be more to these stories but I couldn't find any statements from the doctors.
 
eelgrass said:
It's too bad those girls were in Texas. The first step to treating a pregnant girl with an infection who wants a baby would be to abort the baby. Any ER doctor would know that.
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You're correct. In an extremely critical situation, say where they're administering CPR, they attempt for two minutes before aborting the baby to save the mom's life. The baby takes so much blood from the mom (and the anatomy is such that the baby puts pressure on vital organs) that the best chance to save the mom is to take the baby. Obviously, if they don't save the mom, the baby is lost anyway so they try and at least save one life.

The problem is these laws prevent that type of treatment, sometimes even when necessary, so the moms are being killed even as they are standing in the hospital trying to get help.

It's horrific to let a pregnant girl die in the one place she went to get help because of what some politicians decide should be her fate. But, it's the law in those states right now.


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Too bad there was probably 30 illegal immigrants ahead of her at the ER or she could have got in sooner.
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That's a statement with no evidence or basis in fact. I've not seen one claim that said those girls died because of illegal immigrants in the hospital. And you can rest assured that if it were the case, Fox would be all over it... that is certain.
 
grizzly said:
Has right-wing "news" covered Nevaeh Crain at all?

I can't find it anywhere on FNC or anywhere else their viewers frequent. They cover every girl killed by an illegal immigrant on their front page (like right now with https://www.foxnews.com/us/watch-an...makes-impassioned-plea-after-daughters-murder) but I've yet to see them cover the girls killed by the anti-abortion laws.

Do y'all even know how many of these girls are dying? Way too many. There are tons of examples just like this.

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Neveah went to three hospitals and they wouldn't help her because the Texas abortion law punishes doctors with 99 years in prison if they contribute to the death of a fetus. It killed her... and the baby.

www.kvue.com

Report: Pregnant Texas teen died after trying to get care in 3 visits to emergency rooms

It took 20 hours and three ER visits before doctors admitted 18-year-old Nevaeh Crain to the hospital.
www.kvue.com www.kvue.com

Here's another with a similar story where the doctors wouldn't help her.

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A Texas Woman Died After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care

Josseli Barnica is one of at least two pregnant Texas women who died after doctors delayed emergency care. She’d told her husband that the medical team said it couldn’t act until the fetal heartbeat stopped.
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It says she got sepsis which is a miscarriage. Article is very off on the first article. So she had a miscarriage they refused to clean the dead fetus.
 
nfh said:
It says she got sepsis which is a miscarriage. Article is very off on the first article.
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Sepsis is not a miscarriage.....sepsis is an infection from an unexpelled miscarriage.....the story is bullshit.....
 
grizzly said:
That's a statement with no evidence or basis in fact. I've not seen one claim that said those girls died because of illegal immigrants in the hospital. And you can rest assured that if it were the case, Fox would be all over it... that is certain.
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I said probably. 11 million illegal immigrants aren't making doctor appointments. Maybe not so much where you live but I bet Texas is swamped as is California. A 4 hour wait to see an ER doctor is not uncommon where I live. Very little English is spoken in the ER here.

I also find it hard to believe a doctor said to himself "I could save this girl's life but I would risk the life of the child and my career, so I'll just give her an aspirin and send her home." That's what these articles imply. They didn't interview any of the doctors. I wonder why?
 
nfh said:
It says she got sepsis which is a miscarriage. Article is very off on the first article. So she had a miscarriage they refused to clean the dead fetus.
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Sepsis isn't a miscarriage, it's an infection. The baby still had a heartbeat so the doctors refused to treat the sepsis in fear it could cause a miscarriage and send them to prison for up to 99 years.

To be clear, sepsis is a life-threatening infection. It is not a miscarriage. Anybody can go septic, not just pregnant women.

eelgrass said:
I also find it hard to believe a doctor said to himself "I could save this girl's life but I would risk the life of the child and my career, so I'll just give her an aspirin and send her home." That's what these articles imply. They didn't interview any of the doctors. I wonder why?
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The nurse notes specifically said the baby still has a heartbeat, that's why they wouldn't treat.

