There are great Deer on here for sure, what I was getting at is the score system is a joke, but it has been used forever. I just hate the deductions for this or that you can have a 190' class buck and after they deduct everything he's high 170's. The gross score yes, there are lots of 180 or 90 Deer. I just hate that everyone wants to shoot Bucks that they think will SCORE this or that, has anyone ever been dead on from the field? If you are happy when he's on the ground does it really matter what it scores? Congrats to all who have taken a true giant Muley and hopefully these majestic animals will continue to roam the earth long after I'm gone. Not so sure anymore tho, it is definitely getting tougher for them every year. Good luck this year everyone.