BrowningRage
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Just saw this tonight... DNR officers patrolling highways rather than backroads.?
No they do not.Do Wardens Have Radar In Their Trucks Now?
No they do not.
The one that pulled me over for speeding claimed to have one…No they do not.
The one that pulled me over for speeding claimed to have one…
you already know the answer to thatYa!
But Which License Plate Was On Your Truck At The Time?
The ones in utah, juab and tooele county doHey bux?
Do All The DWR Officers Know You By Your First Name?
Perfect year to not have an archery deer tag!Once the archery season starts, the officers will all be in court for the I-15 speeding court dates vs being in the field. Pretty messed up.
Someone needs to ask about this at the next RAC or WB meeting and I would love to see the looks on the faces of the Board.
Anybody Know How Close To The White Line Is Too F'N Close?
How Bout It Niller?
Do You Know?
Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?
I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.
I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.
DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.
Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.
Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.
If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
Is Our DWR/DNR Money Going For RADAR Guns & Such?
So?
If The UHP Decides He's Had Enough Of The City BS?
Can He Go To The Mountain & Look For POACHERS & ETC?
About Like The Time My Wife Was Pulled Over For Driving Too Close To The White Line!
I believe people are mostly upset that we have UHP, city and county cops to patrol traffic violations. DWR is for the wildlife. The fact they are actually putting in time and resources to patrol things we already have tax dollars paying for, when they could be out doing what their actual job, is what get people mad. You hear all the time their resources and man power is already stretched very thin. Yet here they are, patrolling for moving violations, that’s the issue.Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?
I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.
I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.
DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.
Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.
Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.
If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
I believe people are mostly upset that we have UHP, city and county cops to patrol traffic violations. DWR is for the wildlife. The fact they are actually putting in time and resources to patrol things we already have tax dollars paying for, when they could be out doing what their actual job, is what get people mad. You hear all the time their resources and man power is already stretched very thin. Yet here they are, patrolling for moving violations, that’s the issue.
I don’t disagree, but if I were a betting man, this investigative piece is sensationalizing how much “patrolling” they are doing.
Someone GRAMA request how many speeding tickets have been written statewide by DWR officers. I’m guessing the number isn’t high.
So?
You're OK With Game Wardens Writing SPEEDING Tickets When They Could Be Up On The Hill Checking Hunters & Fishermen?
I don’t disagree, but if I were a betting man, this investigative piece is sensationalizing how much “patrolling” they are doing.
Someone GRAMA request how many speeding tickets have been written statewide by DWR officers. I’m guessing the number isn’t high.
No, I do not want them doing that while they are supposed to be up on the mountain.
But I’ll try to make this very simple: If they are not on the mountain, which they don’t stay on the mountain 24/7 365, Bessy, and if they are driving down the road when they are NOT on the mountain, and see a violation I have zero heartburn if they address it.
Zero.
Like I said above, all these snowflakes need to quit blaming others and take a little accountability. If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
But Here's The F'N Deal:
What Are Most People Gonna Do On A Speeding Ticket?
Ya,They're Gonna Pay It Rather Than Fight It Which = Quick Easy Money For The State!
Chief Bukakke can suck it. Complete abuse of power and a waste of resources.
Quick question:
I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?
Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Quick question:
I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?
Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Quick question:
I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?
Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Quick question:
I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?
Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Quick question:
I get pulled over for going 90 on the freeway in Payson by a DWR officer. I go pay the ticket. Who gets the $130 fine I just paid?
Tell me that, Bessy, and then I’ll listen to you yap about “quick easy money for the state.”
Otherwise, the DWR needs to do the job WE pay it to do. There isn't a reason for DWR to be on I-15 in Payson. Plenty of dirt roads and mountain roads for them to be on.
Hossy, you’re starting to sound irrational.
So now DWR officers can’t even use the freeway to get places? They can only use dirt roads?
Plenty of travel on I-15 to get around their assigned areas more efficiently.
So we are getting upset and hot and bothered about 1 speeding ticket per week statewide by all DWR officers combined?
1 ticket between every officer combined per week!
Goodness ladies. You need better hobbies.
If you watched the vid, you saw the stats, this isn't some random occurrence.
1 citation every 23 hours quota.
Supposedly quotas are illegal
The stats are posted above. 1 speeding ticket across the entire state a week. Combined. How many officers statewide? All of them combined across the entire state wrote ONE speeding ticket per week.
