Vote in November to Ban Mountain Lion hunting!!

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The large number of non-voters in this political blow-hard state is unreal. If these peeps would get off their dam phone and vote rather than bich about the outcomes of the voting we'd be in a whole lot better position. Encourage folks to register and vote. 1 Million + eligible non-voters in Colorado.
 
I betting it will pass. Last I heard the vast majority of funding pouring into Save the hunt and Howl was nonresident money. Residents won’t even open their wallet you think their going to get off the ass and go vote.🤣
 
It’s on the Ballot to vote this November! 1st wolves now lions! Deer and Elk are next!!
Nope bears will be next. That way they have all the Apex predators protected then the deer and elk will have even more problems trying to survive.
 
Nope bears will be next. That way they have all the Apex predators protected then the deer and elk will have even more problems trying to survive.
Yep! And you will be called nuts for saying this. Give it 5-10 years. And give it another few years and the need for hunting will be gone. Anti hunters are way better at the long game then we are.
 
I had participated in a Q&A Thursday with proponents of the measure. They are starting: trophy hunting , fair chase, and lack of value to the state all based around emotions. They include the lynx in the measure too making it appear as the lynx needs protection. False advertisement and messaging which was clearly pointed out to them. Discrimination was brought to them as well against rural customs and cultures. They don't care how they win, just as long as they win and sportspersons lose.
 
Yep! And you will be called nuts for saying this. Give it 5-10 years. And give it another few years and the need for hunting will be gone. Anti hunters are way better at the long game then we are.
Vote conservative for your Gov! They would have a lot of sway in these matters. Unfortunately, your big metropolis's (ESPECIALLY DENVER) have more sway via numbers. :mad:

That's why California is where it is, Sac, LA, Bay Area, and San Diego trump everybody else. Eff the country folks, it's all about the city folk making the rules.
 
A note to all the fisherman- the same groups funding the ban also would like to see the torturing on fish (catching/catch and release) to stop as they feel this is not necessary in today's world.
 
In just the last 6 months 42000 Illegals have been shipped to Denver alone.

Their predation of both votes and wildlife is another gift from the libs that needs to be delt with.
 
Tom Tancredo is a dumbass. Tell everyone you know :mad:

Udall has always been a democrat stooge.

What an idiot - how would they use this ban sparingly! What have they exhausted? He is an absolute idiot with his comments and support. I am so glad he is no longer representing Colorado.
 
What an idiot - how would they use this ban sparingly! What have they exhausted? He is an absolute idiot with his comments and support. I am so glad he is no longer representing Colorado.
Yeah, and who’s shipping the hides to China? Maybe a Utah outfitter has set up a shipping company? :censored:
 
What about "trophy" desert bighorn sheep populations in Western Colorado. The CPW enacted regulations a few years back to increase mtn lion quotas in Western Colorado because the desert sheep population was in peril due to all of the lions in that area. What happens if lions are no longer hunted in those areas? Will the "trophy" desert sheep slowly but surely disappear from Colorado? There are a bunch of journal publications that document mortality of desert and bighorn sheep populations by lions.

Although, many predators kill bighorn sheep, only mountain lions are currently considered to be the primary proximate cause of mortality for many bighorn sheep populations.

Control of mountain lions, when mountain lion-ungulate ratios are high, might be required to protect small or endangered bighorn sheep populations, and to produce bighorn sheep for restoration efforts. © 2017 The Wildlife Society.



Once in danger of becoming extinct, the desert bighorn sheep (Ovis canadensis) have made a comeback in parts of western Colorado. A small population was reintroduced to Colorado National Monument in 1979. Over 230 sheep have been sighted and monitored across the public lands of the Grand Valley, including Colorado National Monument and the neighboring McInnis Canyons wilderness area.

Predation by mountain lions, Puma concolor, is recognized as a potentially major threat to desert bighorn sheep, Ovis canadensis nelson, populations. Although of secondary importance to disease, mountain lion predation has been implicated in reducing bighorn sheep populations in no less than 10 studies. Mountain lion predation is often thought to exacerbate the effects of disease and declining habitat quality (such as drought), but predation alone can have substantial effects when either individual mountain lions specialize in killing sheep or mountain lions switch prey when other prey (typically mule deer, Odocoileus hemionus) change in availability.

 
Here's an interesting New Mexico desert sheep article:

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Figure 2. Population estimates of bighorn in New Mexico before and after implementation of the cougar removal program 1980-2008 (237 bighorn released 1987-2001, and 178 bighorn released 2001-2008).

