I have no idea what your getting atAfter the 2 month, 4 thread war i was in about technology and how unethical long range shooters are, I don't want to hear another BS gripe about about "ethics" ever again after seeing this!
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Yes you do....I have no idea what your getting at
You wouldn't have questioned it if that was the case.Just imagine if this was an 800 yard shot with a 338 Lapua ?
I have read dozens of posts about long range hunters making poor decisions, poor shots and unethical choices.You wouldn't have questioned it if that was the case.
I seen this post and have yet to see an explanation for the shot placement, until I've seen such an explanation I'm not saying anything but congrats on killing an absolute tank.
Truth is you have absolutely no clue what happened slam and therefore have no room to judge.
Thanks for finally answering my question.?I have read dozens of posts about long range hunters making poor decisions, poor shots and unethical choices.
Do we ever have a clue on what happened regardless of weapon or incident before blame is placed?
The point of my thread is "Chit Happens" regardless of yardage or weapon.
This guy did not intentionally shoot this buck in the head, it was lucky shot placement failure.
I have recently read hundreds of posts on my tech threads from close range hunters blaming LRH for mishaps when it happens to all weapons.
Amazing buck, I'm happy it was recovered.
I think you hit the biggest problem.... why on earth would someone post an instagram photo of a deer with an arrow stuck in the eyeball...... bad for the sport indeed.Anyone still denying tech in hunting needs to be limited, better be typing on an apple 2 desktop, and not a Apple iPhone, otherwise you are showing how rapidly tech increases efficiency.
This is the deer my boy killed with a muzzy last year. It's eyes are bulged out because of a .50 cal slug that hit him between the eyes, killing him instantly. It was a split second before he pulled the trigger, but turned his head in front of his chest a the same time the powder went off.
Point being, chit does indeed happen.
Bigger point, I'll assume this came off IG?
WTH are we posting deer with arrows through their eyes for? It couldn't have been pulled?
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Same reason you posted the picture you did I guess?? Neither one is a great look for the sport if you ask me.Anyone still denying tech in hunting needs to be limited, better be typing on an apple 2 desktop, and not a Apple iPhone, otherwise you are showing how rapidly tech increases efficiency.
This is the deer my boy killed with a muzzy last year. It's eyes are bulged out because of a .50 cal slug that hit him between the eyes, killing him instantly. It was a split second before he pulled the trigger, but turned his head in front of his chest a the same time the powder went off.
Point being, chit does indeed happen.
Bigger point, I'll assume this came off IG?
WTH are we posting deer with arrows through their eyes for? It couldn't have been pulled?
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Or a deer with its eyes bulging out of its head ?I think you hit the biggest problem.... why on earth would someone post an instagram photo of a deer with an arrow stuck in the eyeball...... bad for the sport indeed.
Same reason you posted the picture you did I guess?? Neither one is a great look for the sport if you ask me.
Your point was clearly made with out the picture is my point. You call out a young kid who shoots a buck of lifetime for posting his picture and then you post one just as offensive to some. Just seems a bit hypocritical to me.Ya?
I guarantee it's not on IG, Facebook, or even in here in the pics. 100% because I know the difference in IG and MM. And even in MM, I don't post my kids faces. If you don't understand the difference in showing that "chit happens" and begging for likes, then I can't help you.
I did so to make that point completely.
Your point was clearly made with out the picture is my point. You call out a young kid who shoots a buck of lifetime for posting his picture and then you post one just as offensive to some. Just seems a bit hypocritical to me.
So you are insinuating this is "shot placement"?Some days you just take the shot give to ya.
I like his placement.
So you are insinuating this is "shot placement"?
Today's archery tech gadgets are this good that you can aim for the eye on a 220" buck?
I rest my case with the need for a technology committee.
I’ve aimed at deer and elk’s ear holes and as best I could, between their eyes, with muzzleloaders and scoped rifle. I’ve mentioned it before. I got tired of tracking animals hit and not dropping instantly.
Not a typical strategy with a bow…… but… who am I to point a finger at someone for having done the same thing.
Shooting through an eye is worse than shooting through an ear or a forehead? Not in my mind. It just looks different. The eye is pretty dang close to the ear hole or the forehead.
I never took picture of the spikes and yearling BC. If he was older I aimed at his lungs, I was willing to track a lung shot 4x4 with eye guards.
