I agree that this will be overturned. This kind of thing has no place in our country. This is something that would happen in Venezuela or Russia.It will be overturned by the Supreme Court, no question. It was such a sham trial.
I wish there would be some recourse for the judge in this case but we know that won’t happen. It’s akin to bringing 2A laws into court knowing they will get overturned….the people bringing them should be held accountable, this judge should be no different.
You’re joking right? 6th amendment, judges obvious bias with daughter working for dems fundraising, didn’t even state the charge until the end of the trial, a federal charge brought by a state after the feds even declined to prosecute the case, etc, etc, etc. Even democrats legal scholars on CNN of all places said this was a sham.Crazy quick verdict, too!
Curious on what specific legal grounds you guys think the case would be overturned on? (Thinking higher courts don't just overturn jury verdicts for no good reason. Generally has to be a legal or procedural flaw or issue....)
It might be kind of awkward having Trump as President while he's in prison. That might happen if Biden is the only other choice.
Biden should be in prison.It might be kind of awkward having Trump as President while he's in prison. That might happen if Biden is the only other choice.
Chill, man.... I get my news all over. You're watching CNN?? (Relax man, I'm joking... )You’re joking right? 6th amendment, judges obvious bias with daughter working for dems fundraising, didn’t even state the charge until the end of the trial, a federal charge brought by a state after the feds even declined to prosecute the case, etc, etc, etc. Even democrats legal scholars on CNN of all places said this was a sham.
I don’t know where you get your news but you need to dig deeper from more sources than msn.
So tell me oh great one, why did they have to change the law to bring a misdemeanor out from the statute of limitations and turn it into a felony? Why did the fed govt decline to prosecute, saying it wasn’t prosecutable?Convicted by jury of his peers (including two attorneys on the jury who had every opportunity to acquit if the charges were nefarious). The conviction was unanimous, even one juror could've hung the whole jury. (PS. Trump told you he didn't know the charges, he lied; he sat while the judge spent over an hour detailing them explicitly to the jury. It was also provided to the defense prior to the trial starting.)
It will NOT be overturned.
It was NOT a sham trial, Trump just knows his followers will believe him if he says it and that's who he's talking to. (see above)
He will NOT do a day in prison.
Nobody's mind will be changed by the verdict.
It was just repeated again by several former fed prosecuters, talking about the case, the second charge that made this whole “crime” possible is still unknown.Chill, man.... I get my news all over. You're watching CNN?? (Relax man, I'm joking... )
I was asking a serious question. I haven't followed close enough, I guess. So you're saying the state charged and convicted him of a federal crime? Also not following what you mean about the judge not stating the charge until the end of the trial? Huh??
I'm just trying to figure out specifically what guys think the appeal grounds will be.
It was just repeated again by several former fed prosecuters, talking about the case, the second charge that made this whole “crime” possible is still unknown.
They didn't change the law. You've been lied to and you believe it.So tell me oh great one, why did they have to change the law to bring a misdemeanor out from the statute of limitations and turn it into a felony? Why did the fed govt decline to prosecute, saying it wasn’t prosecutable?
They still haven’t said what the second crime was to make this all happen! Grizz, even your favorite Demonrat legal scholars think it’s a sham.
So, will this new law be used to indict Clinton for paying off his whore? What about Hillary paying for the fake dossier using “legal” aka campaign funds? I’m sure those charges are coming, ha.
Maybe we should have the Clinton’s and Biden’s charges brought to a place like Wyoming for a fair trial. I’m sure you’d have no qualms with that, right?
This is a complete joke and everyone knows it.
Ah yeah, and I suppose you believe Biden hasn’t been selling out to China and Ukraine.They didn't change the law. You've been lied to and you believe it.
Everything else you say is your attempt to distract and point attention elsewhere.
Rest assured. He's not going to prison and nobody's mind was changed. This is a big nothingburger .
From Newsweek:Can you provide some information on this? I really cant even comprehend what you’re saying. This doesn’t make sense to me. I’m willing to learn, however.