Science and Hard Work, A Story About Saving Desert Bighorn Sheep in New Mexico

Elise J. GoldsteinEric M. RomingerBryan C. Bartlett

Desert bighorn sheep populations in New Mexico are on the rise, as evidenced by downlisting them from state endangered to state threatened in 2008. Historically, desert bighorn likely roamed most arid mountain ranges in southern New Mexico. Unfortunately, populations had declined significantly by the early 1990s, and by 1940only 2 populations remained. Thus began a long and ongoing effort by many individuals, organizations, and agencies, to save desert bighorn in New Mexico.

The Desert Bighorn Recovery Program

Recognizing the need for source stock to repopulate wild herds, the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish (NMDGF) started a captive breeding program at the Red Rock Wildlife Area in 1972. It has since been expanded to encompass 5 km2 of canyons, springs, and steep slopes that the bighorn population calls home. Since 1979, a total of 353 bighorn have been transplanted out of the facility and into the wild. Thanks to our friends in Arizona, an additional 74 have been transplanted from the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge, AZ.Desert bighorn were listed as a state endangered species in New Mexico in 1980. Despite transplant efforts, bighorn recovery made scant progress as numbers in the wild never exceeded 215 in the 1980s and 1990s.

Monitoring efforts in the 1990s documented that cougar predation was responsible for approximately 85% of all known-caused mortality of radio collared desert bighorn. This prompted the State Game Commission to approve a management action to remove cougars in desert bighorn range. Cougar removal was effectively implemented in autumn 2001 by contracted snaremen and houndsmen, when the statewide wild desert bighorn population was less than 170. Cougar control was conducted in the Peloncillo, Hatchet, San Andres, and Ladron mountains. In the Fra Cristobal Mountains, cougar removal intensity varied over time such that cougar control was established only rarely, resulting in a less aggressive management action. In conjunction with cougar removal, all adult bighorn transplanted to the wild were radio collared, and field biologists monitored the populations topromptly detect mortalities and facilitate cougar capture when necessary. Annual ground and/or helicopter population surveys were conducted to monitor population size.

The Program’s Impact on Cougars

Cougars are a big game animal in New Mexico, with a hunting season from October to April. Under the bighorn protection program, an average of 3.3 cougars was killed per mountain range each year. Removal occurred on less than 1% of total cougar habitat in New Mexico, and represents less than 1% of the estimated statewide population. The total number of cougars killed per management zone, including those taken specifically to protect bighorn, has been below the maximum number allowed to maintain sustainable cougar populations as established in the NMDGF Harvest Management Matrix.The

Program’s Impact on BighornMortality rates - To evaluate the impact cougar predation has had on desert bighorn populations in the New Mexico, we collected data from radiocollared bighorn from 1992-2008 and estimated mortality rates under different management regimes. Mortality data was divided into 3 time periods: 1) a period of minimum protection when few cougars were removed to protect bighorn,; 2) a period of partial protection when some cougarswere removed (Fra Cristobals only); and 3) a period of maximum protection that occurred after cougar removal resulted in no cougar predation for a minimum of 6 months, and continued as long as cougar removal efforts were implemented. The statewide desert bighorn total mortality rate decreased from 0.23 during the period of minimum protection, to 0.16 during the period of partial protection in the Fra Cristobals, to 0.10 during the period of maximum protection.

During these same periods, the statewide cougar predation rate declined from 0.17, to 0.09, to 0.05.We compared these results with a population model based on bighorn herds in NM. The model predicted that with a cougar predation rate of 0.0, none of the 5 herds would go extinct in 100 years. With a cougar predation rate of 0.05 all herds had at least a 53% chance of extinction in 94 years, and with a cougar predation rate of 0.10 all herds had a 100% chance of extinction in 26 years. Therefore, mortality risks have declined from extinction in less than 26 years, to extinction in about 26 years in the Fra Cristobals, to a 50/50 chance of extinction in the next 100 years in the other herds. For a more detailed analysis, you can access the Evaluation of an 8-year Mountain Lion Removal Management Action on

Endangered Desert Bighorn Sheep Recovery at www.wildlife.state.nm.us/conservation/bighorn/documents/lions.htmPopulation growth -The impact of cougar removal on bighorn herds can easily be seen in the accompanying graph which illustrates the constant desert bighorn population trend from 1987-2001 when cougars were not removed to protect bighorn, and the substantial increase from 2002-2008 when cougars were actively removed to protect bighorn. The cougar control program, in combination with transplants from Red Rock into the wild, resulted in the population increasing from less than 170 in 2001 to approximately 450 in 2008, and the subsequent downlisting of desert bighorn from endangered to threatened. Given the small number of listed species that recover enough to be downlisted, this is a major victory for bighorn!As bighorn populations grow large enough to sustain some cougar predation without compromising the herd, cougar removal can be reduced. However, current levels of adult losses combined with high lamb mortality limits population growth in most years, leaving the current cougar removal strategy in place.