But for all my criticism of the critics who are horrified at a guy posting a picture of a dead deer with an arrow in its skull…… I have to admit to chewing out my own boys for wanting to hang the head of a deer over the tail gate, on the way home, so I am therefore guilty of my own hypocrisy.
I do. Tied to the top of a car. We’re not the same folks we were 40 years ago.Ya!
But...........!
Remember when You Could SPORT The Trophy & Not Get The FINGER?
Tell me that this won't happen if tech is limited and then we will all know the tech "limiting" committee is full of non-facts!So you are insinuating this is "shot placement"?
Today's archery tech gadgets are this good that you can aim for the eye on a 220" buck?
I rest my case with the need for a technology committee.
Looks like that things parents were part pug.Anyone still denying tech in hunting needs to be limited, better be typing on an apple 2 desktop, and not a Apple iPhone, otherwise you are showing how rapidly tech increases efficiency.
This is the deer my boy killed with a muzzy last year. It's eyes are bulged out because of a .50 cal slug that hit him between the eyes, killing him instantly. It was a split second before he pulled the trigger, but turned his head in front of his chest a the same time the powder went off.
Point being, chit does indeed happen.
Bigger point, I'll assume this came off IG?
WTH are we posting deer with arrows through their eyes for? It couldn't have been pulled?
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My comment to Gator was hopefully as facetious as his assumption that it was perfect shot placement.Tell me that this won't happen if tech is limited and then we will all know the tech "limiting" committee is full of non-facts!
Predictions are just that, educated guesses but I'll say you'll see way more of this type stuff because the genie has been out of the bottle for so long!
Zeke
Looks like that things parents were part pug.
Maybe you can go back through numerous threads with hundreds of posts about how advanced technology is needed on our weapons to lesson bad hits and increase shot placement for ethical reasons ?What are you getting at with this thread slam besides starting another bias f$&@@ riff raff of bull **** about tech. When we really don’t even know the cause of why this happened. To me the deers dead he clearly recovered it got either lucky with the bad shot lucky placement or that’s all he had to finish it off and get it on the ground. So what kind of ammo are you trying to gain here with this? All I see is your out to stir ****. yes he could have removed the arrow but honestly it’s his pics he can do what he pleases with it. Everyone has they’re code of ethics but put into the situation with that caliber of deer very little thoughts of ethics are gonna come to mind and maybe bad choices are gonna be made. It’s hunting.
To whoever killed it awesome deer congrats!
I’ve read through the numerous threads and I think why? Like I just stated everyone has they’re code of ethics but a animal that any person presumes as big more than likely that code of ethics goes out the window and they’re mind goes straight to I need to get a shot out cuz you can’t say you had a chance if they’re was nothing in the air no matter if it’s 0 yrds to 100 with a bow. 0 to 400 with a muzzy or 0 to a mile with a rifle I don’t care if you have the latest and greatest or cap and ball a shot will get fired with that opportunity leading to possibly a bad shot or decision. But you also can’t tell me a scoped gun to 400 yrds on a muzzleloader isn’t gonna minimize that chance of losing something over a poor choice of someone doing it with open sites cuz they are gonna take that chance to get a bullet in the air and see if they get lucky. I see this more times than I see the 1% of the hunters running around that even have a gun capable. Yes bad choices get made, bad shots get made by people through any range, and yes I agree they’re is no room for electronics on guns or bows. I also think they’re is a a lot more important issue than this pitty issue about tech and that’s highway mortality, encroachment into winter grounds, destroying winter ground by chaining ever damn tree they’re is to hide behind, water. These are bigger issues than saving one buck for a rifle hunter to plow. And dishing out more tags for archery and muzzleloader cuz we got rid of tech so we can give out 10x more tags so now they’re is more opportunity well guess what they’re won’t be no opportunity when they’re isn’t a damn deer left.Maybe you can go back through numerous threads with hundreds of posts about how advanced technology is needed on our weapons to lesson bad hits and increase shot placement for ethical reasons ?
