You will be able to find out when they post the stats just like last year.
They will if no youths apply for them
My memory isn't that great anymore but pretty sure I applied for a hunt code with 16 tags in last year's secondary draw and no adults drew.
Amen brother
I don’t know about that there’s 1 tag available for the unit I hunt I, it filled with more points then I had in the main draw. Maybe yours is still being processed ?
I looked over draw results last year… ehhh not looking good. The trash tags there are a chance but anything halfway decent goes youth by a landslide
They probably offered it to the next person in line and they took it, if it took very many points to draw.
It was either returned or not paid for. You can apply for it, but will be throwing money away as it will go to a youth
It’s all a bunch of crap & I’ll not ever again apply for these tags. All for the kids. Not us old guys. Total BS.
Yeah that would Chap me if I were a resident. Appreciate the info, sounds like with the youth preference, its a crapshoot for me anyways
The issue is the tags that get on this last that are not paid for. If it were just leftover tags that no one applied for then most would not care if youth got preference. Those tags that were not paid for should go to leftover day, not on this 2nd draw list. Would anyone care then?
Jerry I was going to offer to help you in 67 until I saw this. Pretty damn selfish.
How is thinking that something held in the public trust to be given to one group over the other selfish? What if they gave out tags based on race or gender, would Jerry be justified then? I think the current way is BS. If you want more youth opportunities make more youth RFW tags or youth only hunts. This new system of youth 100% preference is pretty dumb.
You mean like res and non res?
So, you are ok with them allowing kids to list 4 different choices, and only after going through every youth for all 4 of their choices, do we we get a shot? I could see youth getting pref on 1st choice but not all 4.
Let's also not forget about the following current youth perks that were already in place: reduced fee licenses, antlerless license preference in the draws, being allowed to convert their unfilled antlerless deer and elk and either-sex elk tags to antlerless licenses to be used in any remaining open season. Seems to me these are enough to get kids involved.
I have no problem with giving the kids the tags, but CPW should tell everyone exactly what’s going on as to not waste a guys time &’money !!!
CPW said last year that youth had preference and their 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices would take preference over an adults 1st choice. There are tons of youth that apply and not a whole lot of good tags available. Heck, I put in for one tag for chits and giggles and knew I was donating to the CPW. Guess I was hoping their chitty tag system would mess up and a tag would magically appear in my mailbox!
I also surrendered a very good muzzleloader antelope tag because I drew a Utah elk tag as well. It is also not on the list as it most likely went to the next alternate...
Yes I'm OK with 1-4 going to kids. I think it's a good thing and gives kids chances at tags that they couldn't draw as a youth because of the preference points required. These are basically bonus tags, adults have a chance at reissues, leftovers, vouchers, and first draw.
Yes sir, I am.
What were you out, $30? Time, 10 mins? The youth preference was clear for the secondary "raffle". I drew a secondary tag last year, and so did both of my kids. When something new comes out some critical thinking can go a long way.
Let me guess, you're 65+ with 15+ points for everything?
As it should be
Seems that you are bias because you have kids, right? I agree with them getting preference on true leftovers, but not on high point value tags that people tried to draw.
Let me guess..
I agree, I’m in a weird spot this year, was supposed to burn 8 elk points, but with mama having a baby mid august, I was told hunting time would be limited this year, so I’m trying to grab a tag in my cabin’s unit, which is a zero/ 1 point area… honestly not a great hunting unit but a little hunting is better than no hunting, there are 20+/- tags in the second draw…. So they suckered me in. Otherwise I would be out on the racket. My guess is the snot nosers will take it but hey it’s fun to dream. There might be some late turn ins for the unit as well since I won’t go up until later in sept. The re issue process didn’t go so well last year either though
All Re-issues to date are in the Secondary Draw - they are not held for the Re-issue process which they should be.
have you had your preference points reinstated? I got my card refunded but still haven't gotten my points back
Yup!
Zero points and no refund on my card for me as of this morning when I checked...
Yes you are supposed to get your pre-draw level points back plus a refund on the tag if you surrendered your tag by the 6/6 deadline.
if the tag took more than 5 points it goes to the next in line that applied for it. If no one wants it, It will hit the reissue list later this summer
I would not be opposed to a senior citizen preference as well. Maybe we should bring this up to the powers above?
I had to turn my dad's tag back due to drawing anothertag that conflictswith it in utah, I got the refund already, haven't checked his points, he only had 1.
ummm. orion, you don't get both. You need to choose, points back or money back. (Always pick points back.). There are 3 boxes on the surrender form.