The falsifying of business records is a misdemeanor. That charge has happened many, many times.Can you provide some information on this? I really cant even comprehend what you’re saying. This doesn’t make sense to me. I’m willing to learn, however.
There you go trying smoke and mirrors again.Ah yeah, and I suppose you believe Biden hasn’t been selling out to China and Ukraine.
I have absolutely no time for anyone who doesn’t see the one-sided slant of the DOJ.
So how does a misdemeanor get to a federal status?
The falsifying of business records is a misdemeanor. That charge has happened many, many times.
If it's done in furtherance of a crime, it's a felony.
The second crime was the fact the payments were done to influence an election. That makes it an election crime and thus the business records charge is enhanced to a felony.
Nobody disputed the payments, and the handwritten notes from Trump's accountant and corresponding check stubs make that portion ironclad.
Paying hush money isn't inherently illegal. The fact that Pecker testified he met with Trump and was specifically directed to influence the election appears to be what closed the case. Pecker's testimony is the portion the jury asked to hear again, along with the jury instructions.
It was the intent portion that could have sunk the case. The jury unanimously decided beyond a reasonable doubt that bar had been met.
It's been clear from the start, you just choose to get your "information" from people that lie to you because you like what they say...34 charges of what exactly? Maybe we will find later.
Name calling, nice. Well done.Please, one of you leftist aholes explain to me how you believe this is correct, how this in anyway helps our democracy, and why you are celebrating tonight.
I actually more or less agree. I also think every politician we’ve had for years has done the same and worse. This is in my opinion this is Going to set a president for attacking political rivals through the doj. It’s going to get real weird for a long time. I do not agree with the verdict but what do I know.Convicted by jury of his peers (including two attorneys on the jury who had every opportunity to acquit if the charges were nefarious). The conviction was unanimous, even one juror could've hung the whole jury. (PS. Trump told you he didn't know the charges, he lied; he sat while the judge spent over an hour detailing them explicitly to the jury. It was also provided to the defense prior to the trial starting.)
It will NOT be overturned.
It was NOT a sham trial, Trump just knows his followers will believe him if he says it and that's who he's talking to. (see above)
He will NOT do a day in prison.
Nobody's mind will be changed by the verdict.
It was a Newsweek article citing an opinion piece by Fox Analyst Gregg Jarrett. Key word being OPINION! Jarrett is not purporting to report news. He is giving his opinion, which is what he gets paid to do. You take a snippet from Newsweek that was citing an opinion piece from a Fox opinion writer, and you call that your news??? Talk about a case of somebody looking ONLY for the news and information they absolutely want to hear and see. Too funny, dude!!From Newsweek:
n the article, Jarrett repeatedly questioned the "so-called 'mystery' or second crime," alleging it was "never fully specified by the DA, even during the trial." He claimed that only during closing arguments "did the prosecutor finally reveal the enigma: it was a federal election crime. But wait. He then contradicted himself by claiming that it was a state crime."
Look to Julie Kelly, one of the last true investigative journalists who’s been at the trial from day 1.
Because they are our enemies.....that's whyPlease, one of you leftist aholes explain to me how you believe this is correct, how this in anyway helps our democracy, and why you are celebrating tonight.
That jury went with the statements of the main witness's against Trump. Cohen and the female stripper even after their creditability as a honest witness was destroyed in court by the defense.
Costello, who was Cohen's attorney at a previous time testified that he asked Cohen numerous times if he had any criminal violations on Trump and Cohen told his attorney, Costello, "NO, I do not have any criminal violations on Trump and that testimony was ignored by the Jury.
The Democrat judge even tried to taint Costello's statements by agreeing to numerous objections by the prosecution attorney.
It seems the prosecution did a very good job of picking a bias jury and Judge to hear the case.
RELH
I can assure you that I’m not embarrassed.FFS NM....stop embarrassing yourself....
He will gain more support from this. I believe Obama and Biden have done way worse.At the end of the day a porn star was paid some money to keep her mouth shut.
Who cares!!! I personally could care less.
