No tax on Social Security No tax on tips

The cut and paste king...do you ever have an original thought?

Does being an unmanned drone and a parrot ever get old?

Cali4x4 want a cracker? Bwakkk.
 
I just want to know how all these tax cuts are going to be paid for.

NEITHER PARTY references the National Debt in their official platform this year. NEITHER ONE!
 
treedagain said:
Not sure where your getting Cali Is a parrot?
You say the same **** everyday. Mindless and stupid.
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Uh, maybe because all he does is cut and paste bullchit from twitter?

Original thoughts are beyond him, sort of like you making it out of sixth grade.
 
treedagain said:
Start watching a channel other than the blue wall.

Trump has said multiple times to "drill baby drill"
And use that as leverage to pay off the debt.
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Our oil production is at record highs. How's that working for our debt?

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I see the no tax for tips as a vote buying gimmick similar to Biden's student loan transfer of wealth nonsense. Both candidates need Nevada where the largest service industry in the country lives. If we're being honest neither party has any plans to deal with the insane debt & deficit spending. The only thing that's bipartisan in D.C. is spending money we don't have.
 
grizzly said:
I just want to know how all these tax cuts are going to be paid for.

NEITHER PARTY references the National Debt in their official platform this year. NEITHER ONE!
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Agree.


But why is it we have "to pay for tax cuts" if conservatives propose them, but when libs propose trillions in spending we don't "pay for it"?
 
wetmule said:
I see the no tax for tips as a vote buying gimmick similar to Biden's student loan transfer of wealth nonsense. Both candidates need Nevada where the largest service industry in the country lives. If we're being honest neither party has any plans to deal with the insane debt & deficit spending. The only thing that's bipartisan in D.C. is spending money we don't have.
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Nope.

That's peanuts compared to when the white collar world claims all bonuses as tips
 
hossblur said:
Agree.


But why is it we have "to pay for tax cuts" if conservatives propose them, but when libs propose trillions in spending we don't "pay for it"?
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nailed it ☝️.

It’s only spending when done by a conservative.

Although everyone, including msm, is ripping Kamala’s economic “plan”. Amazing that nobody expected a socialist commie to put forth socialist commie plans. Who da thunk it
 
hossblur said:
Agree.


But why is it we have "to pay for tax cuts" if conservatives propose them, but when libs propose trillions in spending we don't "pay for it"?
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I'll go ahead and assume that wasn't rhetorical.

The answer is because the GOP only cares about spending/debt when the Dems are in charge. Three years of record spending during the Trump Administration (2 of them with full control of Congress, too) and nobody mentioned the debt. Then COVID hit and spending ratcheted up even further... and nobody mentioned the debt because it was "emergency" spending.

When they're in charge, the Repubs SPEND SPEND SPEND.

I can prove it with graphs and numbers, if you'd like. The GOP spends as much as the Dems when they're in charge, both in dollars and percent of GDP.

A decade ago the Republican Platform mentioned the National Debt 10 times. It's not even in there once this year.

Obviously Biden took spending to an even higher level, but even now the GOP doesn't mention the debt in their platform for this year.
 
The one thing that pisses me off about Trump is his lack of ideas for getting the government to be more effective with the dollars it does spend. Dems?- hell, they use the government as one huge entitlement program, so absolutely zero expectations there.

I unfortunately have had the opportunity to watch the VA and USACE in action for the last two years. If you knew how INCREDIBLY inefficient the government is- it would blow your mind. As an example- I've witnessed one project, to simply upgrade a kitchen at a VA hospital. $2M dollars and 4 years later, know what they got? Not even drawings. Seriously- they can't even design it for $2M. A kitchen. JSMN.

Trump- get with it man...
 
Yes government is very inefficient.

DMV is a fine example.

Look how inefficient the SS was at protecting Trump.

Either that or the SS was inefficient in k:ll:NG him. Leave a roof top with east access and a direct line of site unprotected. Allow a shooter that couldn’t even make the high school rifle team.

How inefficient or inept was the Biden Administration at exiting Afghanistan?

Less is more when it comes to government.
 
grizzly said:
I'll go ahead and assume that wasn't rhetorical.

The answer is because the GOP only cares about spending/debt when the Dems are in charge. Three years of record spending during the Trump Administration (2 of them with full control of Congress, too) and nobody mentioned the debt. Then COVID hit and spending ratcheted up even further... and nobody mentioned the debt because it was "emergency" spending.

When they're in charge, the Repubs SPEND SPEND SPEND.

I can prove it with graphs and numbers, if you'd like. The GOP spends as much as the Dems when they're in charge, both in dollars and percent of GDP.

