I guess that is the a realistic version of how things are? I'm just curious about what folks are willing to do. Here in Oregon 1983 ODFW estimates was 306,000 mule deer, in 2022 it was 162,600. I personally think the spread is larger but that doesn't really matter. Appreciate your realistic view.
I like your thinking but I said god of game management not the state police so I'm not sure game management could keep speed limits to 30 mph. I'm not sure where and if game management could enforce the others but all great suggestions.
Not to divert too much but I would bet there are not too many old barren does out there, if any most places. most wildlife never get old enough to become infertile. not enough that would matter anyway.
I totally agree, vehicles kill tons of deer there is no doubt about that. I guess I could have phrased it better. Like if you could tell the fish and game of all western states what to do regarding helping mule deer and they had to do it, what would you tell them. Thanks for helping me clarify my question.
Wow, now even I have to view that as extreme.
Big fat ugly rifle hunters won't pick up a bow.
The question didn't ask for people to be realistic. It ask for extreme measures from a wildlife management perspective. However, I personally agree predator control is huge in this equation.
O.K. I'll bite. What is 10-80? Evidently some type of predator control? Love to hear details.
Actually pretty amazing history. Want to read a really good book that covers it read “ coyote America “ by Dan Flores
100%
we didn't realize how good we had it.
They put is out to get rid of ground squirrels........counties mandated you do it and supplied it.....it worked so well that anything that ate the dead squirrels also died....and if they got ate, whatever ate them died........killed 3 times...
The only thing that I am completely against is limiting youth opportunity.A lot of great info with your responses to my question. Do we dare take it a step further? Some people said a few suggestions that were posted were unrealistic, for this question you didn't have to be realist. But it did say if you were god of game management so that would limit you to things that game managers have control over and for the sake of argument we'll throw in forest land & BLM. But even though they are totally legitimate in their reasoning game managers don't have control over speed limits, Mansions on private property or the internet so I'll leave that out. Here are your categories you mentioned but banning doe hunting was probably the #1 most mention thing..
1. Improvement of winter range/habitat management. Sheet grass/all noxious weed control. Water guzzlers, etc."
2. Predator Control - Mentioned quite a bit. But mainly toward coyotes. How about control of larger predators?? There was mention of OTC cougar tags "is that enough, remember hounds can't be used in every state".
3. Where they have control - Wildlife corridors "over/under passes and more wildlife crossing warnings. Regarding traffic.
4. Season dates both when the hunt occurs and how long and how many season. Draw vs. OTC and wait periods after drawings was mention. No youth tags. No rut hunts.
5. Sex and age restrictions. "No doe hunting, antler point minimum, etc.". stop purposely cropping older bucks for CWD.
6. More accurate population studies and migration path studies.
7. Triple price of tags to lessen more poor hunters. Hey, he mentioned it not me
8. Technology - no trail camera's, all archery. I'm not surprised this wasn't mentioned more but should we take a harder look at limiting all our gadgets that have made us more efficient killers? More traditional weapons areas not necessarily seasons?
9. Ban antlers gathering and/or selling.
10. Stop CRP programs.
11. No one mentioned drain the swamp at our states fish and wildlife agencies either. Sorry couldn't help myself
I understand that I'm just writing everything you already know.
If mule deer come back then things can become a bit more lenient. How do we push more effectively for these things?????
Take a breath and realize how silly you look after all these years bitching about money in hunting
Well at least you didn't hold back
Advocacy where it matters rather than bitc hing on a hunting forum would be where I would start.A lot of great info with your responses to my question. Do we dare take it a step further? Some people said a few suggestions that were posted were unrealistic, for this question you didn't have to be realist. But it did say if you were god of game management so that would limit you to things that game managers have control over and for the sake of argument we'll throw in forest land & BLM. But even though they are totally legitimate in their reasoning game managers don't have control over speed limits, Mansions on private property or the internet so I'll leave that out. Here are your categories you mentioned but banning doe hunting was probably the #1 most mention thing..
1. Improvement of winter range/habitat management. Sheet grass/all noxious weed control. Water guzzlers, etc."
2. Predator Control - Mentioned quite a bit. But mainly toward coyotes. How about control of larger predators?? There was mention of OTC cougar tags "is that enough, remember hounds can't be used in every state".
3. Where they have control - Wildlife corridors "over/under passes and more wildlife crossing warnings. Regarding traffic.
4. Season dates both when the hunt occurs and how long and how many season. Draw vs. OTC and wait periods after drawings was mention. No youth tags. No rut hunts.
5. Sex and age restrictions. "No doe hunting, antler point minimum, etc.". stop purposely cropping older bucks for CWD.
6. More accurate population studies and migration path studies.
7. Triple price of tags to lessen more poor hunters. Hey, he mentioned it not me
8. Technology - no trail camera's, all archery. I'm not surprised this wasn't mentioned more but should we take a harder look at limiting all our gadgets that have made us more efficient killers? More traditional weapons areas not necessarily seasons?
9. Ban antlers gathering and/or selling.
10. Stop CRP programs.
11. No one mentioned drain the swamp at our states fish and wildlife agencies either. Sorry couldn't help myself
I understand that I'm just writing everything you already know.
If mule deer come back then things can become a bit more lenient. How do we push more effectively for these things?????
Unfortunately, it also killed a bunch of eagles. That's probably the worst thing it did in the public's eye, and why it led to a ban on 10-80.
Peregrines don’t forget the screaming eagles.
Agreed, there are some common issues amongst the states but there also needs to be some individual approaches added to them.
Good advice. One reason I started this thread was every year people get on this site and ask for advice and every time we all say it's not what it used to be and is getting worst in that area. Then we ***** about how bad that area or state has gotten and they sound like its the only one. Truth is it's worse in all mule deer areas. So here is a chance for all of us "including me" that gripe about it to say what we might do to help it. Thought it would be interesting to see everyone opinions.
Gotta really watch out for those trail cams! I was nearly killed by one.
Can’t say you’re wrong. Hard to imagine but you are right.
How does eliminating NR hunters fix the deer problem? IT doesnt do a dang thing. A tag is a tag, the deer dont care if its a resident or NR hunter when they get shot, they are dead. And it doesnt matter of 1,000 tags if 999 are Res and 1 is NR or even if its 500 and 500.
There you go again eel. Giving everything to the youth hunters.
Don't forget you are one of those OPPOR-F'N-TUNISTS
It's a sin to be greedy.
You haven’t been killed by one, but many big bucks have been killed because of them.
You forgot to add that everything needs to be high fenced.
Bingo.....
Just curious??....why do away with CRP?......other than it is terribly abused....
I was wondering the same things.
No I didn't. I would prefer no fences.
Who has a new job?
I’ve giving up pointing fingers and offering suggestions hawbill. I try hard to just report what I’ve seen and tried to do over the years…… as a bias historian, of sorts.
It is…….. and I suffer terribly because my sins.
1st - it's a Govt' run program......
Compound 1080 quit mid 70's.........you were seeing the results of NO predators.....
