Time to Help Wyoming Residents!

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Over the past couple of weeks, I have been just sick about the plight of the Wyoming Resident! Talk about someone who has just been taken advantage of over the last 50 years!

They can't draw a Once in a Lifetime tag because of all of the non-residents putting in for 20 years and building up thousands of dollars worth of bonus points are taking too many of "Their" tags.

They can't pickup a brown antler shed before one of those pesky non-residents jumps out of there truck and runs long leggedly to scoop them up and sell them for $60,000 (probably using that money to buy more bonus points!?)

I am so glad that Wyoming is well into the process of Protecting Wyomians rights to shed hunt and get first dibs by extending them a 3-day shed hunting head start. I know that sounds like an insult to have to give someone a headstart... but they do need a lift up and not a put down.

I am so glad that the legislature in Wyoming is jumping in and protecting "Their" rights. Thank goodness for legal activists! I am sure that will never be used against them or us, I guess really just them. Definitely we need more laws on the books.

At this point I think it might be a good idea to give them a week head start on all hunts just so that they aren't taken advantage of by those darn long range shooting non-residents and that we don't encroach on their rights as "Wyoming Residents"!

This post has been therapeutic in nature. Reaffirming that Wyoming residents will make it through this tough plight. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger my Wyoming "Friends". May you all draw a moose tag this year and pick up a 90" brownie!

CS
 
Are you thinking we should send cash in envelopes?

Buying PPs didn't work as the WY legislature is a absconding with that money.

WY already typically has the highest % of employees working on the Federal tit. But should we send more via that method?

I want to help more, but just not sure how.
 
I always thought Wyoming residents were pretty tough, but the amount of whining and welfare in that state (add the total BS wilderness law to everything shared above), and I am really questioning both the physical and mental toughness of the Wyomingites :ROFLMAO:

Hope you guys in Wyoming find a way through all of your trials!!
 
States rights are worth preserving………

I may not agree with what Wyoming residents and their Legislature choose to do but I 100% support their right to do it.

Calif, Oregon, Washington, Colorado as well.

I expect the same respect and understanding from those States, when it comes to my State.

There is no border patrol keeping you from relocating to Wyoming.
 
Crampy said:
Are you thinking we should send cash in envelopes?

Buying PPs didn't work as the WY legislature is a absconding with that money.

WY already typically has the highest % of employees working on the Federal tit. But should we send more via that method?

I want to help more, but just not sure how.
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Maybe not cash in envelopes, but maybe they could raise the price of tags a little bit more…. Ha, looks like they are well into that process as well. ?
 
They remind me of Paris Hilton, crying about how hard their life is, and having no idea what’s on the other side of the fence.

Aside from the miserable winter, they’re very blessed as outdoors fanatics.
 
2lumpy said:
States rights are worth preserving………

I may not agree with what Wyoming residents and their Legislature choose to do but I 100% support their right to do it.

Calif, Oregon, Washington, Colorado as well.

I expect the same respect and understanding from those States, when it comes to my State.

There is no border patrol keeping you from relocating to Wyomin
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100% agree with states rights! I’m just glad they are getting the help they need. Too bad they can’t pass a law that says, no one should be able to make fun of their protective laws. ??
 
Maybe at the show this week, we can stop by any Wyoming Resident Vendor booths and see how they are doing…. Check in on them so to speak. See how these laws are making them “feel”?
 
Don’t you think at some point the Feds will see the $$$ to be realized by taking over the management of fish and game in all federally managed lands (NF, BLM, etc) and the issuance of all licenses for those properties? Just asking.
 
OldMan2 said:
Don’t you think at some point the Feds will see the $$$ to be realized by taking over the management of fish and game in all federally managed lands (NF, BLM, etc) and the issuance of all licenses for those properties? Just asking.
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Absolutely! s Elections have consequences!
 