Mule deer management is a 7 headed monster. No doubt about it.I’ve read through the numerous threads and I think why? Like I just stated everyone has they’re code of ethics but a animal that any person presumes as big more than likely that code of ethics goes out the window and they’re mind goes straight to I need to get a shot out cuz you can’t say you had a chance if they’re was nothing in the air no matter if it’s 0 yrds to 100 with a bow. 0 to 400 with a muzzy or 0 to a mile with a rifle I don’t care if you have the latest and greatest or cap and ball a shot will get fired with that opportunity leading to possibly a bad shot or decision. But you also can’t tell me a scoped gun to 400 yrds on a muzzleloader isn’t gonna minimize that chance of losing something over a poor choice of someone doing it with open sites cuz they are gonna take that chance to get a bullet in the air and see if they get lucky. I see this more times than I see the 1% of the hunters running around that even have a gun capable. Yes bad choices get made, bad shots get made by people through any range, and yes I agree they’re is no room for electronics on guns or bows. I also think they’re is a a lot more important issue than this pitty issue about tech and that’s highway mortality, encroachment into winter grounds, destroying winter ground by chaining ever damn tree they’re is to hide behind, water. These are bigger issues than saving one buck for a rifle hunter to plow. And dishing out more tags for archery and muzzleloader cuz we got rid of tech so we can give out 10x more tags so now they’re is more opportunity well guess what they’re won’t be no opportunity when they’re isn’t a damn deer left.
In a round about way is kinda where I went with that last input on my post if we as hunters put as much effort as we did in this tech stuff that’s supposed to be represented by our good buddy slam. And put it into a real effort to bring back our herds with helping to reduce traffic mortality, disease, winter range, things like that I’m all for it. The herds have been **** long before scopes on muzzleloader advanced archery, and advanced rifle scopes. Down the road we are still gonna be seeing decline in deer and we are still gonna be questioning what can we get rid of now. We already are put in place a mid season rifle to give more opportunity we already have more opportunity for late season limited entry muzzleloader hunt on our general units for opportunity when is the opportunity line drawn when we say we can give more opportunity cuz they’re isn’t the animals to supplyMule deer management is a 7 headed monster. No doubt about it.
In spite of a nation wide, huge decline in mule deer populations, there are a majority of hunters and State F&G administrators that are convinced there are still ways to increase hunting opportunities without killing more mule deer.
Some have stated here that sport hunting mule deer is not going to survive, therefore we should get all the hunting we can get before it’s gone.
Until the majority of hunters and F&G agencies throw this belief in the trash and we go back to focusing on growing mule deer rather than killing mule deer, the folks who believe mule deer hunting is doomed are going to be proven right.
So keep quarreling over these issues and watch the numbers continue to decline.
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I agree, with one acception. I know it sounds self aggrandizing but they called me to get my input before the implemented the mid season. By then I’d sworn off discussing issues with them so I told them I had nothing to offer. However, during that call they did say they where considering a mid season to spread out hunter pressure, not to increase tag numbers or grow more deer. I’ve never checked to see if that’s what they did or not. If they have increased tags by creating the mid season hunt, that is not what they told me there intended to do. So……. I can’t speak to your statement they are using the mid season to offer more opportunity.In a round about way is kinda where I went with that last input on my post if we as hunters put as much effort as we did in this tech stuff that’s supposed to be represented by our good buddy slam. And put it into a real effort to bring back our herds with helping to reduce traffic mortality, disease, winter range, things like that I’m all for it. The herds have been **** long before scopes on muzzleloader advanced archery, and advanced rifle scopes. Down the road we are still gonna be seeing decline in deer and we are still gonna be questioning what can we get rid of now. We already are put in place a mid season rifle to give more opportunity we already have more opportunity for late season limited entry muzzleloader hunt on our general units for opportunity when is the opportunity line drawn when we say we can give more opportunity cuz they’re isn’t the animals to supply
Yes Archery equipment show be looked at just as much as ML equipment.My comment to Gator was hopefully as facetious as his assumption that it was perfect shot placement.
Meaning.....if today's advanced archery equipment is so good we can literally aim for a bucks eye, it should most definitely be looked at.
Seriously, you should catch up on everything that has been said in hundreds of posts.In a round about way is kinda where I went with that last input on my post if we as hunters put as much effort as we did in this tech stuff that’s supposed to be represented by our good buddy slam. And put it into a real effort to bring back our herds with helping to reduce traffic mortality, disease, winter range, things like that I’m all for it. The herds have been **** long before scopes on muzzleloader advanced archery, and advanced rifle scopes. Down the road we are still gonna be seeing decline in deer and we are still gonna be questioning what can we get rid of now. We already are put in place a mid season rifle to give more opportunity we already have more opportunity for late season limited entry muzzleloader hunt on our general units for opportunity when is the opportunity line drawn when we say we can give more opportunity cuz they’re isn’t the animals to supply
Your correct that is why they implemented the mid season. I didn’t think about that when I added that with opportunity, but In away it does give a edge of opportunity with a better opportunity for mature deer being shot cuz they’re still in that stage where they are still a little vulnerable. And they’re is still enough feed that hasnt fully froze and died in some higher ground where they maybe want to feed longer into and easier to be seen. Before they move down lower where it maybe a little tougher to find them like during the regular season rifle when they get into some deeper denser canyons.I agree, with one acception. I know it sounds self aggrandizing but they called me to get my input before the implemented the mid season. By then I’d sworn off discussing issues with them so I told them I had nothing to offer. However, during that call they did say they where considering a mid season to spread out hunter pressure, not to increase tag numbers or grow more deer. I’ve never checked to see if that’s what they did or not. If they have increased tags by creating the mid season hunt, that is not what they told me there intended to do. So……. I can’t speak to your statement they are using the mid season to offer more opportunity.