A decade ago the Republican Platform mentioned the National Debt 10 times. It's not even in there once this year.

Obviously Biden took spending to an even higher level, but even now the GOP doesn't mention the debt in their platform for this year.
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www.propublica.org

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org

trump is the king of debt.
 
Cali4x4 said:
Yes government is very inefficient.

DMV is a fine example.

Look how inefficient the SS was at protecting Trump.

Either that or the SS was inefficient in k:ll:NG him. Leave a roof top with east access and a direct line of site unprotected. Allow a shooter that couldn’t even make the high school rifle team.

How inefficient or inept was the Biden Administration at exiting Afghanistan?

Less is more when it comes to government.
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I get that. Trump is a businessman; he should have ideas on how to get 2X more for the dollars we spend. I sure will vote for him, but would like to see more transformative ideas.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
I get that. Trump is a businessman; he should have ideas on how to get 2X more for the dollars we spend. I sure will vote for him, but would like to see more transformative ideas.
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I don't give a chit, as long as 2x more dollars hit my accounts.

Also why I'm voting trump.
 
BuzzH said:
I don't give a chit, as long as 2x more dollars hit my accounts.

Also why I'm voting trump.
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Of course.

Of course, efficiency does nothing for your accounts.

Of course, spending money to get nothing done does nothing for your accounts.

Of course, you don't "give a chit" about wasted money, as long as those dollars hit your accounts.

Of course, veterans getting good or bad care doesn't hurt your accounts.

Of course.

Good thing there are those who do give a "chit".
 
The elected representatives don’t give a sh:t either. These people are selfish bafoons.

No one in the Biden Administration is worthy of being called a leader.

Politicians = Grifters

Let’s Make America 🇺🇸 Affordable Again.
 
Yes very sad. Congress continues to be a place for our representatives to fill their pockets.

Through unfair stock trades. Payoffs from corporations and foreign adversaries.

Illegal racketeering shouldn’t be so easy.

Hunter Biden illegally acting as a foreign agent. While the DOJ not only ignores these acts. They run cover for the Biden’s. Burisma - Ukraine
 
HikeHunt61 said:
Of course.

Of course, efficiency does nothing for your accounts.

Of course, spending money to get nothing done does nothing for your accounts.

Of course, you don't "give a chit" about wasted money, as long as those dollars hit your accounts.

Of course, veterans getting good or bad care doesn't hurt your accounts.

Of course.

Good thing there are those who do give a "chit".
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trump doesn't care about anything other than his bottom line, why should I be any different?

Who do you think I learned if from?

That's why I'm voting trump...no other reason. If you're so sure he's going to care about any of the things on your list, why are you having a fit that I'm voting for him?

Time to do things that benefit me.
 
Cali4x4 said:
Yes very sad. Congress continues to be a place for our representatives to fill their pockets.

Through unfair stock trades. Payoffs from corporations and foreign adversaries.

Illegal racketeering shouldn’t be so easy.

Hunter Biden illegally acting as a foreign agent. While the DOJ not only ignores these acts. They run cover for the Biden’s. Burisma - Ukraine
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Hard to argue when Pelosi made a cool $10 Million just this week.

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Kamala quotes. Just for laughs
🤣🤡🤣​

"community banks are in the community."

"So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country."

“We got to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you have been forced to have taken this seriously,”

Kamala Harris​
 
grizzly said:
I'll go ahead and assume that wasn't rhetorical.

The answer is because the GOP only cares about spending/debt when the Dems are in charge. Three years of record spending during the Trump Administration (2 of them with full control of Congress, too) and nobody mentioned the debt. Then COVID hit and spending ratcheted up even further... and nobody mentioned the debt because it was "emergency" spending.

When they're in charge, the Repubs SPEND SPEND SPEND.

I can prove it with graphs and numbers, if you'd like. The GOP spends as much as the Dems when they're in charge, both in dollars and percent of GDP.

A decade ago the Republican Platform mentioned the National Debt 10 times. It's not even in there once this year.

Obviously Biden took spending to an even higher level, but even now the GOP doesn't mention the debt in their platform for this year.
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I'm not arguing that.

But I've yet to hear the libs cry about "paying" for the 7 trillion Biden has spent.


Funny how "paying" for tax cuts that you, I and yes rich folks get is beyond terrible, but 7 trillion, just put that on a tab.
 
grizzly said:
I'll go ahead and assume that wasn't rhetorical.

The answer is because the GOP only cares about spending/debt when the Dems are in charge. Three years of record spending during the Trump Administration (2 of them with full control of Congress, too) and nobody mentioned the debt. Then COVID hit and spending ratcheted up even further... and nobody mentioned the debt because it was "emergency" spending.

