Its no big deal

yotebuster17 · Jul 6, 2023

hossblur said:
Far be it from me to agree with the troll.

But he's sorta correct.

1 jump, or supposed jump(you know the antis will make it up), to humans, and hunting is over. The Karen's with deer in their flower garden will lose their chit

That could be said for literally any disease that any animal we hunt gets. CWD is nothing special, probably better then others like EHD, avian flu, rabies etc because although it’s “always fatal” according to current science and Tri, it’s seems to only be a problem in 5-6+ year old bucks and as a collective most states game and fish agencies have done a fair job of making sure they don’t get that old. So again like I said earlier, it reminds me of the worm that fish get called “black spot” disease, it doesn’t affect the fish, doesn’t hurt the humans that eat it, so it really isn’t of concern. My home state of ND found CWD here about 20 years ago. After millions of dollars in testing. Ridiculously restrictive rules that won’t let me take a gutted deer from one piece of property I own to another to butcher it, here we sit with out ONE SINGLE DEER EVER FOUND THAT HAS DIED FROM IT IN 20 YEARS!!! If someone told you this whole story from the outside looking in you’d think you were being punked. It’s completely irrational and completely ridiculous.

Tristate · Jul 7, 2023

"That could be said for literally any disease that any animal we hunt gets. CWD is nothing special, probably better then others like EHD, avian flu, rabies etc because although it’s “always fatal”"

All of them are not prion diseases. If you want to compare apples to apples go look at mad cow disease and what happened after that jumped to humans, which they didn't believe to be possible. And that is an industry with heavy federal regulation already.

" according to current science and Tri, it’s seems to only be a problem in 5-6+ year old bucks"

This is absolute horse crap.

"and as a collective most states game and fish agencies have done a fair job of making sure they don’t get that old."

Agreed. So lets just make sure the herds get screwed up even more???????

" My home state of ND found CWD here about 20 years ago. After millions of dollars in testing. Ridiculously restrictive rules that won’t let me take a gutted deer from one piece of property I own to another to butcher it, here we sit with out ONE SINGLE DEER EVER FOUND THAT HAS DIED FROM IT IN 20 YEARS!!! If someone told you this whole story from the outside looking in you’d think you were being punked. It’s completely irrational and completely ridiculous."

YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND A DEAD DEER WITHIN A 48 HOUR WINDOW TO KNOW A PRION DISEASE IS KILLING DEER. PRION DISEASES ARE %100 FATAL AND WE KNOW DEER ARE CONTRACTING IT.

I also find it amazing people who can complain about all the things their wildlife department do to monitor and contain a disease and then say its not working because they aren't seeing the disease mortality. WOULD YOU SAY ITS WORKING IF ALL THE DEER DIED AND YOU DIDN'T SEE THEM ANYMORE? Use logic.

JB1975 · Jul 7, 2023

Tristate said:
"That could be said for literally any disease that any animal we hunt gets. CWD is nothing special, probably better then others like EHD, avian flu, rabies etc because although it’s “always fatal”"

All of them are not prion diseases. If you want to compare apples to apples go look at mad cow disease and what happened after that jumped to humans, which they didn't believe to be possible. And that is an industry with heavy federal regulation already.

" according to current science and Tri, it’s seems to only be a problem in 5-6+ year old bucks"

This is absolute horse crap.

"and as a collective most states game and fish agencies have done a fair job of making sure they don’t get that old."

Agreed. So lets just make sure the herds get screwed up even more???????

" My home state of ND found CWD here about 20 years ago. After millions of dollars in testing. Ridiculously restrictive rules that won’t let me take a gutted deer from one piece of property I own to another to butcher it, here we sit with out ONE SINGLE DEER EVER FOUND THAT HAS DIED FROM IT IN 20 YEARS!!! If someone told you this whole story from the outside looking in you’d think you were being punked. It’s completely irrational and completely ridiculous."

YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND A DEAD DEER WITHIN A 48 HOUR WINDOW TO KNOW A PRION DISEASE IS KILLING DEER. PRION DISEASES ARE %100 FATAL AND WE KNOW DEER ARE CONTRACTING IT.

I also find it amazing people who can complain about all the things their wildlife department do to monitor and contain a disease and then say its not working because they aren't seeing the disease mortality. WOULD YOU SAY ITS WORKING IF ALL THE DEER DIED AND YOU DIDN'T SEE THEM ANYMORE? Use logic.

Do the CAPS make you feel better?

Rie bread · Jul 7, 2023

If all the deer die then CWD will disappear. Victory

Tikka · Jul 8, 2023

mtmuley said:
Nobody does that. Almost every hunter with a deer tag in Montana will try to fill it with a muley buck. NR or resident the same. Then the excuses after hammering a piss head deer. I don't need to list them. mtmuley

I’ll come up and shoot all your whitetail bucks?

jm77 · Jul 8, 2023

Average age of mule deer bucks in central Wyoming is 3 years old according to G&F. It's hard to say how many deer have CWD because most CWD tests are done on hunter killed male deer. A higher percent of positive CWD deer are killed by hunters, predators and vehicles. The truth is very few CWD deer die of CWD. We are told CWD resistant deer are living 4 or 5 years before effects of the disease overcome them.