OldMan2 said:
Don’t you think at some point the Feds will see the $$$ to be realized by taking over the management of fish and game in all federally managed lands (NF, BLM, etc) and the issuance of all licenses for those properties? Just asking.
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Let me repeat myself.

States rights are worth preserving………

Make sense?
 
Southpawshooter said:
I enjoy a good sarcastic post. Since I am a WY resident, I would appreciate it if you pm me a rough draft of your sarcastic thoughts three days before publicly posting it though. That way, I can see it in advance like the sheds I will be picking up. ?
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I’m going to need that to be law before I comply. I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually happens at this point. ?
 
DoubleDropMuley said:
I don’t think residents are crying at all, it’s the nonres that f’d up there states now flock here and then come up with these great ideas that Wyoming needs to change , Only change I would be 100 percent ok with is outlaw nonres hunting all together!! ??
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You don’t think residents are crying at all??? Then why all of the new laws? Lot of effort if everything was/is hunky dory.
 
El Gringo said:
They remind me of Paris Hilton, crying about how hard their life is, and having no idea what’s on the other side of the fence.

Aside from the miserable winter, they’re very blessed as outdoors fanatics.
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Wyoming complaining to Utah

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cowslayer said:
You don’t think residents are crying at all??? Then why all of the new laws? Lot of effort if everything was/is hunky dory.
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Either way I don’t care either way but if it benefits residents not gonna complain , what gets me the most is how nonres , not all but the ones that do complain on Wyoming and think we need changed like all LQ or at least in G and H for residents, we are doing just fine thanks !! And I’m betting there is a few on here that I know are tired of the nonres babbling on how Wyoming should do things!!! And I’m sure if nonres keep it up there’s some that will push for the 90/10 DEA , I’d be fine with that ,
 
DoubleDropMuley said:
Either way I don’t care either way but if it benefits residents not gonna complain , what gets me the most is how nonres , not all but the ones that do complain on Wyoming and think we need changed like all LQ or at least in G and H for residents, we are doing just fine thanks !! And I’m betting there is a few on here that I know are tired of the nonres babbling on how Wyoming should do things!!! And I’m sure if nonres keep it up there’s some that will push for the 90/10 DEA , I’d be fine with that ,
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I was thinking 90/5/5. It's time to make that deal. wouldn't you say @BuzzH ?
 
cowslayer said:
Proud Utahn and supporter of Wyoming wildlife for well over 20 years through tag fees and point $. Sitting with 20 moose points. Might have to move up to Wyoming for a few years just to burn them ?.
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So, while a resident of Utah, you had 90% or more of the available tags for the past 20 years.

Plus you got 16% of our elk tags, 25% of our sheep tags, 20% of our moose tags, 20% of deer and pronghorn.

Plus able to apply for all the leftover tags.

Because 90-10 and a few other things are pulling in line for the Residents of Wyoming, you're saying we're out of line?

Well, I'll be the first to say, go pound sand and find another shoulder to cry on.

I'm thinking the same as @jm77...time to make a deal with the outfitters for deer, elk and pronghorn and you can either hire a guide or compete with the rest of the NR whiners for the 5% that you'll have for DIY.
 
This^^^

While the most of my hunting is in the rearview, and Wyoming was unbelievably good to me, my kids and grandkids won't have near the opportunity I did. I really believe in these times of ever increasing draw odds and shrinking game herds, it's about time Wyoming treat us, like most every other state treats their residents.

I think if outfitters are to get a 5% set-aside, it should not include nonresident outfitters to assure that money stays here in Wyoming.
 
BuzzH said:
So, while a resident of Utah, you had 90% or more of the available tags for the past 20 years.

Plus you got 16% of our elk tags, 25% of our sheep tags, 20% of our moose tags, 20% of deer and pronghorn.

Plus able to apply for all the leftover tags.

Because 90-10 and a few other things are pulling in line for the Residents of Wyoming, you're saying we're out of line?

