As a resident of Idaho I feel that Idaho has taken this in the wrong direction. As a resident I would not be opposed to paying 70 dollars for a deer tag and 100 dollars for a elk tag, it would increase revenue exponentially and we would still have the revenue to cut tags state wide including resident tags. Unit 6 where my dad hunts has a few thousand people hunting in a 2 week span for elk (its a fricken zoo!). Most of the panhandle units are this way. Turn these panhandle tags into draw units with 500 tags to be drawn and the elk herds would flourish in trophy potential and herd size. I hunted there last year, saw elk every day at decently long distances, always on the run, +wolves, it was to the point I almost felt bad being there hunting them. Also yes lots of out of state plates but give them the opportunity at 20 to 25% of the tags, its really good revenue. Just my 2 cents.
Gonna take a beating here. BUT....
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They need to cap and draw every unit, you wonder why they are having so much problem in farm country it’s from the never ending over lapping seasons, they also need a shed hunting season and license. This Oppurtunity hunting is a piss poor way to manage wildlife for any quality at all. We have one Conservation Officer for 4 huge units in the Central Mountains. How about raising the Elk to 150.00 and Deer 100.00 then will see who wants to hunt or dabble and none of this second Mule Deer tag crap!
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Of course you are right Hawkbill but the lazy town folk don't see it that way.
They are too busy tossing their cans and potato chip bags out the window to see what is coming down the pike.
The same locals that are scrambling to cut their firewood right now.
Sad but Idaho locals continue to trash what they take for granted.
Day in and day out.
They are too busy tossing their cans and potato chip bags out the window to see what is coming down the pike.
The same locals that are scrambling to cut their firewood right now.
Sad but Idaho locals continue to trash what they take for granted.
Day in and day out.
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What a moronic pile of sh t. The butthurt is strong in this one..... and reads like you have first hand experience with that junk-food road hunt.
Whatever the case, we inbreds are encouraged that things are tightening up--limit and costwise--as it relates to the NR horde arriving seasonally here in Idaho.
And we ranchers, outdoorsmen are very glad to pay more for our res tags, but the increase for the NR tag was long overdue. Unit caps are as well.
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I will gladly pay more for tags. Especially if it allows further limits/restrictions on the non resident tag management. Something that is finally being considered and need be with Idaho’s resident population increase.
as to the management over opportunity discussions I think most guys on here don’t really acknowledge that it’s a multi faceted issue. Yes I care about deer herds. Yes I (we) want more mature animals because we’re out there after trophies. No my neighbor who maybe didn’t grow up hunting doesn’t know anything about that and is over the moon with the 2 point buck his kid shot because it’s both there first deer.
idfg, and all game departments have to manage for the entire public wether we Internet experts like it or not. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle of free for all and “ cap and draw every unit” neither of which I’d be in favor of. I’ll say it again. At least this week a step in the right direction was made
as to the management over opportunity discussions I think most guys on here don’t really acknowledge that it’s a multi faceted issue. Yes I care about deer herds. Yes I (we) want more mature animals because we’re out there after trophies. No my neighbor who maybe didn’t grow up hunting doesn’t know anything about that and is over the moon with the 2 point buck his kid shot because it’s both there first deer.
idfg, and all game departments have to manage for the entire public wether we Internet experts like it or not. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle of free for all and “ cap and draw every unit” neither of which I’d be in favor of. I’ll say it again. At least this week a step in the right direction was made
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See ya in 2021.
Pick up your liter and respect the private property.
Pick up your liter and respect the private property.
I agree that paying more for elk and deer tags and eliminating a portion of the hunters would make me happy but you can’t believe the yelling that they hear when tags go up $8. “They’re making it so that only the rich can afford or go hunting!” “The almighty dollar is all the the Fish and Game care about!” Blah blah blah.
This coming from many of the same people dragging $80,000 campers into the woods with $70,000 pickups burning $5/gal fuel with two $20,000 side by sides behind them.
I would gladly pay $150 for an elk tag is it meant 20% fewer people.
This coming from many of the same people dragging $80,000 campers into the woods with $70,000 pickups burning $5/gal fuel with two $20,000 side by sides behind them.
I would gladly pay $150 for an elk tag is it meant 20% fewer people.
changes are coming in the not so distant future to residents in ID. There was a sentence in the latest email about the NR capped tags that all residents should read carefully. Since 1990 Idahos population has increased 78%! 780,000 Just that new population and the hunters within it is 7X the NR quota that hasn't changed in 30 years.