You’ve got to come with better than that Hossy! The stats made you all look like a bunch of babies. Some here are just that, but you’re better than that Hoss.
I’ll reiterate, if you don’t want a citation, don’t break the law. Pretty simple. Or people can whine like babies. Either way.
I would like to ask them why they ate not out patrolling fishing areas or wildlife areas. Maybe that's what they need to do help our deer herds come back. Maybe there is so much poaching going in, killing deer, that they are on a decline.Why? The DWR conservation officers do not work for the Wildlife Board or the RACs. Why would the DNR care what those two groups have to say over anyone else?
I do know! “Close to the line” is not a violation.
I know this news story gets people fired up, and that is the whole reason they are doing it. A presidential election isn’t enough good news bites for them, apparently. So here is the deal, coming from someone that has no authority to speak on behalf of anyone and I have no inside knowledge about what is happening with the DNR directive, but I do know a thing or two about this world and will spit some truth for you all.
DWR conservation officers are POST certified with the exact same statewide law enforcement jurisdiction as any other police officer in the state. If they observe a violation of the law, why does anyone think they can’t stop you? The law doesn’t agree with you if you are of that belief. While traffic enforcement isn’t a part of their direct duties, it’s absolutely in their prerogative to make a lawful stop for any violation of the law anywhere in the state of Utah.
Next, it appears they are doing this because they were told to do so by their superiors. The vast majority of us answer to a boss, and when our bosses say your job is now to do this, we do it. If we have an issue with the practice, we shouldn’t harp on the officers, but take it up the chain to those that mandated they do certain things.
Honestly, this doesn’t bother me one bit. If I felt like DWR officers were camped out on I-15 running radar all shift, that would bug me, however, it appears they are just being told that when out and about traveling between areas, if you see something, do something about it. I’ve got no issue with that. This isn’t illegal. It’s not a violation of policy. It’s within their law enforcement powers.
If you don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.
Now you're being disingenuous.
The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR) mission statement is to serve Utah's people as the state's wildlife's guardian and trustee. The UDWR is part of the Utah Department of Natural Resources and is headquartered in Salt Lake City. The UDWR's additional responsibilities include managing and protecting the state's wildlife, as well as hunting and fishing opportunities.
Show me where traffic violations are covered in their own mission statement
And They Could Only Come Up With 5 F'N Handheld Device Violations Huh?
I'll Show You More Than That In One Hour On Any Given Day You Wanna Go For A Ride!
WAFJ!
If they had a quota for making money, don’t you think it would be a bit higher than 1 citation a day. Speeding citations can be written on any roadway, not just the interstate. Lots of fish and game cases are made by stopping vehicles in the early morning hours on backroads or coming out of the hills for traffic violations. It’s clear some of you just don’t like the DWR and that’s your call, but the numbers nilla showed don’t show a quotas driven enforcement plan or a serious deviation from their mission. .
1 collective speeding ticket across the entire state each week. ONE!!! This is what all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth is about. ONE flippin speeding ticket a week across the entire state of Utah.
Like I said, people around here need better hobbies.
Did you get a ticket? If so, did you fight it? They are not equipped with radar nor handheld lidars due to the cost.The one that pulled me over for speeding claimed to have one…
I did not get a ticket because I called him on his bullchit. We fought about it for a few minutes and then he told me this was my “verbal warning” and walked back to his truck. I was “speeding”, I’ll admit that. But 5 over on a county road isn’t that big of a deal, and He would never tell me how fast I was going, because he couldn’t. I think the real reason he pulled me over is because I was wearing a camo jacket and wanted to see if I was actively hunting anything in the area (he asked me where my shotgun was at in the car, but u didn’t have one). There had been some kids in the area causing problems with trespassing and shooting out of the vehicles at waterfowl. But it wasn’t me. I was just driving home from work.Did you get a ticket? If so, did you fight it? They are not equipped with radar nor handheld lidars due to the cost.
The waterfowl checks on opening day most certainly do flirt with the harassing line. Their tone, questions and comments are not very friendly most of the time.Harassing people or doing their job. I guess it’s interpretation.
We can agree that the directive is probably misguided.