When they're in charge, the Repubs SPEND SPEND SPEND.

I can prove it with graphs and numbers, if you'd like. The GOP spends as much as the Dems when they're in charge, both in dollars and percent of GDP.

A decade ago the Republican Platform mentioned the National Debt 10 times. It's not even in there once this year.

Obviously Biden took spending to an even higher level, but even now the GOP doesn't mention the debt in their platform for this year.
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R spends as much as D.


But obviously Biden took it to higher levels?

Both cannot be true at the same time
 
Tax cuts or money to Ukraine 🤔


With tax cuts for working middle class Americans. Tax cuts for seniors on Social Security money works it way back into the US economy.

Billions to Ukraine the money ends up going to US arms builders and European bureaucrats.
 
Cali4x4 said:
Tax cuts or money to Ukraine 🤔


With tax cuts for working middle class Americans. Tax cuts for seniors on Social Security money works it way back into the US economy.

Billions to Ukraine the money ends up going to US arms builders and European bureaucrats.
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I'm invested in us arms builders...what's the problem?
 
hossblur said:
I'm not arguing that.

But I've yet to hear the libs cry about "paying" for the 7 trillion Biden has spent.


Funny how "paying" for tax cuts that you, I and yes rich folks get is beyond terrible, but 7 trillion, just put that on a tab.
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Libs don't. Though, Repubs don't either anymore apparently.

And they never have when they were in charge and the ones spending the money. The numbers prove their lip service was just that, lip service, to satisfy the people who believed what they said and never looked for the truth themselves.

"Trust, but verify." - Ronald Reagan

hossblur said:
R spends as much as D.


But obviously Biden took it to higher levels?

Both cannot be true at the same time
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Sure they can. We have one bad President right now and a hundred years of precedent showing the GOP ran up the deficit as bad as and President before them.

They can absolutely both be true.

You and I both know the last President to have a balanced budget was Clinton.

You'd have a better argument about the intentions of the GOP, but even with a record-setting President in office, they don't say a word about the debt in the official platform of an election year.
 
grizzly said:
You'd have a better argument about the intentions of the GOP, but even with a record-setting President in office, they don't say a word about the debt in the official platform of an election year.
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This is true. And, we both know that congress sets budgets, and passes tax law. No matter who the president is, without a majority house and a 60 seat senate can one side's full agenda come to be. And regardless, balanced budget platforms do not win elections. Back to Cali's point on the disposition of our politicians.

Clinton was smart for sure- he worked with the congress he had.

Trump is smart as well (in this way)- he knows he won't have the congress to balance budgets. No sense promising something that is impossible.

Kamala? She is simply gonna say whatever she can to get the votes, regardless of how stupid it is. Guess she figures that half the country has never heard of Venezuela, and price controls sound awful cool to the uninitiated.
 
BuzzH said:
Get off the cross, we need the wood.
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Ooooh- snappy comeback Buzz. How long did it take to think that one up? Gotta suggestion- for future responses on that intellectual level you can get a whole library of them from your local 6th grade class. That way you don’t have to waste so much effort.

For fun- we can move up to Jomama insults. I still hold onto a few since it seems more effective than the elementary school stuff.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
I get that. Trump is a businessman; he should have ideas on how to get 2X more for the dollars we spend. I sure will vote for him, but would like to see more transformative ideas.
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Having ideas and getting them through to get implemented are two very different things. It’s hard to do when your own party is quietly working against you.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
Trump is smart as well (in this way)- he knows he won't have the congress to balance budgets. No sense promising something that is impossible.
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He did promise to balance the budget. In his first term, he promised to have the debt paid off in 8 years. Multiple times.

And he has veto power over spending bills and GOP had both chambers of Congress. The debt and deficit spending increased at record levels with the spending he signed into legislation and the tax plan he promoted.

It's simply not defensible to claim GOP or Trump are conservative spenders or will decrease the National Debt. Clearly, the same can be said about Dems; but I think we all agree on that.
 