With statewide numbers increasing, we are in the preliminary phase of considering additional bighorn hunting licenses. While implementation may still be a few seasons away, downlisting desert bighorn is the first step in increasing hunting opportunities so that sportsmen can benefit from the bighorn’s success. This, in turn will help to raise more funds, and increase public awareness concerning the need to balance science and hard work to “put more sheep on the mountain”. Figure 2. Population estimates of bighorn in New Mexico before and after implementation of the cougar removal program 1980-2008 (237 bighorn released 1987-2001, and 178 bighorn released 2001-2008).
 
New Mexico's desert sheep success story! Take a look at the last sentence in this article!


Background: While desert bighorn sheep currently live in the American Southwest and Mexico, there are not nearly as many as there were historically. What was once several thousand desert bighorn sheep in New Mexico, declined until they almost went extinct in the early 1900s. Commercial hunting, over-grazing, and diseases from livestock (which they have no resistance to) were the principal causes of decline. By 1955 desert bighorn sheep were only found in two separate mountain ranges in New Mexico, and by 1980 they numbered less than 100 individuals. In 1980 they were added to the state endangered species list.

Numbers went up and down over the next 20 years, rising to over 200 in the 1990s, but dropping to less than 170 by 2001. In 1999 an important decision was made that would end up saving desert bighorn sheep from disappearing in New Mexico. The Department of Game and Fish knew that cougars were the primary cause for the low numbers of desert bighorn sheep. In one study, biologists found that 85% of the radio-collared bighorn sheep biologists that died were killed by cougars. Between 1996-2002, the number of distinct, wild populations of desert bighorn sheep went from 7 to 4 following the extinction of the Alamo Hueco, Animas Mountains, and San Andres Mountains herds. Historically, desert bighorn were in at least 14 mountain ranges in central and southern New Mexico!

Something had to be done to stop the loss of more populations and possibly the complete disappearance of desert bighorn sheep from New Mexico. The decision was made to start removing some cougars from where desert bighorn sheep lived. Removal of cougars began in 1999 but successful efforts did not start until 2001. Since desert bighorn sheep were not being attacked and eaten by cougars so frequently, their numbers increased drastically. Cougars still are there in desert bighorn sheep habitat but at lower levels than would occur without predator control methods such as snaring and trapping. Cougar control is critical but is just one of many wildlife management tools used to protect desert bighorn sheep.

The sharp increase in bighorn sheep led to their down-listing to threatened status in 2008 and their removal from threatened status in 2012.
 
The lions have been on our local desert population for 20 years that I know of. The canyons are not favorable to running dogs.

But you are right, this will only make matters worse.
 
I really haven't seen much publicity or mention about lion impacts to wild sheep across Colorado. This is another major factor in favor of lion hunting.

You are right that some sheep country is rough but my guess is that if a lion can climb rocks so can dogs! Also, as our deer population across Colorado continues to drop into the toilet mtn lions concentrate on other prey. As mentioned in multiple publications, mtn lions are a nightmare to wild sheep populations. Our wild sheep populations across Colorado will likely take a major hit if lions are not hunted.
 
I am little spooked right now. One of my buddies has reached out several times to Dan Gates offering to make sizeable donation amounts and Dan Gates is not returning calls or emails. My buddy has reached out to RMEF and they are helping him/me to use this money to create bumper stickers and such for distribution. It is critical we start getting this message out.
 
It would be great if news media could be used to spread the news about the dire consequences that the public may not be aware about if lion hunting is canned. The demise of wild sheep is one prime example of this. How many Colorado residents would like to see iconic wild sheep populations across Colorado tank? Some of the lion-human conflicts that occur in California where lion hunting has already been eliminated may be something else to educate the public about. There likely are other reasons to stop this?

My take on it is the public needs to be educated on the negative impacts via news media, bumper-stickers or other means.
 
I am little spooked right now. One of my buddies has reached out several times to Dan Gates offering to make sizeable donation amounts and Dan Gates is not returning calls or emails. My buddy has reached out to RMEF and they are helping him/me to use this money to create bumper stickers and such for distribution. It is critical we start getting this message out.
I guess I rattled a few cages, Dan Gates just reached out to me and we had a brief discussion about what has transpired and will transpire. Now that we have a ballot number, we will start seeing some targeted announcements about defeating the ballot box biology.
 
There are a million logical reasons why this doesn’t make sense. Unfortunately it’s emotional/ideological issue.

