We gotta keep those damn state workers honest with that work from home sh!t.
That’s a big drop for one year. Hopefully, CA doesn’t ban hunting before the max point pool reaches a reasonable number.
Dang that’s rough, heart breaker. Hope you get one this year.
Should be thankful you didn't draw the Sheetholes!!! I've had two friends draw that tag. One hunted for weeks on end and never had a chance at a ram. The other friend killed one, but wasn't a solid ram. I'd rather wait 10 more years and get a tag for one of the better units.
Yeah I have heard that it’s more like the **** hole instead of sheep hole haha, much the less a sheep tag in the pocket is better then never having one in my opinion at least. I also have a buddy that hunted it over 20 days and said it was a difficult hunt and killed a ram on the smaller side, but he has a desert and I don’t haha.
With my max pts in CA and 20+ points in other states for sheep I'd be happy to wait for a better hunt than to simply just put a mediocre sheep tag in my pocket.
There were 1,689 max point holders vying for 19 tags in the preference quota. Not likely to drop in the next few decades.
a second alternate hunted in about 1991....
Amen.....the sheepholes have no access to speak of. I have flown it with F&G doing guzzler work....
Beautiful! Just twisting the knife, aren't you? Guided or just had all your hunting buddies join the once-in-a-lifetime event?
I hunted with Dry Creek Outfitters, Matt St. Martin. Basically hunted with Matt and his father, Cliff and Brooks Stiltz. The boys were along to learn about sheep hunting and help with the packing. The fellow on the left, Carlos, is a great local guy who helped out, even though he’s not a guide. When he heard we got a ram, he came out to see it and be part of helping.
Terry Anderson or Don Anderson?
Interesting. I'll just say that!
I only have 2nd hand info. If you wanted to chat with someone specifically feel free to PM me.
I hear you there but what if you weren’t max points ?
Then draw any sheep tag you can get! Don't wait.
I considered all options except one, from hunting on my own to Kika, Dry Creek and another. The only choice that was never an option was Terry Anderson. I’ve had 2 brief dealings with him over the years and based on my personal interactions with him, he was never an option. I’d have hunted alone, by myself; before I’d consider him.
Congratulations on drawing two sheep tags, what states did you draw in? California?
I remember now! Pretty amazing hopefully I have some of your luck in the draws this year. You apply for sheep in California as well?
I also remember now watching your Rocky hunt on YouTube
that’s awesome is the desert sheep hunt on YouTube as well? I wouldn’t mind watching it specially since I have seen the Utah Rocky sheep hunt of yours.
You keep assuming “if the numbers” stay the same. That’s not even close to reality. The numbers seem to be dropping significantly every year. Yes, it may take decades to draw, but it’s not going to be half a century.Do the math - Max point holders 1689
1438 applied in max point pool for 19 tags
If numbers stayed the same it would take 75.6 years to clear them
As stateabove there are actually 1689 max point holders (251) applied for a point only
If the max point pool stays the same and all applied for a hunt... 1689/19 It would take 88.89 years to clear them all
27 total tags - if all went to max point holders it would take 1689/27 62.55 years
If you were 16 when the point system started, you are now 34... so if you have really bad luck and the numbers stay the same you will be a minimum of 96 years old when you draw... ??
With that said if you don’t apply you will never draw... I drew a Elk tag that had 1-3994 odds
Not assuming just showing the math based on the numbers today. Yes more than 19-27 will drop off based old age or even missing a draw year by mistake. Realty is more likely 30-40 years to clear max point holders, so decades as you are stating. That is assuming draw sheep tags stay at 27 and don’t drop. I also stated if you don’t apply you will never draw. I apply in many states for sheep, elk, deer, etc. I buy raffle tickets... why because you never know.
Nah, they just smell like it.
Do the math - Max point holders 1689
1438 applied in max point pool for 19 tags
If numbers stayed the same it would take 75.6 years to clear them
As stateabove there are actually 1689 max point holders (251) applied for a point only
If the max point pool stays the same and all applied for a hunt... 1689/19 It would take 88.89 years to clear them all
27 total tags - if all went to max point holders it would take 1689/27 62.55 years
If you were 16 when the point system started, you are now 34... so if you have really bad luck and the numbers stay the same you will be a minimum of 96 years old when you draw... ??
With that said if you don’t apply you will never draw... I drew a Elk tag that had 1-3994 odds
That is why applied too, because I was told it was tough and best odds. I'm not into records, but would love to kill the best, legal animal I can find. Same with my antelope tag, didn't need a record, just wanted fun and opportunity.
Stop it!!
Ha, you'd have to be bad with numbers or not understand simple math if you didn't/couldn't recognize that!
I guess depending on your birthday you could be 35 right now.Do the math - Max point holders 1689
1438 applied in max point pool for 19 tags
If numbers stayed the same it would take 75.6 years to clear them
As stateabove there are actually 1689 max point holders (251) applied for a point only
If the max point pool stays the same and all applied for a hunt... 1689/19 It would take 88.89 years to clear them all
27 total tags - if all went to max point holders it would take 1689/27 62.55 years
If you were 16 when the point system started, you are now 34... so if you have really bad luck and the numbers stay the same you will be a minimum of 96 years old when you draw... ??
With that said if you don’t apply you will never draw... I drew a Elk tag that had 1-3994 odds
You and I both, I have a feeling you and I are in the same point pool, for sheep and antelope. Or very close.
I've summitted a few of CA's 14ers. In 2009 I summited White Mtn peak and it was nothing like the other peaks I've ascended. I got really sick on the ascent, but made it. The main issue is that the trailhead is at 11,700 feet, whereas a lot of other trailheads are much lower. Starting at such a high elevation doesn't give most folks time to acclimate, unless you spend a week or so at 10k feet beforehand. IMO a lot of folks apply for the White Mtn unit not having any idea how brutal the hunt is. Not to mention, I'd prefer a DBHS hunt in the more typically habitats of the lower desert country.
Drew Likely Tables speedgoat in 2018. Fun hunt, but apparently they cut tags this year. Max for elk too.
Spend a week at Camp lll.
| Year | Max Pt Apps | % Decrease in max pt apps |
| 2009 | 3059 | |
| 2010 | 2862 | 6.4% |
| 2011 | 2746 | 4.1% |
| 2012 | 2621 | 4.6% |
| 2013 | 2431 | 7.2% |
| 2014 | 2261 | 7.0% |
| 2015 | 2165 | 4.2% |
| 2016 | 2056 | 5.0% |
| 2017 | 1967 | 4.3% |
| 2018 | 1876 | 4.6% |
| 2019 | 1832 | 2.3% |
| 2020 | 1689 | 7.8% |
| AVG | 5.2% |
| Year | Estimated Max Pt Apps |
| 2021 | 1600 |
| 2022 | 1517 |
| 2023 | 1437 |
| 2024 | 1362 |
| 2025 | 1290 |
| 2026 | 1223 |
| 2027 | 1159 |
| 2028 | 1098 |
| 2029 | 1040 |
| 2030 | 986 |
| 2031 | 934 |
| 2032 | 885 |
| 2033 | 839 |
| 2034 | 795 |
| 2035 | 753 |
| 2036 | 714 |
| 2037 | 676 |
| 2038 | 641 |
| 2039 | 607 |
| 2040 | 575 |
they are in the link by unit.
My stats show that the last max point holders for sheep should last for 47 more years...that mean everyone with less than max points will affectively have zero points for sheep for 47 more years
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