Well, I'll be the first to say, go pound sand and find another shoulder to cry on.

I'm thinking the same as @jm77...time to make a deal with the outfitters for deer, elk and pronghorn and you can either hire a guide or compete with the rest of the NR whiners for the 5% that you'll have for DIY.
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Say what you will about Utah's tag allocation. At least they didn't pull the old Bait and Switcharoo on those putting in for the tags with the assumption that those points may be worth something one day. Like you mentioned 10% has been Utah's allocation for many years. I think there may be a real legal opportunity for a Class Action, Bait and Switch, Lawsuit based on the promotion of a certain tag % going to NR consumers to get them to buy "valuable" points that will "improve" their odds of drawing and then just yank the carpet out from underneath those NR buy cutting % of OIL tags. Maybe Wyoming should offer a refund for Points earned under the assumption that those points would be worth something. Or maybe there are a few lawyers in here that would like to get a Class Action Lawsuit going...

bait and switch​

noun​


Synonyms of bait and switch
1
: a sales tactic in which a customer is attracted by the advertisement of buying preference points with the idea that those points will be worth something to help improve odds of drawing but is then punched in the gut, when seller cuts the tags to such a degree, 10%, that there are no tags allocated to non-residents or such a lower amount of Non-Resident tags that your points are now rendered worthless.
2
: the ploy of offering a person something desirable to gain favor then thwarting expectations with something less desirable
 
cowslayer said:
Say what you will about Utah's tag allocation. At least they didn't pull the old Bait and Switcharoo on those putting in for the tags with the assumption that those points may be worth something one day. Like you mentioned 10% has been Utah's allocation for many years. I think there may be a real legal opportunity for a Class Action, Bait and Switch, Lawsuit based on the promotion of a certain tag % going to NR consumers to get them to buy "valuable" points that will "improve" their odds of drawing and then just yank the carpet out from underneath those NR buy cutting % of OIL tags. Maybe Wyoming should offer a refund for Points earned under the assumption that those points would be worth something. Or maybe there are a few lawyers in here that would like to get a Class Action Lawsuit going...

bait and switch​

noun​


Synonyms of bait and switch
1
: a sales tactic in which a customer is attracted by the advertisement of buying preference points with the idea that those points will be worth something to help improve odds of drawing but is then punched in the gut, when seller cuts the tags to such a degree, 10%, that there are no tags allocated to non-residents or such a lower amount of Non-Resident tags that your points are now rendered worthless.
2
: the ploy of offering a person something desirable to gain favor then thwarting expectations with something less desirable
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Get after it...while you file your lawsuit, we'll be working on improving things for residents, like 90-5-5.

Times change, right along with tag allocations you weren't guaranteed anything.

For the record, my 23 deer and sheep points, whatever max is when they started allowing you to buy points for everything else (15ish I think) and max general deer tag points in Utah aren't worth jack chit...

Maybe I need a refund...and maybe you should stop being so greedy and fight for us poor NR's of Utah...give us 20% like you get in Wyoming.

Sick and tired of the one-way street.
 
jm77 said:
If we get more winters like this one, you'll need more than the jacket. 2000 gram boots, extra insulated waterproof gloves and a fur hat!
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No kidding...haven't worn my favorite spotted seal skin bomber hat this much since musk ox hunting in AK. Pretty sure I'm the only guy on my block that has a hat like this. Bought it from an Inupiaq lady in Shishmaref. Crossing part of the Chukchi Sea in February is no joke...kind of like the winter we're having in WY this year.

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BuzzH said:
No kidding...haven't worn my favorite spotted seal skin bomber hat this much since musk ox hunting in AK. Pretty sure I'm the only guy on my block that has a hat like this. Bought it from an Inupiaq lady in Shishmaref. Crossing part of the Chukchi Sea in February is no joke...kind of like the winter we're having in WY this year.

