Thanks UDWR

SanPitch · 2024-09-10T10:19:24-0600

Silentstalker · 2024-09-10T10:27:31-0600

Wow, whatever happened to depredation hunts? At what expense did this cull cost the Utah tax payer?

Deerlove · 2024-09-10T10:47:07-0600

Citizens should have purchased these tags

treedagain · 2024-09-10T10:54:57-0600

Because they could not sell them as guided hunts, that's why.

SureShot · 2024-09-10T10:56:15-0600

But, they could have, as long as they were reasonably priced.

treedagain · 2024-09-10T11:04:55-0600

So I guess baiting is legal after all?

Mtngoat690 · 2024-09-10T12:50:23-0600

I'm wondering if this is the result of a success rate that dropped from nearly 100% to down in the 60% range?

I could be wrong on the numbers, but last time I looked, it was a bit surprising (i don't know why ) to see how much success reduced when they stopped providing guides to the public hunters for free. It can be a tough hunt if you don't know the area.

I believe anyone familiar with this property would not be too surprised as most knew this is exactly what would happen.

lostinOregon · 2024-09-10T12:52:27-0600

Why does UT have such problems separating church and state.

SureShot · 2024-09-10T13:16:07-0600

They don't have such problems.

elkassassin · 2024-09-10T13:20:35-0600

Depends On Who You Are & What your Rank Is Treed!

treedagain said:
So I guess baiting is legal after all?

hoss · 2024-09-10T13:39:28-0600

This is complete and utter bullshit. DWR has some explaining to do. The animals belong to the public...

elkantlers · 2024-09-10T14:06:54-0600

lostinOregon said:
Why does UT have such problems separating church and state.

The church owns the land, the state (people) owns the elk. How exactly do you propose separating the two?

I lay the blame squarely on the UDWR. There are ways to get these elk killed during the structured seasons already in place. They can and do strongarm some CWMU's into killing more antlerless animals. That is what should have been done in this case. If the Deseret was in jeopardy of losing bull tags, I guarantee they would have found multiple ways to get their public hunter's success rate up.

yoteduster · 2024-09-10T14:31:25-0600

elkantlers said:
The church owns the land, the state (people) owns the elk. How exactly do you propose separating the two?

I lay the blame squarely on the UDWR. There are ways to get these elk killed during the structured seasons already in place. They can and do strongarm some CWMU's into killing more antlerless animals. That is what should have been done in this case. If the Deseret was in jeopardy of losing bull tags, I guarantee they would have found multiple ways to get their public hunter's success rate up.

I agree with you 100%

wstrntines · 2024-09-10T16:59:29-0600

I wonder what the Wades think of the Deseret baiting.

elkassassin · 2024-09-10T17:42:43-0600

They'll Work It To Their Advantage!

wstrntines said:
I wonder what the Wades think of the Deseret baiting.

lostinOregon · 2024-09-10T20:27:34-0600

So in UT no political decisions are influenced by the church? I am not knocking the faith. All I am saying is that it’s clear from a distance that your standing in the church matters politically in UT. If this Jo schmo rancher would this have happened?

middlefork · 2024-09-10T20:43:09-0600

This was not Joe Shmo rancher and is not the only CWMU in the state who's land is owned by the church. But adjacent CWMU's have the same problem regardless of church affiliation.

22/23 winter put a glaring target on these CWMU's.

hossblur · 2024-09-10T22:07:23-0600

lostinOregon said:
So in UT no political decisions are influenced by the church? I am not knocking the faith. All I am saying is that it’s clear from a distance that your standing in the church matters politically in UT. If this Jo schmo rancher would this have happened?

This has zero to do with the church.

Look at the news the last year

WB member is bating, the DWR knows it, and the director kisses his azz on the way out the door.

WLH is on video, complete with flight logs on helicopters chasing elk, SILENCE

WLH burns under a trees bear, and DWR tries to sweep it under the rug, until a line journalist turns up the heat.

Now, DWR is killing OUR elk because Deseret can't sell the tags.

That's off top of my head in 1 min.

WE HAVE A CORPORATE HUNTING PROBLEM, and the DWR LEADERSHIP IS A MAJOR PLAYER IN THAT.

That's not mentioning any of Don Peays bullshit, Leo patrolling I-15 or any of the half dozen other BS stories in the last year.

hossblur · 2024-09-10T22:11:41-0600

I'm as pro DWR guy as there is in here. But, I've always separated the biologists and Leo from the SLC crowd.

It's time for Shirley to be shown the door.

And frankly, there are 3-4 others that need to join him, possibly more.

That agency is completely out of control.