WHEN THEY TAKE OUR SmokePole SCOPES THIS IS WHAT DRATS WILL RESORT TO!!!

elkassassin · Mar 10, 2023

Check This Cute Lil F'R Out!

Magnus Muzzleloader Rifle System

EXTEND YOUR SEASON & YOUR RANGE

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Slick8 · Mar 10, 2023

Had to know that was coming. In the right hands it will shoot farther than many can shoot a scoped center fire rifle.

Not saying I'm running out to get one but the capabilities are there. You'll still lose precious early and late shooting time where a good scope earns its keep.

Bluehair · Mar 10, 2023

So, what’s the bolt for on a muzzleloader? Or is that just an expensive breach plug?

Slick8 · Mar 10, 2023

They're built on a 700 clone action and many of the LR ML's use magnum rifle primer vs a 209 shot gun primer.

Sallaberry · Mar 10, 2023

I work for a guy he’s had one of those for a couple years. It’s a tack driver he shoots like 93 grains of bh with a 250 grain bullet. He only killed one deer with it in Utah because it’s worthless in most western states.

bucks · Mar 10, 2023

so what is the deal with the muzzy and scopes.
This has been talked about for over year now,Are the scopes going to be illegal in 2024 and if so just Utah??

Slick8 · Mar 10, 2023

They're gone in NM as well.

Silentstalker · Mar 10, 2023

This is a prime example of why limiting scopes is a terrible way to regulate muzzleloaders.

A much more effective way would be to eliminate rifle primers, rifle powders, and ignition systems like the fire stick.

Airborne · Mar 10, 2023

Just because this muzzy looks badass doesn't mean it has the same killing range as a cheap CVA scoped muzzy. I could kill better in low light with the CVA and at further distances than this one.

I have a lot of practical experience with peep sights from my time in service, they are cool but it still depends on your eyes. A good scope trumps them in nearly every aspect for big game hunting.

The dumb thing about this rifle is you can do this exact same thing to most any muzzy with with an EAB peep rail for $60 and a Williams globe front sight for another $60. I'll see if I can find a picture of mine to post but my globe front sight has tick marks from 100 out to 400 yards

elkassassin · Mar 10, 2023

Maybe They Can Form A Committee To Ban Them Damn PEEP Sights?

yotebuster17 · Mar 11, 2023

Airborne said:
Just because this muzzy looks badass doesn't mean it has the same killing range as a cheap CVA scoped muzzy. I could kill better in low light with the CVA and at further distances than this one.

I have a lot of practical experience with peep sights from my time in service, they are cool but it still depends on your eyes. A good scope trumps them in nearly every aspect for big game hunting.

The dumb thing about this rifle is you can do this exact same thing to most any muzzy with with an EAB peep rail for $60 and a Williams globe front sight for another $60. I'll see if I can find a picture of mine to post but my globe front sight has tick marks from 100 out to 400 yards

I’ve got a similar set up on mine. Before my NV muzzy deer tag I actually used an old 3d target to practice on. It was easy to shoot orange dots with it all day out to 350. What Infound was most important was the lighting. When I practiced in the am with nice light at my back I had a GREAT sight picture and was very good to 350 on it. When I shot in the evening with the sunsetting behind it, it was a struggle to get a clear sight picture past 150-200. My rifle is 3” high at 100 and dead on at 250. Hold the crosshairs on their back to 350. Mine isn’t adjustable though and I’ll likely upgrade.

slamdunk · Mar 12, 2023

This type of sighting system has been discussed by the Tech Committee.
Yes this thing is $10k and out budget for 90+ percent of hunters, but in 10 years every company will have a cheap knock off and they will be everywhere, just like inlines are now from their introduction.

As to answer the question above, the muzzleloader restrictions have been tabled till April.
I personally am pushing for at least a 4x for a legal muzzleloader description, whereas "Restricted" muzzleloader hunts will not have any scope whatsoever.
That is where the committees recommendations are currently at, no changes for 2023.

slamdunk · Mar 12, 2023

Silentstalker said:
This is a prime example of why limiting scopes is a terrible way to regulate muzzleloaders.

A much more effective way would be to eliminate rifle primers, rifle powders, and ignition systems like the fire stick.

This was heavily discussed and the conclusion was all these components are being developed because of the scopes ability to make these things useful.
Remove the scope and you don't need long range capability in components.

nvmuley · Mar 12, 2023

All weapon types have undergone tremendous improvements that have extended their effective hunting ranges. Why this push to pick on one weapon? Compare today's compound bow's with their sights and releases, to Fred Bear's bare recurves. Compare today's 1,000 yard rifle/scope set/ups to a stock Remington with a 4x scope that our Fathers used. Restrict one restrict all.

slamdunk · Mar 13, 2023

nvmuley said:
All weapon types have undergone tremendous improvements that have extended their effective hunting ranges. Why this push to pick on one weapon? Compare today's compound bow's with their sights and releases, to Fred Bear's bare recurves. Compare today's 1,000 yard rifle/scope set/ups to a stock Remington with a 4x scope that our Fathers used. Restrict one restrict all.

All weapon types have been heavily discussed by the committee numerous times over the past 6 months and all three are having restrictions suggested to the Wildlife Board.

The reason all we continue to hear so much controversy about muzzleloader scopes points to how valuable they are to users.

Bluehair · Mar 13, 2023

Slick8 said:
They're built on a 700 clone action and many of the LR ML's use magnum rifle primer vs a 209 shot gun primer.

Yep, I see that. But is it still loaded from the muzzle?

slamdunk · Mar 13, 2023

Bluehair said:
Yep, I see that. But is it still loaded from the muzzle?

It better be, otherwise it's useless in Utah under the current muzzleloader definition to be legal on the MZ hunt.

HntHrdr · Mar 13, 2023

To preface this is shoot an in-line muzzy, this thing is kind of silly. Can’t imagine spending that coin on a smoke pole. But if states wanted a “traditional season, you just need to specify a few things, loose powder, sidelocks only, wooden stocks only, and you have to wear buckskins and a coon skin cap or a loin cloth and a feather on your head for the duration of the season haha that way you can dress up or down depending on the time of year… or just get rid of muzzys and let the felons use them during rifle season

tracker12 · Mar 20, 2023

yotebuster17 said:
I’ve got a similar set up on mine. Before my NV muzzy deer tag I actually used an old 3d target to practice on. It was easy to shoot orange dots with it all day out to 350. What Infound was most important was the lighting. When I practiced in the am with nice light at my back I had a GREAT sight picture and was very good to 350 on it. When I shot in the evening with the sunsetting behind it, it was a struggle to get a clear sight picture past 150-200. My rifle is 3” high at 100 and dead on at 250. Hold the crosshairs on their back to 350. Mine isn’t adjustable though and I’ll likely upgrade.
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What rear sight is that EAB?