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I thought you boys in Wyoming didn't wear gloves or hats, no matter the temperature :ROFLMAO:
 
BuzzH said:
When you move to Wyoming...I'll take you out for a day of ice fishing when the winds out of the North.
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As a kid, I went whitetail hunting north of Sundance one year when it was negative XX degrees and the winds were nuts. We got a small buck, eviscerated and walked back to truck. I swear, we weren't gone an hour and that buck was frozen stiff. Got pics of him leaning against a ponderosa looking like a dog peeing on a tree.
 
HikeHunt61 said:
As a kid, I went whitetail hunting north of Sundance one year when it was negative XX degrees and the winds were nuts. We got a small buck, eviscerated and walked back to truck. I swear, we weren't gone an hour and that buck was frozen stiff. Got pics of him leaning against a ponderosa looking like a dog peeing on a tree.
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Seen it...

Killed this buck while tracking a raghorn bull, jumped him out of his bed and killed him at 30 yards. Blood was already freezing on the hide in the time it took to get my camera out:

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Same buck on the right and one my Dad shot the same day, was -21 with no wind.

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I hope it stays the way it is. Only had one deer tag ( 102 ) awesome place and experience and one pronghorn tag with friends. Had a great time. I want keep going reasonably every 6-8 years for good hunts. We all had the big three rug pulled out after thousands of dollars wasted on points for most people that were in it for awhile. Go easy on us NR for a bit.

What about 85-15 for pronghorn deer and 89-11 for elk. Give up 5 percent and see how that goes. Hike the prices some to make up the difference as has been proposed, no one is hunting out of state to put meat in freezer. But no outfitter welfare please.
 
Crampy said:
He will sell his DEP points for point averaging the year before moving to WY.

I thought everyone had that figured out by now.
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Point creep will make them pretty worthless ... ?

In particular when its 90-5-5...
 
D/E/A threads are weird. Didn't realize NRs cared that much, if you want to hunt Wyoming just get cow or doe tags. Also weird that Residents act like they dont get to hunt D/E/A every year.
 
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The video is a pic collage with a little video my son put together on his Instagram 4 or 5 years ago. He just uploaded it straight to IG. But here is a pic. Now let me focus on whining.
 
What I find kind of ironic is that General G is better than all but 4 other deer units in Wyoming according to many. Just seems like you might prefer that tag over many of the other units that you are fighting for permits in. Same goes for elk. Might want to keep the non-res paying for the high price bad unit tags somehow to pay the bills and just hunt general if you don't draw the top tags. Could make the top tags 90/10 like Colorado does 80/20 so you can have your cake and non-res money.
 
BuzzH said:
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Maybe I need a refund...and maybe you should stop being so greedy and fight for us poor NR's of Utah...give us 20% like you get in Wyoming.

Sick and tired of the one-way street.
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Props to Utah for being clear from the beginning that 90/10 and mixed random/pp was their rule. Unlike WY, UT didn't spend 28 years collecting millions from NRs selling "preference" and then materially change the bargain with 10% NR allocation and BP-squared.

And then try to keep all the money collected as a windfall.
 
cowslayer said:
This post has been therapeutic in nature. Reaffirming that Wyoming residents will make it through this tough plight. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger my Wyoming "Friends". May you all draw a moose tag this year and pick up a 90" brownie!

CS
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Can you wish a sheep tag for me instead of a moose tag this year? Maybe with those 3 extra resident sheep tags we'll gain with the 90/10 split I'll draw It with 28 points instead of 29 because the point creep will slow down so much in 10 years ???
 