A difficult argument for a guy like me to win. I end up saying things like, “well, all the immigrants will go hungry because there won’t be any more pets to eat”. I’m just not good at it.
 
California Mountain Lion Fatal and Nonfatal Human Attacks

Notice how many mountain lion attacks have occurred since 1990 when lion hunting was banned!

Note how many children have been attacked! All of fatal attacks have been older full-grown humans. 50/50 of the fatal attacks have been woman/men. You may also notice that in recent years a higher % of attacks have been children.

DateTypeAttack LocationCountyVictim SexVictim Age
March 1986NonfatalCaspers Wilderness ParkOrangeFemale5 yrs.
Oct. 1986NonfatalCaspers Wilderness ParkOrangeMale6 yrs.
March 1992NonfatalGaviota State ParkSanta BarbaraMale9 yrs.
Sept. 1993NonfatalCuyamaca State ParkSan DiegoFemale10 yrs.
Apr. 1994FatalAuburn State Recreation AreaEl DoradoFemale40 yrs.
Aug. 1994NonfatalMendocino County (remote)MendocinoMale48 yrs.
NonfatalFemale48 yrs.
Dec. 1994FatalCuyamaca State ParkSan DiegoFemale56 yrs.
Mar. 1995NonfatalMt. Lowe (San Gabriel Mtns.)Los AngelesMale27 yrs.
Jan. 2004FatalWhiting Ranch Regional ParkOrangeMale35 yrs.
Jan. 2004NonfatalWhiting Ranch Regional ParkOrangeFemale30 yrs.
June 2004NonfatalSequoia National ForestTulareFemale28 yrs.
Jan. 2007NonfatalPrairie Creek Redwoods State ParkHumboldtMale70 yrs.
Jul. 2012NonfatalConfluence of Shady Creek and Yuba RiverNevadaMale63 yrs.
Sept. 2014NonfatalCupertinoSanta ClaraMale6 yrs.
May 2019NonfatalLos Peñasquitos Canyon PreserveSan DiegoMale4 yrs.
January 2020NonfatalWhiting Ranch Wilderness ParkOrangeMale3 yrs.
February 2020NonfatalRancho San Antonio County ParkSanta ClaraFemale6 yrs.
June 2020NonfatalBlue Sky Ecological ReserveSan DiegoMale4 yrs.
August 2021NonfatalCalabasas (Santa Monica Mtns.)Los AngelesMale5 yrs.
May 2022NonfatalBig Bar (Trinity River)TrinityFemale24 yrs.
Sept. 2022NonfatalPico Canyon ParkLos AngelesMale7 yrs.
February 2023NonfatalHalf Moon BaySan MateoMale5 yrs.
Mar. 2024NonfatalEl Dorado County (Remote)El DoradoMale18 yrs
Mar. 2024FatalEl Dorado County (Remote)El DoradoMale21 yrs
Sept. 2024NonfatalMalibu Creek State ParkLos AngelesMale5 yrs

 
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California Mountain Lion Fatal and Nonfatal Human Attacks

Notice how many mountain lion attacks have occurred since 1990 when lion hunting was banned!

Note how many children have been attacked! All of fatal attacks have been older full-grown humans. 50/50 of the fatal attacks have been woman/men. You may also notice that in recent years a higher % of attacks have been children.

DateTypeAttack LocationCountyVictim SexVictim Age
March 1986NonfatalCaspers Wilderness ParkOrangeFemale5 yrs.
Oct. 1986NonfatalCaspers Wilderness ParkOrangeMale6 yrs.
March 1992NonfatalGaviota State ParkSanta BarbaraMale9 yrs.
Sept. 1993NonfatalCuyamaca State ParkSan DiegoFemale10 yrs.
Apr. 1994FatalAuburn State Recreation AreaEl DoradoFemale40 yrs.
Aug. 1994NonfatalMendocino County (remote)MendocinoMale48 yrs.
NonfatalFemale48 yrs.
Dec. 1994FatalCuyamaca State ParkSan DiegoFemale56 yrs.
Mar. 1995NonfatalMt. Lowe (San Gabriel Mtns.)Los AngelesMale27 yrs.
Jan. 2004FatalWhiting Ranch Regional ParkOrangeMale35 yrs.
Jan. 2004NonfatalWhiting Ranch Regional ParkOrangeFemale30 yrs.
June 2004NonfatalSequoia National ForestTulareFemale28 yrs.
Jan. 2007NonfatalPrairie Creek Redwoods State ParkHumboldtMale70 yrs.
Jul. 2012NonfatalConfluence of Shady Creek and Yuba RiverNevadaMale63 yrs.
Sept. 2014NonfatalCupertinoSanta ClaraMale6 yrs.
May 2019NonfatalLos Peñasquitos Canyon PreserveSan DiegoMale4 yrs.
January 2020NonfatalWhiting Ranch Wilderness ParkOrangeMale3 yrs.
February 2020NonfatalRancho San Antonio County ParkSanta ClaraFemale6 yrs.
June 2020NonfatalBlue Sky Ecological ReserveSan DiegoMale4 yrs.
August 2021NonfatalCalabasas (Santa Monica Mtns.)Los AngelesMale5 yrs.
May 2022NonfatalBig Bar (Trinity River)TrinityFemale24 yrs.
Sept. 2022NonfatalPico Canyon ParkLos AngelesMale7 yrs.
February 2023NonfatalHalf Moon BaySan MateoMale5 yrs.
Mar. 2024!NonfatalEl Dorado County (Remote)El DoradoMale18 yrs
Mar. 2024FatalEl Dorado County (Remote)El DoradoMale21 yrs
Sept. 2024NonfatalMalibu Creek State ParkLos AngelesMale5 yrs