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In Ut there is a 3 season general elk tag that sells for 150$ and I here complaining about that. I tell them you better only hunt in Ut then.
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I’m sorry but not controlling your residents is what’s really hurting you guys , I have plenty of friends who have lived in Idaho and they even admit it , but yes atleast some action is being taken , not really accomplishing anything but there are good intentions I guess ?
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Idaho is an opportunity state! Us sportsman arguing about the way a state manages there game just gives those non hunting people more ammunition to ban it period. And that is coming eventually! Maybe not in my lifetime. Eventually there will be to many people to support hunting or even some wildlife. But let’s argue about tags and trophy quality ??
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it will make a difference. may not be the difference you want but it would be silly to say decreasing the number of hunters in a unit will make no difference. and regardless of resident numbers increasing limiting non residents is a decrease in a unit. again ill use 39 for an example. i think the new non res quota is around 1100 hunters. i don't know the exact umber of non res hunters in there every year but im sure its safe to say its at least triple that if not more (and i expect its more) i know the only guys i ran into in 39 this year were from Washington and California. there will be less of those guys now. this will inherently make for a better hunting experience for not only residents but the 1100 non residents as well. so it will accomplish something
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I’m not here to argue , but would you have a problem sticking to one unit as a res ? Not sure if you stated that or not , sure don’t cap it for residents , but if everyone had to stick to one unit , it would reduce pressure that much more , i called idfg , asked a few questions, (they’ve been getting a lot of calls on this ) so a crappy unit that has NR tags leftover, a res can pik those up and have a free for all , don’t have to stick to the unit , no matter what residents have 90 percent of the tags and that’s an astronomical number, I’ve been hunting idaho for over a decade now and yea a lot of NR hunting , but the weekend all the Res show up that’s when it gets crazy , still don’t think it’s gona help much the way they are handling it
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Would i stick to one unit on my general tag. No. And I’ve stated before residents of a state should have benefits that non residents don’t have regardless of what state it is. Would I stick to one unit on a left over second tag, yes I would. I highly doubt I’m ever going to get a shot at a left over tag in this state again though. You guys will be online 12 am the day tags go on sale for non Rez and I bet there all gone by lunch. And that’s fine, it will still make for better over all hunting experiences in this state
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I really think that you’re not going to see much of a difference, but I really hope you do, trust me I’d love an experience with less pressure, curious to see how it all works out
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If you cap and draw every unit there are no general tags. There is no jumping from unit to unit. Guys that are serious about trophy hunting and put in for top units might not draw for years. Oppurtunity hunters will be spread out much more equally throughout less desired units in the state with less over crowding and a better experience. Or maybe you all could come up to Ketchum will have a pint, watch a showing of the meat eater and than the whole lot of us can go out and pound unit 48
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As a resident, I'd be very happy with having to pick a zone or even a unit for deer.
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I agree with the folks who don't think the NR are the issue with overcrowding in ID. The same thing happened in OR and we are losing 100% of our OTC opportunity for deer in every eastern OR unit starting in 2021. NR are also losing out, we will be losing OTC archery elk starting in 2022 all in the name of overcrowding. I was born and raised out here and have been hunting the same areas since the early 90's and feel 100% of the overcrowding here is from other Oregonians coming out here from the big citys.
I've also hunted in ID for the last 6 years and am confident that even in 39 there will be much of a change as far as overcrowding. I plan my trips over for weekdays and the hunting is great. As soon as the weekends roll around people show up in droves and everything gets blown out until Tuesday of the following week. Most of the rigs I see have a big 1A on their plates.
I really don't want to see ID turn into another OR, we are almost all draw, same as Washington. If I want to rifle deer hunt anywhere within 2hrs of my house it will take me 3-4yrs to draw a tag and about 6-8yrs for an elk tag in those same units. This made me switch to archery over 10 years ago and I have not even applied for a rifle tag. Now we are moving to draw for archery because of all of the whining about overcrowding. I have hunted hard and killed a nice 6 point bull 4 of the last 6 years in OR OTC and see very few people once I leave the roads or easy to hunt areas. It's the lazy unsuccessful people complaining.