The only reason the charges were brought against Trump is because he is a HUGE threat to Biden getting the nomination this Fall. Had Biden not completely F’d everything up during his term, he wouldn’t have been too concerned with Trump.
No you won't....you don't careI’m much less interested in the politics of this and much more interested in the actual law and legal process.
I’ll have to look more closely into this. Some allegations in this thread make no sense from a legal standpoint. If they really happened, that would be wild indeed.
But I’m skeptical that things went down as alleged. I’ve seen how the system works, and that ain’t it.
You don't care about the truth.....as long as Trump looks bad...This is actually a topic I care greatly about!
I’d love to get the true and full scoop.
Actually, Costello was presented with his own emails where he was discussing with Giuliani how to keep Cohen in Trump's camp. It furthered the conspiracy and was damning for TrumpThat jury went with the statements of the main witness's against Trump. Cohen and the female stripper even after their creditability as a honest witness was destroyed in court by the defense.
Costello, who was Cohen's attorney at a previous time testified that he asked Cohen numerous times if he had any criminal violations on Trump and Cohen told his attorney, Costello, "NO, I do not have any criminal violations on Trump and that testimony was ignored by the Jury.
The Democrat judge even tried to taint Costello's statements by agreeing to numerous objections by the prosecution attorney.
It seems the prosecution did a very good job of picking a bias jury and Judge to hear the case.
RELH
You don't care about the truth.....as long as Trump looks bad...
Division & power is the Dem. priority. The damage is done.
If you feel this changes nothing…why did they hide Hunters laptop? Let’s put Biden on trial for his grifting, sexual assault, classified docs, and what’s in his daughters journal?Name calling, nice. Well done.
Nobody is celebrating. In fact, I said nothing will change and it's a "big nothingburger."
If that’s true then why isn’t Biden, Hunter, Myorkas, Garland, Pelosi, etc all impeached or in jail? Why? With the recent email leaks why isn’t Faucci on trial?I agree! Let’s not pretend that this isn’t the tactic of the GOP these days as well. These two parties are running master classes right now in manipulation and fear tactics. It’s been a heavy weight fight where each party sees the success of the other and responds with “hold my beer!”
Pretty sad what our politics have become. I still believe in our country though! It can survive this.
Convicted by jury of his peers (including two attorneys on the jury who had every opportunity to acquit if the charges were nefarious). The conviction was unanimous, even one juror could've hung the whole jury. (PS. Trump told you he didn't know the charges, he lied; he sat while the judge spent over an hour detailing them explicitly to the jury. It was also provided to the defense prior to the trial starting.)
It will NOT be overturned.
It was NOT a sham trial, Trump just knows his followers will believe him if he says it and that's who he's talking to. (see above)
He will NOT do a day in prison.
Nobody's mind will be changed by the verdict.
“The female stripper”…….
Might you be referring to the PORN STAR that Trump had an extra-marital affair with, I mean, banged after a round of golf? And then tried to silence just prior to the election with a hush money payoff that he classified as business expense?
We talking about the same woman and aftermath?
By the way, 12 of his peers each found him to be guilty after hearing both sides. Not a single one of them found reasonable doubt……it wasn’t a sham.
Is this the same porn star that also said it never happened? The same one that has changed her story, how many times? That one, or am I thinking of someone else?“The female stripper”…….
Might you be referring to the PORN STAR that Trump had an extra-marital affair with, I mean, banged after a round of golf? And then tried to silence just prior to the election with a hush money payoff that he classified as business expense?
We talking about the same woman and aftermath?
By the way, 12 of his peers each found him to be guilty after hearing both sides. Not a single one of them found reasonable doubt……it wasn’t a sham.
If that’s true then why isn’t Biden, Hunter, Myorkas, Garland, Pelosi, etc all impeached or in jail? Why? With the recent email leaks why isn’t Faucci on trial?
Our DOJ is a one way street!
Rest what case….DOJ only goes after R’s?I rest my case!
Fear is a powerful motivator. It’s the easiest emotion to manipulate as well. And they know it!
This is actually a topic I care greatly about!
I’d love to get the true and full scoop.