Either way, I suppose it still goes to support your belief they are still not focusing on growing more deer….. in order to provide more opportunity. With which I agree whole heartedly.
Hahaha no I got it. Please enlighten me, please tell me we are gonna spend our hole 10% of the millions of profit we get for the “animal” from the conservation expo to chain more land lol Along with all our tag money.Seriously, you should catch up on everything that has been said in hundreds of posts.
You're a little late to want to discuss all the other issues affecting overall deer numbers at this point that are already being addressed in conjunction with emerging technology.
Shouldn’t management always be taking feed back? The way your making it sound we should all take a back seat and leave it to the professionals ?Hahaha no I got it. Please enlighten me, please tell me we are gonna spend our hole 10% of the millions of profit we get for the “animal” from the conservation expo to chain more land lol Along with all our tag money.
10 posts and all the sudden you're on top of everything??Shouldn’t management always be taking feed back? The way your making it sound we should all take a back seat and leave it to the professionals ?
I don’t need to post a hundred posts to make myself look good or pretend I know everything. I’ve read your threads and all I have really seen from you specifically is no facts and baffle with bull **** with bias answers to some good questions. And I’m getting the same.10 posts and all the sudden you're on top of everything??
Enjoy your day.
You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth and contradicting yourself in every other sentence!I don’t need to post a hundred posts to make myself look good or pretend I know everything. I’ve read your threads and all I have really seen from you specifically is no facts and baffle with bull **** with bias answers to some good questions. And I’m getting the same.
What am I contradicting?You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth and contradicting yourself in every other sentence!
Is that true?Everyone bashing on the shot should maybe consider that the kid "might" have shot it on private land illegally without permission and "might" have had the head confiscated.
You are correct, I did a little sleuthing myself.Everyone bashing on the shot should maybe consider that the kid "might" have shot it on private land illegally without permission and "might" have had the head confiscated.
That’s the rumor on the streetEveryone bashing on the shot should maybe consider that the kid "might" have shot it on private land illegally without permission and "might" have had the head confiscated.
Dang who has the dope on if it was taken legal or not.
Lets see some prove.
I think he meant "prove it!"?Proof?
Oh and it "might" be on video of them dragging it through a fence with no trespassing signs on it as well lolEveryone bashing on the shot should maybe consider that the kid "might" have shot it on private land illegally without permission and "might" have had the head confiscated.
Really? Your supporting a poacher?Bucks dead. Great buck. Who cares how it got dead. Good job young man.
Hoss, I fixed it for internet viewing…Anyone still denying tech in hunting needs to be limited, better be typing on an apple 2 desktop, and not a Apple iPhone, otherwise you are showing how rapidly tech increases efficiency.
This is the deer my boy killed with a muzzy last year. It's eyes are bulged out because of a .50 cal slug that hit him between the eyes, killing him instantly. It was a split second before he pulled the trigger, but turned his head in front of his chest a the same time the powder went off.
Point being, chit does indeed happen.
Bigger point, I'll assume this came off IG?
WTH are we posting deer with arrows through their eyes for? It couldn't have been pulled?
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It moved its four feet very fast.So they trespassed to get the deer and how does a deer shot in the head run onto the private?
Looks ro me like it just went through the eye socket, wouldn't have killed it right away.So they trespassed to get the deer and how does a deer shot in the head run onto the private?
I will agree with you fully if that story is true I will take back any bad judgement I have passed. I truly hope that story is true and the kid gets his buck back.I will reserve judgment, if the story told is true I have no issues with anything in this post.
i never defended anything, i just posted what they are saying happened and not just rumors either, That's strait from the horses mouth.Glad to see so many guys defending trespassers
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