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Well this is going to shut down some sheep hunts, late season elk hunts. Elks fork is main hub to access several areas.

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Why is this the Clearwater Fire? The Clearwater drainage is North of the road and river. Anyway, will they let it burn to remove beetle killed lodgepole pine or will they actually make an effort to put it out? You never know around here. NFH is right about the fire possibly altering sheep (Area 3) and elk hunts and especially access into other areas. No telling how many USFS administrators and supervisors are standing around watching this fire.
 
mightyhunter said:
Why is this the Clearwater Fire? The Clearwater drainage is North of the road and river. Anyway, will they let it burn to remove beetle killed lodgepole pine or will they actually make an effort to put it out? You never know around here. NFH is right about the fire possibly altering sheep (Area 3) and elk hunts and especially access into other areas. No telling how many USFS administrators and supervisors are standing around watching this fire.
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Had this same discussion on the fire name. My guess was since Clearwater campground is near.

Going to be a interesting fire to watch. Lot of dead crap to be burnt
 
Hopefully they will get the trail opened up to the public again before the season opens. As NFH said, that is a pretty major trail to access a lot of country!
 
Not much of a fire if it's only burned 1,000 areas in eleven days. Seems to me if they were serious about putting it our there would be fire crews coming in from all over the state/country.
 
eelgrass said:
Maybe you need firefighters like we have in California. So far, they've held the Park fire to around 400,000 acres with 18% containment.
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Good grief. You have got to be kidding. Emulating Cali fire suppression, fire fighting or forest management practices would be a disaster. The smoke from the Chico fire has inundated NW Wyoming. Perhaps Cali should have used a Proposition 65 warning to stop the smoke before it crossed the state line. Just sayin…mh
 
mightyhunter said:
Good grief. You have got to be kidding. Emulating Cali fire suppression, fire fighting or forest management practices would be a disaster. The smoke from the Chico fire has inundated NW Wyoming. Perhaps Cali should have used a Proposition 65 warning to stop the smoke before it crossed the state line. Just sayin…mh
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California is the #1 exporter of carbon pollution in the nation.
 
eelgrass said:
I was a forest fire fighter for CalFire (CDF back then) in the mid 1960's. The biggest fire we had was 1,200 acres.
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Right, which means your clueless about how to go about fighting the fires of today.

I did 8 years fighting fire and what I saw in 1987 wasn't the same as what I saw in 1988, which was different than what I saw in 1994.

Fuel loads, I&D issues, Wildland/urban interface, fire activity, length of fire season, all much different than 1960.

That's the problem with old blue hairs, once they dig their last foot of fireline, nothing changes in their minds.

I'll be the first to tell you, $hit has changed in fire intensity, fuel loads, etc. to the point it's almost stupid/laughable to compare putting out 2 manners in 1960 to fighting fires that burn a half million acres in 24 hours.

Clueless...
 
eelgrass said:
I was a forest fire fighter for CalFire (CDF back then) in the mid 1960's. The biggest fire we had was 1,200 acres.
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I was on this fire in 88 for about 3 weeks including the day it burned 200 square miles.

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The Canyon Creek Fire blowup revisited 30 years later

This summer marks the 30th anniversary of the Canyon Creek fire, which began early in the summer of 1988 but made it's lasting impact when it burned over 200 square miles in one night on Sept. 6. The summer of 1988 was significant. After a hot and dry summer, fires that had previously been left...
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Get your Pulaski and fedco(piss pump) and show us how to "put it out"...

Laffin'.
 
BuzzH said:
I was on this fire in 88 for about 3 weeks including the day it burned 200 square miles.

www.seeleylake.com

The Canyon Creek Fire blowup revisited 30 years later

This summer marks the 30th anniversary of the Canyon Creek fire, which began early in the summer of 1988 but made it's lasting impact when it burned over 200 square miles in one night on Sept. 6. The summer of 1988 was significant. After a hot and dry summer, fires that had previously been left...
www.seeleylake.com

Get your Pulaski and fedco(piss pump) and show us how to "put it out"...

Laffin'.
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Understood that everything changes.
So why do you have to be a prick?
 
Homer said:
500,000 acres in 24 hours??.....where and when?
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Read the article, 200 square miles x640...advanced math, 128,000 acres, in about 16 hours. Canyon Creek fire in the scapegoat. It burned out of the scapegoat and out past Augusta.

Radio traffic that day was horseshit, and I was convinced we would be doing body recovery. Turns out, 107 fire fighters deployed shelters that day (building indirect line), including a shot crew. No fatalities and I was surprised about that.

At the September 7 debrief I recall estimates of close to 200,000 in 24 hours. I believe, iirc, it was finalized at 168,000 acres in 24 hours, most of it in 16.

Absolute fuggin' beast...and at the time unprecedented fire behavior.
 
coloradoman said:
Understood that everything changes.
So why do you have to be a prick?
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Why do people that fought 2 manners in the 60's feel the need to imply they're better than current firefighters?

It's BS, a guy wagging his finger that was on a single fire of 1200 acres, babychit compared to todays fires.

I was on 6-7 fires in 3 months in 1988 that were 1200+, 2 that were 250k plus.

You won't be hearing me taking cheap shots and blaming today's firefighters because fires are getting bigger.

It's not their fault, and frankly, there isn't Jack diddly chit you can do when these gobblers take off...other than get the "F" out of dodge.

BTDT...seen it, from the arena.
 