12-0. Not a single person that heard all the evidence had a reasonable doubt. He only needed 1 to avoid conviction….pretty high bar, even in a blue state.A R in Manhattan doesn't have peers, he has advisories
again....you are embarrassing yourself.....12-0. Not a single person that heard all the evidence had a reasonable doubt. He only needed 1 to avoid conviction….pretty high bar, even in a blue state.
Even in NY there are R’s and independents. You really think the entire jury was composed of ultra-liberal democrats? Actually, I’m sure you do.
Yeah, and how often are jury’s wrong, tampered with, pressured, etc?12-0. Not a single person that heard all the evidence had a reasonable doubt. He only needed 1 to avoid conviction….pretty high bar, even in a blue state.
Even in NY there are R’s and independents. You really think the entire jury was composed of ultra-liberal democrats? Actually, I’m sure you do.
Yup, that one. Why do you think Trump paid her $130,000?Is this the same porn star that also said it never happened? The same one that has changed her story, how many times? That one, or am I thinking of someone else?
....and hush money payments and NDA's are all legal....Yup, that one. Why do you think Trump paid her $130,000?
I know, Cohen paid her off to protect Trump bc he’s a good guy.
I rest my case!
Fear is a powerful motivator. It’s the easiest emotion to manipulate as well. And they know it!
Yeah, just ask Clinton.....and hush money payments and NDA's are all legal....
Maybe, but only one of the candidates will get us going in the right direction while the other is a brain dead idiot who can’t form a sentence and sh*ts his pants in front of world leaders.This Country Is F'ED Up Beyond A Repair & Neither One Of These JOKERS Are Gonna Fix It!
ask millions of people.....Yeah, just ask Clinton.
Not Everybody Gets A Little PUNANNY On The Side & Stays Married!
Nobody has answered this and it’s been asked multiple times…why didn’t the feds prosecute him? I’ll answer it because THEY said there wasn’t enough there to make a case!
Honestly, it won’t happen until the people in our govt, EVERYONE, is held accountable for their actions. Heads need to literally roll.When TF Is Somebody Gonna Step Up That's Capable Of Doing The Job?
HINT:
It Ain't A Gonna F'N Happen!
Anybody That Smart Would Say:
F'It!
I Ain't Stepping In To That F'N FIASCO!
I Won't Argue Flyjunky!
But When Are We Gonna Be Able To Vote Again Without Voting For Lesser Of Evils?
Who do you think was behind this? Why were Fat ass Fani and twinkies Bragg meeting with/at the Whitehouse? Were they just taking a tour, playing tourist?Wait a minute, I thought it was the DOJ that wanted him in jail?
Now I’m really confused….
(Not really)
Are you really ignorant of the fact that the #3 guy at the DOJ left his job to go prosecute this case for Alvin Bragg??Wait a minute, I thought it was the DOJ that wanted him in jail?
Now I’m really confused….
(Not really)
That starts with the people of this country coming together and saying enough is enough?
MSN never mentioned that so he didn’t know.Are you really ignorant of the fact that the #3 guy at the DOJ left his job to go prosecute this case for Alvin Bragg??
Ok, so who is the better choice out of what we have to choose from?I would absolutely LOOOOVE it if we the people took our country back from these two political parties.
I usually don’t enter these political topics because I think all partisans sound like total jackasses. (Because they do!)
I’m a pretty solid conservative thinker and I don’t even recognize my people anymore because the ultimate RINO brainwashed you all. It’s going to be wild when he comes out and admits he was a Democrat all along.
Favors abortion. Takes away more gun rights than any president since Clinton. Had record spending and bail outs until Biden said “hold my beer.” More executive orders in one term than anyone since Jimmy Carter.
Yeah, a real conservative, small government type of guy there, fellas! Wake up.
Let’s take our country back and get back to REAL conservatism, and watch things absolutely flourish in safe communities with less regulation. Or we can keep pointing fingers on the school grounds at kindergarten recess saying “my dad can beat up your dad, you dummy!”
I’ve admitted it multiple times that I don’t like Trump. I also wont be crying for Biden.Yeah, and how often are jury’s wrong, tampered with, pressured, etc?
