More Arguments for Gun Control

BeanMan said:
So by that reasoning it’s ok for a drug addict like Hunter Biden to lie on his background check?
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There is a big difference as I suspect JP is not a drug addict and JP only indicated he didn't like being asked questions, not that he would answer with anything but the truth.
 
BeanMan said:
So by that reasoning it’s ok for a drug addict like Hunter Biden to lie on his background check?
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No. By my logic background checks are what’s not ok.

Let everyone have a gun. First year or so will be pretty tough but society will start to get real polite, real fast when you know everyone’s packing.


In seriousness, it’s gone so far with our fascist government infringing on this right that it makes what was once a normal thought “ think I’ll go down to sears today and buy a pistol” seem radical. Only problem with poopy pants son having that gun is that he didn’t mistake it for a crack pipe and the trigger for a lighter
 

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GAO Report: Feds Prosecute 0.01% of 'Lie and Try' Attempted Gun Purchases

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Unfortunately an appeal would be after an election.


I would really enjoy Hunter vs Joe on gun registration and control with Hunter claiming it's unconstitutional
 
What you do not see stats published is the incidents where a citizen pulled a firearm and stopped a crime in it's tracks. Most of these incidents did not require any shots being fired. I saw a article several years ago that there was many-many thousands of these incidents per year and yet the liberals keep it hush hush.
RELH
 
hossblur said:
Unfortunately an appeal would be after an election.


I would really enjoy Hunter vs Joe on gun registration and control with Hunter claiming it's unconstitutional
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I've seen several well respected attorneys recently argue two points.

1. Constitutionally vague on what the definition of an unlawful drug user is. Alcohol is also a known depressant and it's addictive. When the 2nd was written there were laws that allowed the authorities to take your gun if you were drunk. They couldn't just take it because you were a drinker or an addict.

2. 5th Amendment, your right against self-incrimination. Should you be forced to answer a question that would incriminate you?

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wetmule said:
2. 5th Amendment, your right against self-incrimination. Should you be forced to answer a question that would incriminate you?

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Completely irrelevant to the 5th amendment. The portion of the 5th amendment that would apply, if applicable at all here, states the following:

"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"

There is not a criminal case happening when you are filling out an application to purchase a gun, just a transaction to purchase an item. The plain reading of the constitution, which is the only reading I care about or should matter, clearly states that this provision of the 5th amendment applies to criminal cases, not gun purchases.
 
Weiserbucks said:
You think laws are going to stop that? Just like laws stop druggies from getting drugs?
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That's a weak argument. We are a Nation of laws. We have laws so that there can be consequences for those that choose to break them.
Anyone can break any law at any time. Should we get rid of all laws?
 
I do find it humorous that you think any law will keep a convicted felon from obtaining a fire arm. Must have loads of historical data to back that one up
 
JPickett said:
They should already have been hung for the two crimes you’ve mentioned. More of that and we don’t have to have these talks .

Again though. I’m a complete radical
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Since we live in a world where that doesn't happen, How about you answer the question and not use hypotheticals.

Do you believe a a convicted felon, someone who has killed or Raped or hurt someone else should have a "right" to a firearm?
 
elkantlers said:
Since we live in a world where that doesn't happen, How about you answer the question and not use hypotheticals.

Do you believe a a convicted felon, someone who has killed or Raped or hurt someone else should have a "right" to a firearm?
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Do you believe a convicted felon , someone who raped or killed someone else should have a "right" to live?

Seems you not remedying the real issue only exacerbates the fake one doesn't it.
 
hossblur said:
Do you believe a convicted felon , someone who raped or killed someone else should have a "right" to live?

Seems you not remedying the real issue only exacerbates the fake one doesn't it.
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I would love to see more Capital punishment handed down. I never said that so don't insinuate things you don't know.
 
hossblur said:
If you are worried about rapists and murderers getting guns after convicted of those felonies, then you don't.