I would love to turn back the clocks and lose a huge portion of our population and hunters but IMO with the way the world is going the more hunters the better for all of us. If that means overcrowding then I will just hunt a little harder. I have been teaching my boys to they have to put in the extra effort if they want to be successful and they have been seeing the success that comes from hard work. I think this is a huge lesson a lot of people have forgotten these days. Everyone wants something for nothing and think that a lot of people feel the same when it comes to hunting. The days of road hunting up mature bucks are over unless you draw a very limited tag. I grew up hunting since I could walk and most of that was spent driving around and shooting stuff from a vehicle. I've killed a top 10 buck in OR out the pickup window as a teenager and dozens of elk in a similar fashion, the first elk I killed out of close to 2 dozen that I actually couldn't drive a vehicle to and had to quarter was in 2015.
I will still hunt in ID, I'm not sure which unit I will pick but I'm taking my family over there and renting a motel tomorrow through Sunday and we are going to spend thanksgiving bow hunting for mule deer, my 14yr old will hopefully kill his first animal with a bow. This year it cost me $550ish to come to ID and bring my two young boys to hunt, we haven't killed a deer over there so far this season but have put several dollars into the local ID economy and not in a big city. I will be spending quite a bit more on the economy this upcoming week while we are there. Next year with the change I will lose the late bow hunt if I chose to hunt the same units and the tags for me and my two kids will cost over $1300. More than likely that means lost revenue to IDFG as well as all the small communities I've been visiting for the past few years. I know that's what a lot of people want in ID, personally I feel like it is going to really hurt hunter recruitment by raising youth tags 600% which in the end will end up with us losing more people to the other side which will eventually mean the end of hunting altogether.
I really feel hunters can become very self-centered and lose sight of the big picture, I try to help as many people as I can when I can. I like seeing others be successful even if that means more work for me. I have been up the middle fork and seen the thousands of people up there in the fall and I do feel like something needs to change in that area.
I think a better approach would have been to address problem areas as they become problems. Taking away opportunity across the board isn't the answer, there are still more places in ID that have little to no human activity in the fall than overcrowded places. I love ID and someday I hope to be a resident, I just hate to see it turn into another OR, I feel IDFG should make all of their choices based on science and data collected by their bio's. If they continue to listen to the masses ID sportsman will be in trouble, in a few more years ID will be outnumbered by city folks just like OR and the masses will want to do things like getting rid of hound hunting and trapping. You want to see what herd decline really is wait until you have as many predators on the landscape as prey. I just wish people would think more about the big picture and not what is affecting them on a personal level.
To me, the most important aspect of hunting is passing it on to younger generations, if we can't recruit more hunters than we are losing we all lose in the end.
Our youth are the ones losing out when ID limits NR and raises prices. It's not the guy with the 30K side by side and 100K motorhome parked along the middle fork, those guys will still buy the tags and be there. There is a good chance that this will be the last year that these two hunt in Idaho.
I've also hunted in ID for the last 6 years and am confident that even in 39 there will be much of a change as far as overcrowding. I plan my trips over for weekdays and the hunting is great. As soon as the weekends roll around people show up in droves and everything gets blown out until Tuesday of the following week. Most of the rigs I see have a big 1A on their plates.
I really don't want to see ID turn into another OR, we are almost all draw, same as Washington. If I want to rifle deer hunt anywhere within 2hrs of my house it will take me 3-4yrs to draw a tag and about 6-8yrs for an elk tag in those same units. This made me switch to archery over 10 years ago and I have not even applied for a rifle tag. Now we are moving to draw for archery because of all of the whining about overcrowding. I have hunted hard and killed a nice 6 point bull 4 of the last 6 years in OR OTC and see very few people once I leave the roads or easy to hunt areas. It's the lazy unsuccessful people complaining.
I would love to turn back the clocks and lose a huge portion of our population and hunters but IMO with the way the world is going the more hunters the better for all of us. If that means overcrowding then I will just hunt a little harder. I have been teaching my boys to they have to put in the extra effort if they want to be successful and they have been seeing the success that comes from hard work. I think this is a huge lesson a lot of people have forgotten these days. Everyone wants something for nothing and think that a lot of people feel the same when it comes to hunting. The days of road hunting up mature bucks are over unless you draw a very limited tag. I grew up hunting since I could walk and most of that was spent driving around and shooting stuff from a vehicle. I've killed a top 10 buck in OR out the pickup window as a teenager and dozens of elk in a similar fashion, the first elk I killed out of close to 2 dozen that I actually couldn't drive a vehicle to and had to quarter was in 2015.