This is the knowledge we need to publicize.
Thank you for sharing.
 
There’s a lengthy list of black bear human fatal and nonfatal reports in North America as well. I was not aware that there have been so many black bear fatalities in North America until I started diving into this.
 
I read a book on bears years ago. They said a Brown/Grizzly was more likely to attack you but least likely to finish it. They just wanted to show you there're the baddest thing in the woods. They said a Black Bear was least likely to attack you but if they attacked they mean to finish it. I thought that was interesting.
 
I’m a Boulder County res and I’ve donated $350 to CRWM with more to come. Despite the persona, there are a bunch of hunters and anglers I know in this county and neighboring counties who are voting no on this bill.

The defeatist talk on here is disappointing. I know the odds of this passing are good but for **** sake we can’t roll over and take it!

I’ve been talking with a few of my front range non hunting friends about this. They were slow to see the benefits of lion management but I was able to give them some facts to mull over. More than a handful and their wives will be voting against this.
It seems like a lot of y’all are out of state but if you know someone in CO who might not see eye to eye with you, it’s worth asking a few pointed questions and enlightening them with a little truth.

I have learned a **** load about lion hunting I never even knew existed. The non hunting public of Colorado really are a blank canvas, they don’t have much to go on. It’s up to the passionate hunters to tell the truth about the successes of hte North American Model of Wildlife and the hard earned cash that hunters, anglers, and shooters have spent to create and preserve these wild animals and the wild places that people take for granted.

And more importantly make sure everyone you know who hunts gets out and votes NO on this asinine bill!
 
I’m a Boulder County res and I’ve donated $350 to CRWM with more to come. Despite the persona, there are a bunch of hunters and anglers I know in this county and neighboring counties who are voting no on this bill.

The defeatist talk on here is disappointing. I know the odds of this passing are good but for **** sake we can’t roll over and take it!

I’ve been talking with a few of my front range non hunting friends about this. They were slow to see the benefits of lion management but I was able to give them some facts to mull over. More than a handful and their wives will be voting against this.
It seems like a lot of y’all are out of state but if you know someone in CO who might not see eye to eye with you, it’s worth asking a few pointed questions and enlightening them with a little truth.

I have learned a **** load about lion hunting I never even knew existed. The non hunting public of Colorado really are a blank canvas, they don’t have much to go on. It’s up to the passionate hunters to tell the truth about the successes of hte North American Model of Wildlife and the hard earned cash that hunters, anglers, and shooters have spent to create and preserve these wild animals and the wild places that people take for granted.

And more importantly make sure everyone you know who hunts gets out and votes NO on this asinine bill!
I'm also in the county and I know quite a few people I expect to vote no on this. I'm cautiously optimistic. But need to keep spreading the word.
 
I’m a Boulder County res and I’ve donated $350 to CRWM with more to come. Despite the persona, there are a bunch of hunters and anglers I know in this county and neighboring counties who are voting no on this bill.

The defeatist talk on here is disappointing. I know the odds of this passing are good but for **** sake we can’t roll over and take it!

I’ve been talking with a few of my front range non hunting friends about this. They were slow to see the benefits of lion management but I was able to give them some facts to mull over. More than a handful and their wives will be voting against this.
It seems like a lot of y’all are out of state but if you know someone in CO who might not see eye to eye with you, it’s worth asking a few pointed questions and enlightening them with a little truth.