A murderer hanging from a tree, doesn't get guns
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Since our justice system doesn't have public hangings and I'm pretty sure you don't have the sack to something like that yourself, We have to deal with the system in place. Sadly that system lets murderers and rapists walk the streets. When that happens I don't wany them to have easy access to firearms. Again sadly, they do get illegal firearms.
 
I'll tell you how they get firearms. While a detective Sgt. I served a search warrant on a suspected drug dealer in my county. In a corner of one room I observed 30-31 firearms stacked up. The drug dealer was taking in guns as payment for his narcotics.
I knew the guns were stolen in burglaries and after running the serial numbers, only 4 showed up as being stolen as most victims of gun thefts fail to keep a record of their guns with serial numbers.
The dope dealer would take the guns to the bay area of CA. and unload them to gang bangers and other criminals for a hefty profit.
The day they outlaw guns, will be the day they will create a black market for guns to be smuggled into this country for sale to criminals at a very high price.
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elkantlers said:
Since our justice system doesn't have public hangings and I'm pretty sure you don't have the sack to something like that yourself, We have to deal with the system in place. Sadly that system lets murderers and rapists walk the streets. When that happens I don't wany them to have easy access to firearms. Again sadly, they do get illegal firearms.
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Then we should make it a felony, for felons to be in possession of a gun.

Oh, wait, we did that?

Well ****, here I thought criminals would follow the law.

Maybe. If you come and take my guns, then obviously that will punish the felon.

Or, maybe if you outlaw me handing a gun down to my son, without a gov permit or background check, that will stop the murderer.

Maybe, we could try making gun theft illegal, that will stop them right?

The logic of making something illegal to folks who don't follow laws is beyond flawed
 
hossblur said:
Then we should make it a felony, for felons to be in possession of a gun.

Oh, wait, we did that?

Well ****, here I thought criminals would follow the law.

Maybe. If you come and take my guns, then obviously that will punish the felon.

Or, maybe if you outlaw me handing a gun down to my son, without a gov permit or background check, that will stop the murderer.

Maybe, we could try making gun theft illegal, that will stop them right?

The logic of making something illegal to folks who don't follow laws is beyond flawed
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Who said anything about taking your guns? I've certainly never said that.

elkantlers said:
I'm an FFL and I'm as Pro Gun as can be. However, I do not want Drug Addicts and mentally I'll people to have access to firearms.
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This is my original post. I really don't know how this is controversial.
 
elkantlers said:
Who said anything about taking your guns? I've certainly never said that.


This is my original post. I really don't know how this is controversial.
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Drug addict?

So mandatory testing? Anyone ever treated from addiction? What drugs? Just street drugs? How about "mommies little helpers"? Booze? Is booze different than drugs? If so how?

Mental issues?

Depression? Attachment disorders? Daddy issues?

Who decides? Gov doctor? Private doc going to violate HIPPA? If you've ever sought therapy?


The bumper sticker statement you made, while not uncommon, is so generic it means nothing
 
hossblur said:
Drug addict?

So mandatory testing? Anyone ever treated from addiction? What drugs? Just street drugs? How about "mommies little helpers"? Booze? Is booze different than drugs? If so how?

Mental issues?

Depression? Attachment disorders? Daddy issues?

Who decides? Gov doctor? Private doc going to violate HIPPA? If you've ever sought therapy?


The bumper sticker statement you made, while not uncommon, is so generic it means nothing
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Yup. Shall not infringe, unless it’s for virtue signaling
 
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. I always wondered what the well regulated part is supposed to mean.
 
BeanMan said:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. I always wondered what the well regulated part is supposed to mean.
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I think that a well regulated militia, during the times surrounding 1776, is better defined by definitions and organizations of militias.

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All I will say is that most bad people have guns, and some good people have guns. Since my right and responsibility to protect myself and my family doesn't come from the government, I have guns. I really don't care what laws the government passes. The government is too corrupt and inept to do the right thing so I will.
 
BeanMan said:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. I always wondered what the well regulated part is supposed to mean.
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I wonder how the government would react if we started "a well regulated militia"! 🤷‍♂️
 

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