I’m on vacation and the price of a coffee is 40% more than I pay back home. They are pricing out the common man from coffee! This upsets me so much! I’ve got online to cry about it! I don’t care about supply and demand! And the lack of coffee beans! I find this price outrageous!
 
cowslayer said:
Say what you will about Utah's tag allocation. At least they didn't pull the old Bait and Switcharoo on those putting in for the tags with the assumption that those points may be worth something one day. Like you mentioned 10% has been Utah's allocation for many years. I think there may be a real legal opportunity for a Class Action, Bait and Switch, Lawsuit based on the promotion of a certain tag % going to NR consumers to get them to buy "valuable" points that will "improve" their odds of drawing and then just yank the carpet out from underneath those NR buy cutting % of OIL tags. Maybe Wyoming should offer a refund for Points earned under the assumption that those points would be worth something. Or maybe there are a few lawyers in here that would like to get a Class Action Lawsuit going...

bait and switch​

noun​


Synonyms of bait and switch
1
: a sales tactic in which a customer is attracted by the advertisement of buying preference points with the idea that those points will be worth something to help improve odds of drawing but is then punched in the gut, when seller cuts the tags to such a degree, 10%, that there are no tags allocated to non-residents or such a lower amount of Non-Resident tags that your points are now rendered worthless.
2
: the ploy of offering a person something desirable to gain favor then thwarting expectations with something less desirable
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Now that's well done. :)
 
BuzzH said:
Get after it...while you file your lawsuit, we'll be working on improving things for residents, like 90-5-5.

Times change, right along with tag allocations you weren't guaranteed anything.

For the record, my 23 deer and sheep points, whatever max is when they started allowing you to buy points for everything else (15ish I think) and max general deer tag points in Utah aren't worth jack chit...

Maybe I need a refund...and maybe you should stop being so greedy and fight for us poor NR's of Utah...give us 20% like you get in Wyoming.

Sick and tired of the one-way street.
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I’m an Utah resident. I support what buzz and other residents are doing. Yea I don’t agree for set asides for outfitters. They deserve 90/10 period.
To all you selfish ass non residents whining and trying to make residents look bad.
Is making all the other non residents that don’t whine and cry look bad.
So shut the Hell up!
Buzz. Jm77 mule creek. They have worked there ass off fighting to get bills passed or not passed. That benefit only non residents.
All the whiners need to move to WY and fight for what they want . Just like buzz and other residents are doing.
Yes I have 4 kids and myself putting in in Wyoming for over 20 years .
Residents deserve to have 90/10. Just like most states. Quit whining or it will be 90/5/5 or worse!
Buzz , jm77 mule creek. Thanks for what you do! Not all of us are bad.
 
Just curious if any resident has actually had a bad experience with a non resident intervening or ruining their hunt?
 
archeryjh said:
Just curious if any resident has actually had a bad experience with a non resident intervening or ruining their hunt?
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LOL. Pretty sure I can see the answer coming:

Resident: "Indeed. A NR got a permit in unit XX that I would have gotten if not for 84-16! Talk about ruining my hunt!"
 
archeryjh said:
Just curious if any resident has actually had a bad experience with a non resident intervening or ruining their hunt?
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Yep , had some guys from back East crash through some blowdown as we were working a bull . We just quietly walked out and they did not see us.
Left a note on their atv that we were hunting that area but they just kept going in so we moved, no biggies really except found out they wounded a bull and didn't find it and ended up with a spike.
A little common courtesy goes a long way.

We didn't go into an area one year because we came across some local guys that had just come out of it. They were appreciative that we backed out and later came by camp and offered us info on where elk were using that area after one had taken a spike.
They were surprised we had backed out actually.

Had some guys from Idaho in 2021 decided they had to walk out right down the middle of a meadow we were watching for moose, their pickup guy had to park along the road and sit in his truck waiting for them listening to music or talking on his phone. It was the easier pick up spot he said, they could not climb the little rise to other spots along the road I guess.
He did tell us they got into elk, heard it on his radio, so we shared that info with a local guy we had met.
He was quite appreciative.

Had lots of experiences with residents both good and bad, same with NRs.
 
wytex said:
Yep , had some guys from back East crash through some blowdown as we were working a bull . We just quietly walked out and they did not see us.
Left a note on their atv that we were hunting that area but they just kept going in so we moved, no biggies really except found out they wounded a bull and didn't find it and ended up with a spike.
A little common courtesy goes a long way.