However, you are going to get mocked if you stick to this “what a waste of resources” line when they are doing ONE speeding ticket each week across the entire state. You are correct that they are doing other things, so let’s include them too. 47 other non-speeding violations (according to this masterful investigative piece) over the last year, so now we are talking about a whopping TWO!!! Oh my goodness. DWR officer spent a collective 30 minutes across the entire state each week documenting a non-wildlife law violation!
Quit being a bessy, Hossy! This is such a nothingburger.
Great post, and I suppose those whining about DNR stopping a speeder once a week will also whine when a Sheriff or HP pull over a suspected poacher.If they had a quota for making money, don’t you think it would be a bit higher than 1 citation a day. Speeding citations can be written on any roadway, not just the interstate. Lots of fish and game cases are made by stopping vehicles in the early morning hours on backroads or coming out of the hills for traffic violations. It’s clear some of you just don’t like the DWR and that’s your call, but the numbers nilla showed don’t show a quotas driven enforcement plan or a serious deviation from their mission. .
Yeah Vanilla. Swat is also POST certified. But we don't need them in full gear, in the armored truck, citing jay walkers. And they actually are funded by the same pool that funds beat cops.
Great post, and I suppose those whining about DNR stopping a speeder once a week will also whine when a Sheriff or HP pull over a suspected poacher.
They're all LEO's, spread thin across vast areas, and IMO, its perfectly fine if they assist and help each other.
Its pretty common in Wyoming to have a Sheriff respond to a poaching/trespassing incident or be patrolling back roads during hunting season.
I like that analogy! Let’s roll with it.
What are all the SWAT officers doing when they are not in an active SWAT situation?
You don’t think they sit around in full body armor waiting for the call all day, do you?
I've defended DWR as much or more than anyone here.
You could have also gotten off the dike for your hunt and not had to worry about that ever being an issue…. That’s what most of their bosses will tell you.There's a lot of good dudes who "get it"
Had a new female officer few years back during the swan hunt that decided 4:30 was a good time for her to drive down the dike as the swans were dropping in.
I was pissed. So I called her boss at Ogden Bay.
He told me she was changing head gates and it had to be done that day, yada, yada, yada.
I told him it was bullshit for her to be there @4:30 when shooting ended at 5. It was a officer not using her damn brain.
He actually agreed. Which I appreciated.
Seen her a few weeks later, walked over, introduced myself and told her I complained to her boss.
We had a quick discussion about how a large part of her job is public relations and she needed to be aware of it.
Nice girl(lady). Still see her once in awhile.
Point being yeah, they are post grads. But this is a really bad look, especially as we are constantly told how short staffed and under funded they are.
I think Utah could take a lesson from Wyoming fish cops. They have way more area to cover And from what I Have witnessed, they do a great job getting around and doing their job.Great post, and I suppose those whining about DNR stopping a speeder once a week will also whine when a Sheriff or HP pull over a suspected poacher.
They're all LEO's, spread thin across vast areas, and IMO, its perfectly fine if they assist and help each other.
Its pretty common in Wyoming to have a Sheriff respond to a poaching/trespassing incident or be patrolling back roads during hunting season.
You could have also gotten off the dike for your hunt and not had to worry about that ever being an issue…. That’s what most of their bosses will tell you.
But I get what you’re saying. Back when shooting hours opening day started at 8 on the gsl marshes, the fed twig pigs would start walking through guys set ups and decoys at 8:15. I believe my dislike for fish and game officers started with those encounters. I was really young when I started to witness that stuff… but they don’t care. It’s all about the power. And they love to show you they have it.
There’s nothing worse than having to deal with a fed fish cop. They will 1000% Make the stop as hard as possible for everyone involved. I absolutely refuse to go the Bear river now because that place is their home.We were on on lake shore, she was flaring the flights.
The fed dudes are a whole different crew.
Walking back out to parking lot, 1 way out, could see the DWR truck parked there, no big deal I run legal.
50 yards from the gate dude literally jumps out of the bushes, scared the **** out of me, dog reacted, etc.
Of course he's checking everything, plug, magnets, etc.
Told the dipshit jumping out like that was the dumbest **** I'd ever seen, just asking to get bit, or worse.
Every encounter with them is "interesting".