Ya- haven't seen him do that this time around though. So maybe he's gotten a little more pragmatic (if there is anything like that in him).
 
grizzly said:
Libs don't. Though, Repubs don't either anymore apparently. And they never have when they were in charge and the ones spending the money. The numbers prove their lip service was just that, lip service, to satisfy the people who believed what they said and never looked for the truth themselves. "Trust, but verify." - Ronald Reagan Sure they can. We have one bad President right now and a hundred years of precedent showing the GOP ran up the deficit as bad as and President before them. They can absolutely both be true. You and I both know the last President to have a balanced budget was Clinton. You'd have a better argument about the intentions of the GOP, but even with a record-setting President in office, they don't say a word about the debt in the official platform of an election year.
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grizzly said:
Libs don't. Though, Repubs don't either anymore apparently. And they never have when they were in charge and the ones spending the money. The numbers prove their lip service was just that, lip service, to satisfy the people who believed what they said and never looked for the truth themselves. "Trust, but verify." - Ronald Reagan Sure they can. We have one bad President right now and a hundred years of precedent showing the GOP ran up the deficit as bad as and President before them. They can absolutely both be true. You and I both know the last President to have a balanced budget was Clinton. You'd have a better argument about the intentions of the GOP, but even with a record-setting President in office, they don't say a word about the debt in the official platform of an election year.
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grizzly said:
Libs don't. Though, Repubs don't either anymore apparently.

And they never have when they were in charge and the ones spending the money. The numbers prove their lip service was just that, lip service, to satisfy the people who believed what they said and never looked for the truth themselves.

"Trust, but verify." - Ronald Reagan


Sure they can. We have one bad President right now and a hundred years of precedent showing the GOP ran up the deficit as bad as and President before them.

They can absolutely both be true.

You and I both know the last President to have a balanced budget was Clinton.

You'd have a better argument about the intentions of the GOP, but even with a record-setting President in office, they don't say a word about the debt in the official platform of an election year.
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I love this argument.

The libs have no standards, so they can't be held to any.

Whether spending, or morals, or you name it. Only in America can the biggest spender to ever exist, be compared to anyone.

I agree, Newt Gingrich created the last balanced budget.

And since then anytime spending or budgets come up, the libs pound the R for gov shutdowns.


Competing with Santa Claus is impossible.


But we exist in the real world. Biden set records that Harris will destroy. Increments better, is still better.
 
Trump is gonna be a dictator on day one... they all said.

But Kamala's Venezuela style socialist price controls & $25k housing giveaways can't possibly be done unless it goes through congress... is the new message du jour.

Trump will be a dictator on day one, but Biden/Harris ignoring the Supreme court and plowing ahead with student loan bailouts is democracy. Joe Biden: "The Supreme court blocked me, but that didn't stop me"
 
grizzly said:
He did promise to balance the budget. In his first term, he promised to have the debt paid off in 8 years. Multiple times.

And he has veto power over spending bills and GOP had both chambers of Congress. The debt and deficit spending increased at record levels with the spending he signed into legislation and the tax plan he promoted.

It's simply not defensible to claim GOP or Trump are conservative spenders or will decrease the National Debt. Clearly, the same can be said about Dems; but I think we all agree on that.
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Maybe you've missed the news?

The GOP is currently trying to rid itself of the establishment R.

Yes. Trump had McConnel and Ryan.

And he spent more time fighting them than Pelosi or Shumer.

And this time around R establishment is under cutting yet again. The hate Vance is getting is spearheaded by Lindsey Graham and Kellyann Conway.

The GOP is riding itself of McConnell. Ryan, Kinsinger, Cheney, Romney, etc, etc are gone.

Trump spent to much. Beat that horse.

Then Biden showed up.

But I know your a smart guy. Biden hasn't been capable of anything for at least 2 years, probably 3. The same crew, is in Kamala's crew. The libs don't do democracy. They superdelegates Sanders, they Obamaed the field in 20', the couped this time.

I was a Desantis guy. But he lost in a PRIMARY.

So I'm left with Trump, or a woman who has accomplished not a single thing on her life.

Trump spends to much.

Harris is an empty vessel who leans Marxist.
 
hossblur said:
Maybe you've missed the news?

The GOP is currently trying to rid itself of the establishment R.

Yes. Trump had McConnel and Ryan.

And he spent more time fighting them than Pelosi or Shumer.

And this time around R establishment is under cutting yet again. The hate Vance is getting is spearheaded by Lindsey Graham and Kellyann Conway.

The GOP is riding itself of McConnell. Ryan, Kinsinger, Cheney, Romney, etc, etc are gone.

Trump spent to much. Beat that horse.

Then Biden showed up.

But I know your a smart guy. Biden hasn't been capable of anything for at least 2 years, probably 3. The same crew, is in Kamala's crew. The libs don't do democracy. They superdelegates Sanders, they Obamaed the field in 20', the couped this time.

I was a Desantis guy. But he lost in a PRIMARY.

So I'm left with Trump, or a woman who has accomplished not a single thing on her life.

Trump spends to much.