Let me guess, you think OJ was innocent as well? No pressure on that jury?
let me ask you a question. If this was a jury of his peers, do you think the same outcome would have happened in Florida? Ohio? Wyoming? Texas?
Nobody has answered this and it’s been asked multiple times…why didn’t the feds prosecute him? I’ll answer it because THEY said there wasn’t enough there to make a case!
Just admit it, you have TDS and if this was Biden you’d be crying.
You are the guy that whoever made this quote was talking about......"Evil triumphs when good men do nothing"I would absolutely LOOOOVE it if we the people took our country back from these two political parties.
I usually don’t enter these political topics because I think all partisans sound like total jackasses. (Because they do!)
I’m a pretty solid conservative thinker and I don’t even recognize my people anymore because the ultimate RINO brainwashed you all. It’s going to be wild when he comes out and admits he was a Democrat all along.
Favors abortion. Takes away more gun rights than any president since Clinton. Had record spending and bail outs until Biden said “hold my beer.” More executive orders in one term than anyone since Jimmy Carter.
Yeah, a real conservative, small government type of guy there, fellas! Wake up.
Let’s take our country back and get back to REAL conservatism, and watch things absolutely flourish in safe communities with less regulation. Or we can keep pointing fingers on the school grounds at kindergarten recess saying “my dad can beat up your dad, you dummy!”
Trump should just plead mentally incompetent like Biden so he isn’t charged with anything. Obviously brain dead doesn’t disqualify someone from running.I’ve admitted it multiple times that I don’t like Trump. I also wont be crying for Biden.
Your OJ argument is backwards. OJ’s high dollar attorneys convinced the jury he didn’t do it because his blood soaked glove shrunk and didn’t fit. Trumps attorneys couldn’t offer anything that good to defend him.
The feds might not have seen a case at that time. I’m guessing more evidence was found. Obviously, there was a case.
I will say this is definitively the most petty of his cases. The two tierd justice system has been played enough to keep the real cases hidden from public view.
You are really too ignorant to argue with....FFS....I would absolutely LOOOOVE it if we the people took our country back from these two political parties.
I usually don’t enter these political topics because I think all partisans sound like total jackasses. (Because they do!)
I’m a pretty solid conservative thinker and I don’t even recognize my people anymore because the ultimate RINO brainwashed you all. It’s going to be wild when he comes out and admits he was a Democrat all along.
Favors abortion. Takes away more gun rights than any president since Clinton. Had record spending and bail outs until Biden said “hold my beer.” More executive orders in one term than anyone since Jimmy Carter.
Yeah, a real conservative, small government type of guy there, fellas! Wake up.
Let’s take our country back and get back to REAL conservatism, and watch things absolutely flourish in safe communities with less regulation. Or we can keep pointing fingers on the school grounds at kindergarten recess saying “my dad can beat up your dad, you dummy!”
You are the guy that whoever made this quote was talking about......"Evil triumphs when good men do nothing"
You are really too ignorant to argue with....FFS....
Vanilla research the fact judge Merchant allowed the prosecution to present evidence in their closing arguments.
Have you ever heard of a judge giving jurists instructions that they could be 4 jurists find guilty of some of the charges and 4 others jurists find guilty on other charges and 4 others find guilty on other charges that would mean guilty on all charges.
Just a couple things to look into.
This is the 6th amendment violation I was referring to above, flies directly in violation of Supreme Court decision in Rainbow va Louisiana.Vanilla research the fact judge Merchant allowed the prosecution to present evidence in their closing arguments.
Have you ever heard of a judge giving jurists instructions that they could be 4 jurists find guilty of some of the charges and 4 others jurists find guilty on other charges and 4 others find guilty on other charges that would mean guilty on all charges.
Just a couple things to look into.
This is the 6th amendment violation I was referring to above, flies directly in violation of Supreme Court decision in Rainbow va Louisiana.
I’ll go back but I thought that was the case. I’ll get back to you tomorrow.I searched that and no case comes up. You sure that is the name?