I have learned a **** load about lion hunting I never even knew existed. The non hunting public of Colorado really are a blank canvas, they don’t have much to go on. It’s up to the passionate hunters to tell the truth about the successes of hte North American Model of Wildlife and the hard earned cash that hunters, anglers, and shooters have spent to create and preserve these wild animals and the wild places that people take for granted.

And more importantly make sure everyone you know who hunts gets out and votes NO on this asinine bill!
It’s not necessarily rolling over. But the wolf vote in 20 really took the wind out of a lot of people sails.
 
If it makes you front rangers feel any better, none of the rednecks here seem to care what the vote says. The hound doggers are pissed of course.
 
I’m really not a hound hunter but can see how this could mold decision making for the elimination of hunting of other species with and without dogs in Colorado and elsewhere. It adds fuel to the fire for anti-hunters.

The impacts of hexing lion hunting goes a lot deeper than just impacting hounds men. Do a web search on impacts to wild sheep in New Mexico and other species. You can likely say good bye to colorados current healthy wild sheep populations. How many human, pet, and livestock lion attacks and interactions have taken place in California since lion hunting was eliminated there? These are just a couple examples.

Having biological decision making completed by public vote is insane! Do you truly think that is ok Bluehair?
 
I saw back to back television adds on tv a couple days ago. It was great to see both sides. One was an add by the antis and the next was a CPW add stating how important hunters were in supporting wildlife management in Colorado.

I think it was great that someone stepped up and showed both sides to the public with 2 consecutive adds during prime time!
 
I’m really not a hound hunter but can see how this could mold decision making for the elimination of hunting of other species with and without dogs in Colorado and elsewhere. It adds fuel to the fire for anti-hunters.

The impacts of hexing lion hunting goes a lot deeper than just impacting hounds men. Do a web search on impacts to wild sheep in New Mexico and other species. You can likely say good bye to colorados current healthy wild sheep populations. How many human, pet, and livestock lion attacks and interactions have taken place in California since lion hunting was eliminated there? These are just a couple examples.

Having biological decision making completed by public vote is insane! Do you truly think that is ok Bluehair?
WTF are you babbling about? I have never offered a word of support for this or any other bogus initiative foisted on us by you front rangers.

I was making reports to the DOW and RMBS about lion depredation of our local desert herd before you could drive. There are 20 year old threads here if you don’t believe me.

I believe the lion/human conflicts will rise dramatically in the northern and eastern part of the state. The lions here will probably continue to die of natural causes.

But just to remove any confusion, I believe we should maintain a sustainable lion population because I think the world is a more interesting place with lions. Hunting absolutely should be a part of keeping their numbers in check. I wonder how many lions on the hoof you have seen?

Those are my living room lights. I think they’re watching me pee in the yard 😎
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Good for you Bluehair! I believe I share the same concern as you for our wild sheep in Colorado! I also agree with you about lion/human conflicts! I can only imagine how many backyard pooches will be injured/killed by lions that have no fear of humans.

I have actually seen 6 different lions while hiking the hills. No use of dogs and none seen in my back yard or with the aid of tracking collars. I’ve lost track of how many lions we have on game cameras that have been set up year-round on several of our Front Range properties. I don’t claim to be an expert and am always learning from field experience hiking the hills every week of the year.
 
Just for grins, here’s a couple pictures of a lion killed desert back in 2003. Killed him about 2 weeks before sheep season and a deer hunter from CA found him. Probably took him to the dump since I believe they are illegal to possess in CA (w/o plug).

I would much rather the lions eat the dogs and cats. Just not mine.


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Bummer! From what I understand, lions kill just as many bighorns as desert sheep. It's a mature desert ram in Bluehair's photo but you can imagine how many lambs get picked off by lions.

I've spent a lot of time around bighorns in the Big Thompson drainage and elsewhere. That's actually where I've seen several lions while hiking. I've found quite a few mounds of sheep hair over the years! You can always tell a lion kill because they often eat the bones, meat, and everything!

With deer numbers down across most of Colorado and the West there is even more pressure on lions to find other food sources. I'm not sure how many deer/month a lion kills but if there are fewer deer available it puts more pressure on lions to kill other game.

I just looked up the 2022/23 lion harvest report in Colorado and there were 502 lions harvested in Colorado in 2022/23. The past 4 years there have been approximately 2,000 lions killed by hunters across Colorado. What happens every year if there are 500 more lions/year roaming the hills? Wild sheep (especially lambs and yearlings) are relatively easy pickings for a lion! It's also pretty easy to visualize how there would be more human/lion conflicts and lions will kill more back yard pooches!

 
I read that a mountain lion will kill a deer a week! Not sure if this is true or not but what do they eat if it isn’t fresh deer?
 