We didn't go into an area one year because we came across some local guys that had just come out of it. They were appreciative that we backed out and later came by camp and offered us info on where elk were using that area after one had taken a spike.
They were surprised we had backed out actually.

Had some guys from Idaho in 2021 decided they had to walk out right down the middle of a meadow we were watching for moose, their pickup guy had to park along the road and sit in his truck waiting for them listening to music or talking on his phone. It was the easier pick up spot he said, they could not climb the little rise to other spots along the road I guess.
He did tell us they got into elk, heard it on his radio, so we shared that info with a local guy we had met.
He was quite appreciative.

Had lots of experiences with residents both good and bad, same with NRs.
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Thanks for sharing. I think situations like this happen alot with fellow residents as well.
 
Had a Wy resident blow right up a two track road while we were set up on a nice antelope. Just picked up our stuff and moved on and found a nicer buck. **** happens both ways
 
I love Wyoming. I always have. I enjoy hunting and shed hunting up there. It appears to me that WY is tired of sharing resources with others. That's pretty hard news to chew on, but I get it. Unfortunately, I can't afford those new license fees and I certainly don't want to go shed hunt 3 days after all of Wyoming has hammered the sage. So if the intent is to keep everyone out and away from Wyoming, it's definitely working. Think I'm done with that amazing state. I love it, but it doesn't love me back :)
 
Ticks N Tines said:
I love Wyoming. I always have. I enjoy hunting and shed hunting up there. It appears to me that WY is tired of sharing resources with others. That's pretty hard news to chew on, but I get it. Unfortunately, I can't afford those new license fees and I certainly don't want to go shed hunt 3 days after all of Wyoming has hammered the sage. So if the intent is to keep everyone out and away from Wyoming, it's definitely working. Think I'm done with that amazing state. I love it, but it doesn't love me back :)
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Apparently many other states don't love you either.

That's ok, because plenty of NR will get love this year and beyond. You just have to decide who loves the most I guess.
 
Ticks N Tines said:
I love Wyoming. I always have. I enjoy hunting and shed hunting up there. It appears to me that WY is tired of sharing resources with others. That's pretty hard news to chew on, but I get it. Unfortunately, I can't afford those new license fees and I certainly don't want to go shed hunt 3 days after all of Wyoming has hammered the sage. So if the intent is to keep everyone out and away from Wyoming, it's definitely working. Think I'm done with that amazing state. I love it, but it doesn't love me back :)
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Reduced price cow/calf. Get it!
 
I figure there's going to be about 90% less shed hunters for 3 days when this regulation takes effect. Since most of us residents are apparently uneducated slobs incapable of finding sheds, there should be plenty left. We NEED the head start!! Oh, and btw, contrary to popular belief, there are plenty of Wyomingites that DON'T hate nr. I have plenty of nr friends and family. We love you man!!
Ticks N Tines said:
I love Wyoming. I always have. I enjoy hunting and shed hunting up there. It appears to me that WY is tired of sharing resources with others. That's pretty hard news to chew on, but I get it. Unfortunately, I can't afford those new license fees and I certainly don't want to go shed hunt 3 days after all of Wyoming has hammered the sage. So if the intent is to keep everyone out and away from Wyoming, it's definitely working. Think I'm done with that amazing state. I love it, but it doesn't love me back :)
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I loved living in Wyoming. I drew an any elk, buck antelope, buck whitetail, and got a general buck tag my first attempt after becoming a resident. Killed a 5x6 bull, heavy horned antelope, 3x3 muley, and passed on several small whitetail bucks. I never had any crowding issues because I wasn't hunting units G and H. The real issue is on a hand full of units. Anywhere else in the state, you can almost be alone if you get off the road. I left for a significant better job, but I do regret leaving the hunting opportunities.
 

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