The doctors can't talk unless the patient waives confidentiality. The patient, however, is free to talk if they'd like. That's how the system works.

The doctor owes the patient confidentiality, not the other way around. If the patient said something defamatory, the doctor could likely pursue damages. (This is essentially what happened with Bundy in Idaho, the hospital sued him for defamation and won.)
 
The article says she had the miscarriage then got sepsis. I understand it's a infection but she got it due to the miscarriage, the dead fetus inside and the placenta causing her to have the infection

Sounds like she was denied the abortion well before the miscarriage.

Is she denied the abortion or is she denied care after the miscarriage.

The article is written horrible which is expected with today's Journalism
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grizzly said:
Yep, exactly what I thought, you had no clue. Nothing funnier than young girls and moms dying because of a politician deciding medical treatments by threatening doctors with 99 years in prison, eh flyjunky and rookiewy.

PS. Snoopdogg, my bro is an internal medicine doctor in Texas, that's exactly what is happening there. Those stories aren't "misinformation" like your redstate (😂) article says, in fact, I can show you others too if you'd like. You're quoting misinformation saying other people are misinformation. Textbook projection and smoke and mirrors from right wing extremist sites.
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I'm guessing they are somewhere close to the stories about the 60 millionish kids killed via abortions?

I actually heard this on Breaking points. I know, one of those "podcasts"

But I'm not sure how the analogy works?

A 12 yr old girl gets kidnapped, raped, tied up and tossed over a bridge, by someone who broke into a sovereign country, is the same as the state putting equal value on a baby and it's mother?

Not sure they are the same
 
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hossblur said:
I'm guessing they are somewhere close to the stories about the 60 millionish kids killed via abortions?

I actually heard this on Breaking points. I know, one of those "podcasts"

But I'm not sure how the analogy works?

A 12 yr old girl gets kidnapped, raped, tied up and tossed over a bridge, by someone who broke into a sovereign country, is the same as the state putting equal value on a baby and it's mother?

Not sure they are the same
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Don't confuse Grizz with common sense. He prefers open borders and migrant crime.
Don't even start on abortion. Full term or nothing for him. No limits
 
Since @grizzly introduced him to the discussion, I have a question, maybe he can ask his brother.

Did he take the Hippocratic Oath? If so, "Do no Harm", how does one square that circle in regards to abortion?
 
notdonhunting said:
You know nothing about me, you have no idea of what I watch and what I read.
Honestly yes I did not know about the yoing lady from Texas that you shared the story about, but yes I have read about a couple others.
The Texas young lady died in 2021, so how is it the fault of the Suprem Courts over turning Roe vs Wade?
How about Amber Thurman, you know the young lady that died from taking the abortion pill in Georgia. The same young lady that Kamala and looney tune Waltz keeps harping on and then the family came out and said it was not the fault of the strict abortion law. We do not hear from Kamala and loony tune Waltz on that one anymore.
Maybe we do know somethings maybe we just let you hang yourself.
Next time you want to preach to me about Christianity and about not judging others. Maybe you should recognize the comment
"Why should these girls get to decide if their own lives get saved when FNC has fostered a group of old men to decide it for them"
That is your exact comment.

FNC did not foster my view on abortion I had my personal view long before FNC existed.
Maybe the fact I have a grandson that was borned at 32 weeks prematurely, and the fact him and his mom faught for 110 days for him to live.
Kamala would not state what point abortion should not take place. I do know one thing ABORTION AT 32 WEEKS IS MURDER.
If the Democratic party had full control of abortion they would allow murder after full term + 24 hours.
Tim "FN" Waltz approved a viable fetus after abortion can not have any medical help. That is murder
I am sorry for some young ladys dying after botched abortion and maybe a miscarriage, but what about all them abortions after 16 weeks, or 24 weeks, or 32 weeks, or 36 weeks.
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