I read that a mountain lion will kill a deer a week! Not sure if this is true or not but what do they eat if it isn’t fresh deer?
elk, bighorn/desert sheep, rabbits, squirrels and house cats/dogs and what ever is available.
 
I read that a mountain lion will kill a deer a week! Not sure if this is true or not but what do they eat if it isn’t fresh deer?
I have pics of one feeding on a carcass for nearly a week. It didn’t come back every day and it didn’t eat very much.

I assume it had other carcasses that it rotated to? I would easily believe a deer a week.
 
Everyone reading this needs to realize that this is YOUR fight. Colorado needs your help!



Colorado residents are the ones that need to actually show up and pay their fair share on this one.
 
The scarey part is that it’s not just deer that are impacted by hunters and hunter financial support. The CPW is truly aware of the consequences to wildlife if there is no hunter revenue that supports wildlife management and even their salaries!

Anyone that has lived in Colo for long is aware of the public elections that eliminated trapping, spring bear hunts, and use of dogs for bear hunting. It has just a matter of time when similar issues erupted which was enhanced by publically elected officials.

Hunters across Colo (and elsewhere) need to be aware of elected officials that do not represent sound wildlife management and hunters interests!
 
The scarey part is that it’s not just deer that are impacted by hunters and hunter financial support. The CPW is truly aware of the consequences to wildlife if there is no hunter revenue that supports wildlife management and even their salaries!

Anyone that has lived in Colo for long is aware of the public elections that eliminated trapping, spring bear hunts, and use of dogs for bear hunting. It has just a matter of time when similar issues erupted which was enhanced by publically elected officials.

Hunters across Colo (and elsewhere) need to be aware of elected officials that do not represent sound wildlife management and hunters interests!
They will just raise NR prices while cutting nr tags to cover any short fall. Oh wait they are already doing that.
 
Obviously, the more species and seasons (spring bear) that are eliminated from hunting there is less and less $ available from those dollars to be used for wildlife management. Who is responsible for paying for lion and bear killed livestock? Do you think the anti's have devoted funding to do this?

Eliminating both res and nonres mtn lion tags is just a drop in the bucket compared to slowly but surely eliminating hunting all species like the antis would like to do.

Where do the antis think all of the funding is going to come from to support habitat and other wildlife improvement projects? How much does it cost to build game-proof fencing and crossings along highways, water improvement projects, cheatgrass control on winter ranges, wildlife damage to crops....the list goes on and on! My guess is that the anti's have never paid a dime for any of these projects.

Where will that funding come from as antis continue to eliminate species and tags from both nonres and res hunters?
 
Obviously, the more species and seasons (spring bear) that are eliminated from hunting there is less and less $ available from those dollars to be used for wildlife management. Who is responsible for paying for lion and bear killed livestock? Do you think the anti's have devoted funding to do this?

Eliminating both res and nonres mtn lion tags is just a drop in the bucket compared to slowly but surely eliminating hunting all species like the antis would like to do.

Where do the antis think all of the funding is going to come from to support habitat and other wildlife improvement projects? How much does it cost to build game-proof fencing and crossings along highways, water improvement projects, cheatgrass control on winter ranges, wildlife damage to crops....the list goes on and on! My guess is that the anti's have never paid a dime for any of these projects.

Where will that funding come from as antis continue to eliminate species and tags from both nonres and res hunters?
The antis could care less about wildlife management. Their job is to shut down hunting and to be honest, if they are playing a long game they doing pretty good.
 
It's pretty sad that the antis probably think they are doing such a great thing for both wildlife and society by eliminating hunting.

They aren't aware of the consequences behind their actions! Not only the financial side of things but the long-lasting impacts to other wildlife. A great example of this is the one I've mentioned before....what happens to epic and dynamic populations of desert and bighorn sheep if lion numbers aren't managed.

Do you think it's worth the risk of losing wild sheep from the face of the earth forever due to elimination of the hunting of a well-managed population of lions that are doing remarkably well across the Western US?
 
Damn it! If only we had shaved a hundred bucks off of your elk tag, I'm sure your broke ass would have saved us from the anti-hunters.
Your broke ass better get out there and vote in November. Otherwise all the nonresident money flowing into your state because you’re too goddamn lazy to get off your ass won’t do any good.
 
IF the game numbers plummet because of increased predation, NR will be the biggest losers.

So we all better hope the urban masses get this right.

NR have nothing to lose but tags....

IF the lions reduce the deer populations down to un-huntable levels, RESIDENTS won't even be able to hunt even if RESIDNETS have ALL of the tags........

I, as a NR, will still be able to step out back and shoot deer.....

RESIENTS will be the be the biggest losers by far.