On my property in the late 90's and early 2000's we actually saw deer dying of CWD. There was no management action taken. Since 2008 there hasn't been a single sighting of a wasting deer or a single positive test from either a mule or whitetail deer, hunter killed(4-7 year old bucks) or otherwise. Deer population has remained constant. This is a testament that there is no reason to reduce mature buck deer populations, but G&F still wants to based on no research or prevalence rates to justify it. Truth is research being done right now on high fence deer farms will most likely unlock the answers we all want, while the red shirts keep playing games with wildlife in Wyoming.

Side note: G&F doesn't care a whip about CWD in elk. No CWD management is proposed for elk, but we find at least one CWD elk on or around my place every year. This picture was taken on my property and is most likely a wasting bull.

No one right now, including the troll in all his righteous indignation, knows the answers we need to properly manage this disease. No amount of "playing God" research is going to cure CWD, in fact it may do more harm than good. Not until we have more answers about actual prevalence rates, genetics and cwd resistant animals, can we begin to turn a corner.

Tristate · Jul 8, 2023

" Truth is research being done right now on high fence deer farms will most likely unlock the answers we all want, while the red shirts keep playing games with wildlife in Wyoming."

Incorrect. Most of the best CWD research is being done through universities working in cooperation with pharmaceutical companies. The deer breeders are still too busy and interested in paying lawyers than paying scientists.

"No one right now, including the troll in all his righteous indignation, knows the answers we need to properly manage this disease. No amount of "playing God" research is going to cure CWD, in fact it may do more harm than good. Not until we have more answers about actual prevalence rates, genetics and cwd resistant animals, can we begin to turn a corner."

You might want to go read my posts because you are pretty much agreeing with what I said.

What people are failing to understand is the measures being taken by these fish and game departments is about slowing down the spread and managing infection rates. They aren't selling them as a cure. AND YES SOME OF THESE MEASURES WILL FAIL. But some of these measures will help accomplish their goals. By slowing down the spread and rates of infection they are trying to buy time for science to catch up with solid solutions to beat the disease.

mtmuley · Jul 8, 2023

Tikka said:
I’ll come up and shoot all your whitetail bucks?

I normally kill a whitetail every year. If I don't draw the permit I want. Not interested in piss head mule deer. But, I'm a resident and don't have to kill one just to justify the cost of the tag and trip. mtmuley

jm77 · Jul 8, 2023

Tristate said:
What people are failing to understand is the measures being taken by these fish and game departments is about slowing down the spread and managing infection rates. They aren't selling them as a cure. AND YES SOME OF THESE MEASURES WILL FAIL. But some of these measures will help accomplish their goals. By slowing down the spread and rates of infection they are trying to buy time for science to catch up with solid solutions to beat the disease.

Then explain to all of us why they are proposing these "measures" exclusively in areas that have had CWD for literally decades and not in areas of western Wyoming, where the disease is just being found? Regions H&G come to mind.

Tristate · Jul 8, 2023

jm77 said:
Then explain to all of us why they are proposing these "measures" exclusively in areas that have had CWD for literally decades and not in areas of western Wyoming, where the disease is just being found? Regions H&G come to mind.

It could have something to do with migration of both mule deer and migration of animals which prey on muledeer.

BuzzH · Jul 8, 2023

jm77 said:
Then explain to all of us why they are proposing these "measures" exclusively in areas that have had CWD for literally decades and not in areas of western Wyoming, where the disease is just being found? Regions H&G come to mind.

Don't expect any answers from trollstate.

Tristate · Jul 8, 2023

BuzzH said:
Don't expect any answers from trollstate.

Why should he expect answers for questions for officials in Wyoming? At best all he can receive is speculation.

Do you understand logic BuzzH?

wstrntines · Jul 8, 2023

Tristate said:
So we are supposed to never talk to biologists now??????

"Me hunt. Science bad. Ugh."

No just don’t take everything they tell you as gospel. And look who’s funding the research.

Tristate · Jul 8, 2023

wstrntines said:
No just don’t take everything they tell you as gospel. And look who’s funding the research.

I don't take any of it as gospel because it isn't. But at some point you have to act on the best science you have. To do nothing is irresponsible.

jm77 · Jul 8, 2023

Tristate said:
It could have something to do with migration of both mule deer and migration of animals which prey on muledeer.

The dumbest answer on this thread. Give that troll a cupidoll!!

BuzzH · Jul 8, 2023

Tristate said:
Why should he expect answers for questions for officials in Wyoming? At best all he can receive is speculation.

Do you understand logic BuzzH?

Right, I should have you asked you a question about poaching, something you're an expert in.