You got both this year if surrendered by 6/6. See page 1 or 2 of the regs…
Wow. Tell us what you really feel about us!
Well then tell us your opinion on that but don’t act like a kid and call us names.
I'm still disheartened by the fact that you are selfish (no other way to say it) enough you think you should have a chance at some tags they should get if they can in a leftover or 2nd drawing. I'll gladly take a second seat for any tag the youth in your clan have a chance at getting. Us older people (you are a generation above me) and the huge bank of points we have stacked up over the youth give us a HUGE advantage in the regular drawing. Sorry for throwing the term "dich" out there. Perhaps un called for but does the shoe fit?
That year I got a really bad infection in lower right leg in mid summer, Dr said that’s it, no climbing around in canyons and risking getting it worse !!! I sense that you just don’t like me period ! Doesn’t bother me. Everyone has an opinion. Deal with it.
You admit to loving it because it benefits your family directly, what if you didn’t have kids would you still be gung ho?
can’t let the 180 pointer get away.
The issue is the high-point tags being included in the list that is a youth draw only. I don't agree with it, but your point is taken that maybe there should be more youth opportunities in general. I think most would agree with that sentiment, just not a tag that takes some 15 years to draw when in reality it should just go to the next in line with 15 points.
You admit to loving it because it benefits your family directly, what if you didn’t have kids would you still be gung ho?
I’m all for more youth only tags, but make them youth only tags in the first draw. let’s keep the 2nd draw truly random, like it was for years.
I love all the dads who get good tags… for their kids (right) and then act all selfless like they arent enjoying the heck out of the hunt themselves and doing 99% of the hunting except for pulling the trigger, or heck maybe they are doing that too
My question sir, is do you let your kids pick the animals they want to shoot? Or do you pick the animal for them?
I don't believe an adult is being a selfish dich for calling out the inequities in the design of this youth/secondary draw.
Yep. Should be an over/under deal. Over 65 or under 16.
yeah your wrong you get both this year if you surrendered the tag before the deadline right after the draw
Do you hunt BLM or NF?
Sure do, I and my wife also pay about 35 percent in federal income tax, but that land happens to fall in my home state, I also go out on wildland firefighting rolls to prevent big chunks of it from turning to moon dust, don’t worry I do my part. I get what your getting at, how do you access those spots? Lots off of roads that the state pays to maintain, from our super expensive vehicle registration… we could go back and forth but don’t pretend like a 600 dollar elk tag isn’t the deal I’d the century for you out of staters.
great thanks... you didn't say when you returned the tag.
We all pay federal taxes. If CO has a big fire, our smoke jumpers are just a call away. Last two places I hunted had only had 2 state highways 40 and 141. Sure the residents are happy they exist for access to their properties. Did a hunt by Pagosa Springs, spent 10 days lodging in a condo. Ate and drank local. Bought their expensive gas. Did a bit of hunting to. Ate the tag, like I’ve done a number of times. Did not get a chance to use my small game or fishing licenses. Do you know what percent of license revenue comes from NR’s. Just curious.
I love axis deer. So freaking delicious....
I let my kids choose. I also like to take them on quality hunts where we can hunt without bumping into a ton of people, so I'm excited about some of the 1-4 pt tags on the list.You admit to loving it because it benefits your family directly, what if you didn’t have kids would you still be gung ho?
I’m all for more youth only tags, but make them youth only tags in the first draw. let’s keep the 2nd draw truly random, like it was for years.
I love all the dads who get good tags… for their kids (right) and then act all selfless like they arent enjoying the heck out of the hunt themselves and doing 99% of the hunting except for pulling the trigger, or heck maybe they are doing that too
My question sir, is do you let your kids pick the animals they want to shoot? Or do you pick the animal for them?
There are not 15 pt tags on the secondary draw list.... Everything is less than 5 resident points unless I missed something.
yea I really like this bull. I remember your post after you killed him.I’m pretty sure I saw it on the hoof….. if not it was his twin brother
So question for you. If I draw antelope, deer, and elk and they include a fishing license with each tag. Do I have 3 fishing licenses? Do I get to keep 3 times the possession limit? Is it even legal? What if a resident tried to buy 3 fishing licenses? ??
Draw your tag in the first draw then.
IF you read the rules it clearly states that youth have preference (4th bullet point). I took a flier on it last year not knowing how many of the tags would fall through to adult applicants. Saving my money this year as I don’t want to throw good money after bad on what is basically a zero odds drawing for adults…
Well said. I don’t know why an adult would apply.
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