I'm pretty good with math.......I don't see 500,000 acres in 24 hours...I see slightly less than 200,000 acres.....


Not down playing how bad that fire was.... I read the article....YOU said 1/2 million acres in 24 hours while scolding eelgrass....
 
Homer said:
I'm pretty good with math.......I don't see 500,000 acres in 24 hours...I see slightly less than 200,000 acres.....


Not down playing how bad that fire was.... I read the article....YOU said 1/2 million acres in 24 hours while scolding eelgrass....
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1910 big blowup burned 3 million acres in 2 days.

Smokehouse burned over a million.
 
Homer said:
good try....lol
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If we would have eelgrass and his Pulaski, he could have held those fires to an acre, or less.

But, I do stand corrected, 1910 burned way more than half a million acres in 24 hours. Only killed 85 people, which is surprising.
 
Buzz and I both don't know what forest fires are compared to 90 years ago. And I also agree with Buzz that conditions change over time. Fuel loads, access, tools used to fight fires, the numbers of idiots starting fires, the number of people living in rural areas, etc.

It just amazes me that a fire can get started almost in the city of Chico with no plan on how to fight it early or to keep it from blowing up. No fire breaks, nothing. They got airports full of airplanes loaded with fire retardant, roads all over the place. All they can do is issue an emergency order to evacuate. WTF? We used to run to the fire not run away.

Is it just a coincidence that the Forest Service pulled this graph right after Biden was "elected"? The new improved graph starts about 1980 to make it seem like fires are worse. See what they did there?

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eelgrass said:
Buzz and I both don't know what forest fires are compared to 90 years ago. And I also agree with Buzz that conditions change over time. Fuel loads, access, tools used to fight fires, the numbers of idiots starting fires, the number of people living in rural areas, etc.

It just amazes me that a fire can get started almost in the city of Chico with no plan on how to fight it early or to keep it from blowing up. No fire breaks, nothing. They got airports full of airplanes loaded with fire retardant, roads all over the place. All they can do is issue an emergency order to evacuate. WTF? We used to run to the fire not run away.

Is it just a coincidence that the Forest Service pulled this graph right after Biden was "elected"? The new improved graph starts about 1980 to make it seem like fires are worse. See what they did there?

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You're a climate change denier, of course you don't understand how things have changed with fire.

The fire "season" is 12 months long.
 
BuzzH said:
You're a climate change denier, of course you don't understand how things have changed with fire.

The fire "season" is 12 months long.
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I do understand that people saw the fire start right outside of town and called 9-1-1. How many fire trucks does Chico have? Do you suppose one or two might could have drove out there and spray a little water on it? Or maybe it wasn't their district, so they said no. Once they let it grow to 100,000 acres, yeah you might as well just drive the firetruck up and down the road and pray for winter to come and cry climate change. Maybe pick a house and defend it so you're called heroes and be on TV.
 
Below is an interesting article about Colorado's largest wildfires:

Historical Wildfire Information | Fire Prevention and Control

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Historical Wildfire Information​



Colorado's Fire History Facts​


20 of 20 largest wildfires have occurred in the last 20 years (since 2001)

16 of the top 20 largest wildfires wildfires have occurred in the last 13 years (since 2008)


15 of top 20 largest wildfires have occurred in the last 9 years (since 2012)


11 of top 20 largest wildfires have occurred in the last 5 years (since 2016)


9 of top 20 largest wildfires have occurred in the last 3 years (2018 and 2020)


4 of top 5 largest wildfires have occurred in the last 3 years (2018 and 2020)

Colorado's Largest Fires by Acreage​


RankFireAcresYear
1Cameron Peak208,9132020
2East Troublesome193,8122020
3Pine Gulch139,0072020
4Hayman137,7602002
5Spring Creek108,0452018
6High Park87,2842012
7Missionary Ridge70,2852002
8West Fork58,5702013
941654,1292018
10Papoose49,6282013
11Bridger25,8002008
12Last Chance45,0002012
13Bear Springs44,6622011
14MM 11742,7952018
15Beaver Creek28,3802016
16Bull Draw36,5492018
17Badger Hole*33,4212018
18Grizzly Creek32,6312020
19Logan32,5462020
20Burn Canyon31,3002002
*Note: Fires that burned in multiple states

Colorado's Most Destructive Fires by Homes Lost​


RankFireHomes LostYear
1Marshall1,0842021
2Black Forest4892013
3East Troublesome3662020
4Waldo Canyon3462012
5High Park2592012
 
eelgrass said:
I do understand that people saw the fire start right outside of town and called 9-1-1. How many fire trucks does Chico have? Do you suppose one or two might could have drove out there and spray a little water on it? Or maybe it wasn't their district, so they said no. Once they let it grow to 100,000 acres, yeah you might as well just drive the firetruck up and down the road and pray for winter to come and cry climate change. Maybe pick a house and defend it so you're called heroes and be on TV.
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I knew you could get there...you just need to come out of retirement and get that pulaski sharpened up.
 
I hear the same old story every year. Due to climate change it was a really dry winter, so the fire danger is going to be off the charts this summer. If we have really wet winter, due to climate change of course, the grass is going to be really tall and when summer dries it out, due to climate change, the fire danger is going to be off the charts.

Some believe the pulaski was first made by a guy in Idaho, Ed Pulaski, who was a forest ranger-fire fighter, and saved his crew in a fire around 1910.
 

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