Always got along good with state guys
Would you be okay with a legally licensed driver being stopped as many times as a street cop wants just to “make sure” he is licensed and legal? You see, regular officers are required to have reasonable articulable suspicion the CRIME is happening, will happen or has happened in order to detain someone and investigate… with the intent to confirm or dispel that suspicion. The end. Full stop. If probable cause is found then a citation or arrest… or a warning is in order. DWR needs reasonable suspicion to believe you were involved in a legal and lawful activity and can then search without a warrant, permission or exigent circumstances, remove personal property and demand ID. I fully support efforts of law enforcement but, when left unchecked by the Constitutional safeguards afforded to us by the Founding Fathers, we get what we have today ie, lines at your favorite waterfowl spots waiting for his majesty’s permission to hunt the king’s game, etc. and the only argument to this position is, “Well how else are they supposed to catch violators?” My retort is this: would you be okay with your 16 year old daughter being stopped, searched and detained by every and any officer whenever they felt like it because she is legally and lawfully driving? (Now insert hunting, fishing, recreating, camping etc etc etc)It’s clear you don’t like the enforcement and that’s fine. If you expect them to remember everyone’s license they have already checked that won’t happen.
There’s nothing worse than having to deal with a fed fish cop. They will 1000% Make the stop as hard as possible for everyone involved. I absolutely refuse to go the Bear river now because that place is their home.
Would you be okay with a legally licensed driver being stopped as many times as a street cop wants just to “make sure” he is licensed and legal? You see, regular officers are required to have reasonable articulable suspicion the CRIME is happening, will happen or has happened in order to detain someone and investigate… with the intent to confirm or dispel that suspicion. The end. Full stop. If probable cause is found then a citation or arrest… or a warning is in order. DWR needs reasonable suspicion to believe you were involved in a legal and lawful activity and can then search without a warrant, permission or exigent circumstances, remove personal property and demand ID. I fully support efforts of law enforcement but, when left unchecked by the Constitutional safeguards afforded to us by the Founding Fathers, we get what we have today ie, lines at your favorite waterfowl spots waiting for his majesty’s permission to hunt the king’s game, etc. and the only argument to this position is, “Well how else are they supposed to catch violators?” My retort is this: would you be okay with your 16 year old daughter being stopped, searched and detained by every and any officer whenever they felt like it because she is legally and lawfully driving? (Now insert hunting, fishing, recreating, camping etc etc etc)
Hey Elk,, get off their case,,, not one white line ticket written by the DWR.About Like The Time My Wife Was Pulled Over For Driving Too Close To The White Line!
I have a legal question for you.This is a fair point. I do wonder, however, if there are rules attached to obtaining hunting and/or fishing licenses that you agree to be checked while doing that activity. I don’t know the answer to that one, to be honest, but it wouldn’t shock me if there is some “small print” nobody ever reads with that.
I think even if that existed they’d still have to have reasonable suspicion that you are hunting or fishing to check you. They can’t just stop any person or vehicle in the mountains and say “show me your papers.”
No, just wanted my SSN.Only thing I can think of on a SS number is that warrants and correction hits have SS listed as one of the identifiers. There could have been a “near” hit with your name and date of birth and was trying to clarify. I don’t know what the federal laws say about how you have to identify yourself. Did he ask about scars, marks and tattoos?
They certainly have…Utah Code Section 76-8-301.5
le.utah.gov
Name and date of birth.
Having dealt with some fed officers at BRBR, those folks have worked really hard to earn their reputations!
So what would happen if I told him I didn’t know it and couldn’t produce it? I go to jail because I have dyslexia and problems remembering numbers? That sounds pretty harsh for having a learning disabilitylost brings up a good point. Being on a federal reserve, federal laws can kick in and I have no idea if federal law has a similar provision to it that requires SS#. I’m only talking about Utah law on name and birthdate. If I was a betting man I’d guess not, but I don’t know the answer to that one.
So what would happen if I told him I didn’t know it and couldn’t produce it? I go to jail because I have dyslexia and problems remembering numbers? That sounds pretty harsh for having a learning disability
No one would fault you for being dumb. You are obviously displaying it here for everyone to read. Does your mom still wipe your a&@?So what would happen if I told him I didn’t know it and couldn’t produce it? I go to jail because I have dyslexia and problems remembering numbers? That sounds pretty harsh for having a learning disability
No one would fault you for being dumb. You are obviously displaying it here for everyone to read. Does your mom still wipe your a&@?
Hey Elk,, get off their case,,, not one white line ticket written by the DWR.
I think Utah could take a lesson from Wyoming fish cops. They have way more area to cover And from what I Have witnessed, they do a great job getting around and doing their job.