So I guess baiting is legal after all?
The church owns the land, the state (people) owns the elk. How exactly do you propose separating the two?Why does UT have such problems separating church and state.
I agree with you 100%The church owns the land, the state (people) owns the elk. How exactly do you propose separating the two?
I lay the blame squarely on the UDWR. There are ways to get these elk killed during the structured seasons already in place. They can and do strongarm some CWMU's into killing more antlerless animals. That is what should have been done in this case. If the Deseret was in jeopardy of losing bull tags, I guarantee they would have found multiple ways to get their public hunter's success rate up.
I wonder what the Wades think of the Deseret baiting.
So in UT no political decisions are influenced by the church? I am not knocking the faith. All I am saying is that it’s clear from a distance that your standing in the church matters politically in UT. If this Jo schmo rancher would this have happened?
I'm as pro DWR guy as there is in here. But, I've always separated the biologists and Leo from the SLC crowd.
It's time for Shirley to be shown the door.
And frankly, there are 3-4 others that need to join him, possibly more.
That agency is completely out of control.
So baiting is legal as long as it is beneficial to the UDWR.
So basically they did not shoot enough on the cow hunt so they baited and killed 170 with paid shooters?
How about letting the public do the culling?
Who were the paid hunters? Deseret? Friends of Dwr employees?
Wade Heaton?
WLH?
Funny that Faith Heaton was involved?
Shows they knew it was BS when they tried to hide from the public?
That's why the public Hunters have to pass a shooting test correct?
It would be 300 elk. By that math it comes to 13 elk. Lol.So exactly how many elk were culled in the entire unit? They donated 39,000 pounds of meat. Probably killed around 3000 elk.
None taken.Hey treedagain, no disrespect intended, but have you ever been to the desseret range day where the public hunters qualify their ability to hit an elk?
I have, and I will tell you with absolute certainty.... you probably wouldn't want the average public hunter on a precision cull hunt. I could be wrong, actually I'm probably wrong, but maybe there is a reason for hired shooters in this situation.
I used the DLL chopper to round them b!cthes up!They'll Work It To Their Advantage!
I used the DLL chopper to round them b!cthes up!![]()
Oh there is a pic…. LmmfaoPics or it didn't happen lol.....
Oh there is a pic…. Lmmfao
HEY VANILLA, can you confirm this happened?
If this Jo schmo rancher would this have happened?
I used to guide on that ranch, I know it is the DNR's pet science project.
It has absolutely everything needed to grow deer and elk and can be micro managed due to the animals never needing to leave.
Sorry to inform the conspiracy guys but there are no high fences, helicopters herding elk onto the ranch, it's all 100% hogwash.
What I WILL confess is that 170 animals could have and should have been incorporated into the public draw cow hunters, there really isn't a legitimate excuse as to their reasoning for not.
What I do agree with is keeping the elk numbers at objective to help recover the heavily lost deer numbers in that unit.
1100 calf elk born every year grows a tight herd in a hurry, especially when the numbers harvested are in the 800's.
We've all heard the theory on almost every unit that the elk are impacting deer numbers, this is the perfect storm to prove that.
My basic and limited knowledge would tell me it would cost the state a heck of a lot more to accommodate 170 additional hunters (cullers) versus using current ranch hands and DNR employees to cull out 170 in a quick fashion.Luckily all 1100 elk born were cows so it makes perfect sense to cull only cows.
I know, they have the calves, and of course they aren't worth 5 figures.
I used the DLL chopper to round them b!cthes up!![]()
Heaton got charged for baiting.My basic and limited knowledge would tell me it would cost the state a heck of a lot more to accommodate 170 additional hunters (cullers) versus using current ranch hands and DNR employees to cull out 170 in a quick fashion.
I know it's not a pretty scenario, but it makes sense (to me) why they did it the way they did.
In all fairness and honesty, I don't know how they justified the baiting, that is a good question.Heaton got charged for baiting.
Is it legal on church owned ground?
Apparently it is if you get a COR from the division.
I don't think Mr. Heaton applied.
So if the division asks the division if it's ok if the division that charged Heaton with baiting violations, can bait, then it's ok for the division to bait.
But the division is super excited that no one from the division let the public know the division gave itself permission for the division to bait.
I swear to God, it's about every damn week anymore with the shady, shady **** happening in SLC.
JUSTIN SHIRLEY SHOULD BE FIRED
You guys, this really isn’t that hard.
Ya’ll are off your rockers!
Hey Hossy?
Do you Remember When I Said?
DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO!
I'm Perty Sure At This Time WH Is Gonna Say I Thought It Was Legal & Standard Procedure After Watching The DWR Do It!
If it’s the DWR overseeing it or doing it I would say yes it is. I don’t believe they have the same restrictions you or I would have. Not saying it’s right or wrong but if they feel it’s necessary to cull off 170 elk between January and March and baiting is the best and most efficient way for them to do it then they have the authority to make that decision.Heaton got charged for baiting.
Is it legal on church owned ground?
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