Harris is an empty vessel who leans Marxist.
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Can you believe Conway is on $50,000/month retainer for that Ukrainian guy, Pinchuk. Gotta keep that Ukrainian money flowing, except Vance wants to look deeper into it and be more cautious….so, he needs to go. It goes deeper than just Pinchuk though…ultimately getting links to the pee tape hoax, and millions to Clinton foundation, then to Soros.

From the left-wing commie rag Politico:
https://www.politico.com/newsletter...t-d-c-power-player-linked-to-pinchuk-00172694
 
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Flyjunky12 said:
Can you believe Conway is on $50,000/month retainer for that Ukrainian guy, Pinchuk. Gotta keep that Ukrainian money flowing, except Vance wants to look deeper into it and be more cautious….so, he needs to go. It goes deeper than just Pinchuk though…ultimately getting links to the pee tape hoax, and millions to Clinton foundation, then to Soros.

From the left-wing commie rag Politico:
https://www.politico.com/newsletter...t-d-c-power-player-linked-to-pinchuk-00172694
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Unfortunately yeah.

She's not alone.

But she was a Ted Cruz girl, until he lost and a better job opened up.

The uniparty protects it's own
 
Kellyanne… I am thankful for her help during the 2020 campaign.

Happy she left her x husband POS George

But signing up as a foreign agent for Ukraine? 🤷‍♂️
 
hossblur said:
Maybe you've missed the news?

The GOP is currently trying to rid itself of the establishment R.
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So that's what you call being the only President to lose the White House, Senate, and House of Reps in four years, huh?

MAGA is to GOP what SFW is to hunting in Utah.
 
grizzly said:
So that's what you call being the only President to lose the White House, Senate, and House of Reps in four years, huh?

MAGA is to GOP what SFW is to hunting in Utah.
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How'd the R fair under the Presidency of that moral and honest moderate Mitt Romney? How about McCain?

Hes running against Harris.

Which primary did she win to be the Dem candidate?


But yeah.

I think Curtis will win. He's an upgrade of Romney. Hagelman is a definite upgrade over Cheney.

You don't affect leverage from outside the tent.

Even gov Cox admits that, I guess he's MAGA too now, huh?
 
hossblur said:
How'd the R fair under the Presidency of that moral and honest moderate Mitt Romney? How about McCain?

Hes running against Harris.

Which primary did she win to be the Dem candidate?


But yeah.

I think Curtis will win. He's an upgrade of Romney. Hagelman is a definite upgrade over Cheney.

You don't affect leverage from outside the tent.

Even gov Cox admits that, I guess he's MAGA too now, huh?
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Um, they often had the House and/or Senate. They also didn't have the first 1-term President since 1992 (which was really the third Reagan term).

By all accounts the GOP has lost seats and underperformed since 2016. It's indisputable.

Any reasonable conservative would win this year in a landslide. Instead, it's neck-and-neck.

In my opinion, and I think you agree, SFW destroyed Utah hunting from the inside.

MAGA is doing the same thing to the GOP.

hossblur said:
Which primary did she win to be the Dem candidate?
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Heck, dude, you're smarter than to parrot that garbage. Party Nominees are chosen by delegates, not primaries. Harris won the delegates.

If you don't believe me, sue to have her removed from the ballot. Good luck with that.
 
grizzly said:
Heck, dude, you're smarter than to parrot that garbage. Party Nominees are chosen by delegates, not primaries. Harris won the delegates.
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And the delegates were selected by voters- who did not vote for Harris.

But honestly who cares- clearly the dem voters don't so why should I.
 
grizzly said:
Um, they often had the House and/or Senate. They also didn't have the first 1-term President since 1992 (which was really the third Reagan term).

By all accounts the GOP has lost seats and underperformed since 2016. It's indisputable.

Any reasonable conservative would win this year in a landslide. Instead, it's neck-and-neck.

In my opinion, and I think you agree, SFW destroyed Utah hunting from the inside.

MAGA is doing the same thing to the GOP.



Heck, dude, you're smarter than to parrot that garbage. Party Nominees are chosen by delegates, not primaries. Harris won the delegates.

If you don't believe me, sue to have her removed from the ballot. Good luck with that.
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I disagree obviously.

The establishment Rino's ruined it. Decades of marginal tax rate discussions.

Speeches on abortion and the border while doing nothing. The Washington generals of every policy issue.

I preferred Desantis, be ause he was more cutthroat on policy.


The delegates were Bidens. They had to remove him via donor threats. She WON zero in an election. Once the old man was irradiated for being so bad mentally he couldn't campaign (somehow able to run the country), they went Harris.

There was not open convention, it was a backroom coup. Obama didn't even support her anointment
 

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