I hope this doesn't pass and if it does, it's the beginning of the end of hunting for a lot of us. R and NR alike.
 
Both residents and non residents will be affected by this big time. Colorado is still one of the best states for Mule Deer hunting. It will have a domino effect in other states as those draw odds will only get worse with Colorado going down hill. Kinda knew one day things would change but thought it would be many years down the road. We have a chance of voting it down as the wolf deal barely passed by 1% I believe. 🤞🤞
 
Both residents and non residents will be affected by this big time. Colorado is still one of the best states for Mule Deer hunting. It will have a domino effect in other states as those draw odds will only get worse with Colorado going down hill. Kinda knew one day things would change but thought it would be many years down the road. We have a chance of voting it down as the wolf deal barely passed by 1% I believe. 🤞🤞
I hope that there is hope. The key will be swaying the middle of the road people. I’ve personally talked to a couple people who had no idea how lion hunting in Colorado even worked.
 
The truth is getting out about the faulty mtn lion hunting ban proposal in Colorado!

I saw a new TV add this morning that mentions the healthy population of mtn lions in Colorado and the impacts they have on Colorado's current declining mule deer population. Every day more and more positive media adds and publications are appearing that are on the hunter and wildlife management side. It's great that the truth is getting out to the public with all of these positive advertisements! Great job to those that are responsible for getting the word out in Colorado and other Western states!

 
WTF are you babbling about? I have never offered a word of support for this or any other bogus initiative foisted on us by you front rangers.

I was making reports to the DOW and RMBS about lion depredation of our local desert herd before you could drive. There are 20 year old threads here if you don’t believe me.

I believe the lion/human conflicts will rise dramatically in the northern and eastern part of the state. The lions here will probably continue to die of natural causes.

But just to remove any confusion, I believe we should maintain a sustainable lion population because I think the world is a more interesting place with lions. Hunting absolutely should be a part of keeping their numbers in check. I wonder how many lions on the hoof you have seen?

Those are my living room lights. I think they’re watching me pee in the yard 😎
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How many cat mounts or rugs ,do you have in your house?
Neat picture, if that was my place i would be hunting them.
 
Just one, from down in AZ. It was chasing a desert bighorn when I shot it. I just happen to live where they cruise thru often.

I always wanted to call one in. That’s about the only way I would want to hunt one now.

I won’t shoot one out of a tree, but don’t care if others do.
 
The good news today, was I earned us at least 3 votes. I was at the Hayden Gun Range today educating and handing out bumper stickers. I spoke with a group of 3 youngerish gentleman(20-35ish) my version of younger guys. I asked them if they would be interested in a bumper sticker about the Ballot Issue 127. One of the gentleman asked what ballot issue 127 was. I told them it was about the cat ban and they all looked confused, I then asked them if they were registered voters to which they all replied yes. I spent the next several minutes going over Ballot Issue 127 to which they all agreed to support the ban and were planning on voting against it.

The bad news is here is 3 registered voters that had no idea about the ban, and one of the guys mentioned that he usually ignored the ballot issues and typically just voted for the presidential stuff.

I walked away happy that I gathered a couple of votes, but blown away that this type of voter is still out there and not aware of the other issues that directly affect them.
 
I'm seeing a lot more adds currently in favor of wildlife management and voting no than anti-adds. Hopefully the anti's are losing hope and running out of funding for their adds!

As you pointed out, the public may not be aware of what is going on even with these adds. The more public that can be educated, the better! Anyone in the Denver area may want to attend the following rally. Hopefully it is well attended and on the nightly news!

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It's extremely sad when a lion takes down a family pet, but how about human-lion fatalities? Human-lion and pet-lion fatalities/injuries have become a lot more common in California after lions were de-listed from species available to hunt. Lions have little to no fear of humans when not hunted! My guess is the both the parents of the kitty cat and boy killed by mountain lions would be strong supporters of voting no to prop 127?

 
I didn't know a single person in Cali that supported it either....
Funny….
When I was getting my signs there was actually a guy from California that was here on vacation and he picked up some of them to randomly put out because he knew about it
 
I didn't know a single person in Cali that supported it either....
I’m just trying to be optimistic. When I first heard it was going to be voted on it was doom and gloom. But after literally knowing zero people who support it I’m a little bit optimistic. Remember wolves passed very narrowly, and I knew a quite a few people who voted for them. It’s a small sample size but all we can do is vote.
 
Has anyone seen any polling on this? Us rural west-slopers don’t really have a good sense of what the urban mob is doing. I bet it isn’t good.

Like everyone else has said, I don’t know anyone who supports this. Well, I do but I don’t associate with “their kind”.
 

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