I will still hunt in ID, I'm not sure which unit I will pick but I'm taking my family over there and renting a motel tomorrow through Sunday and we are going to spend thanksgiving bow hunting for mule deer, my 14yr old will hopefully kill his first animal with a bow. This year it cost me $550ish to come to ID and bring my two young boys to hunt, we haven't killed a deer over there so far this season but have put several dollars into the local ID economy and not in a big city. I will be spending quite a bit more on the economy this upcoming week while we are there. Next year with the change I will lose the late bow hunt if I chose to hunt the same units and the tags for me and my two kids will cost over $1300. More than likely that means lost revenue to IDFG as well as all the small communities I've been visiting for the past few years. I know that's what a lot of people want in ID, personally I feel like it is going to really hurt hunter recruitment by raising youth tags 600% which in the end will end up with us losing more people to the other side which will eventually mean the end of hunting altogether.
I really feel hunters can become very self-centered and lose sight of the big picture, I try to help as many people as I can when I can. I like seeing others be successful even if that means more work for me. I have been up the middle fork and seen the thousands of people up there in the fall and I do feel like something needs to change in that area.
I think a better approach would have been to address problem areas as they become problems. Taking away opportunity across the board isn't the answer, there are still more places in ID that have little to no human activity in the fall than overcrowded places. I love ID and someday I hope to be a resident, I just hate to see it turn into another OR, I feel IDFG should make all of their choices based on science and data collected by their bio's. If they continue to listen to the masses ID sportsman will be in trouble, in a few more years ID will be outnumbered by city folks just like OR and the masses will want to do things like getting rid of hound hunting and trapping. You want to see what herd decline really is wait until you have as many predators on the landscape as prey. I just wish people would think more about the big picture and not what is affecting them on a personal level.
To me, the most important aspect of hunting is passing it on to younger generations, if we can't recruit more hunters than we are losing we all lose in the end.
Our youth are the ones losing out when ID limits NR and raises prices. It's not the guy with the 30K side by side and 100K motorhome parked along the middle fork, those guys will still buy the tags and be there. There is a good chance that this will be the last year that these two hunt in Idaho.
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Lots of good points on here, some are opposing, it's all about your point of reference.
I like to shoot mature animals, so opportunity isn't my top priority, that is until I can't hunt every year!!
My best friend is not a resident, though he's trying very hard to get his wife to agree to a move. So, even as a resident that has seen a lot of new pressure from people from CA/WA/OR/UT and so I wouldn't mind making my life easier, but it's at the cost of my best buddy, so no win win.
It's a little embarrassing how I feel sometimes when I see the WA and UT plates, in particular, parked at my trailheads. Mostly because I know these guys don't have "our" access to hunting and are here leveraging off "our" herds because they choose to live somewhere that can't provide them the opportunity we have. I think, over time, you have to realize, how do we not end up there ourselves. Well, the new rule is meant for NR's, and as a resident that sounds fair, but eventually it's unlikely it doesn't hit us. Well, maybe it has.
I have bought a second tag, strictly for WT, about 8 of the last 10 yrs. I couldn't this year, as none were available. I was SHOCKED! Do I buy a second tag to be greedy and kill 2 deer. Hell no. I've never killed 2 deer in a year and that's by design. There very different experiences for me and as I get pickier about my MD, and frankly it get's harder to hunt them where mature deer live, I like the more relaxed opportunity WT give. But, things changed, first with a shorter WT season, and now with no season at all, past 11/3, with my Reg Deer Tag. So now I have to choose to hunt MD or WT. Sounds trivial to the guy from WA complaining because he can't drive over the border and shoot a WT, when he has NO option to hunt in his own state, but what is really fair? I don't know, but it isn't gonna get easier.
I don't know what the solution is, but it is highly unlikely we will see less pressure from general demand to hunt. What is also at hand and impacting our hunting experience is a drop in deer numbers, and what may be a future drop in elk. Why the drop, well I'm not positive. My uneducated, but experienced guess is that the many many fires across our wintering grounds has dropped carrying capacity. Add that to some bad winters, and the deer are struggling to recover. More guys, myself included, are more adept at spotting and killing deer and elk farther away as well.
I hate change, with a passion, and I have the gray hairs to prove it. But, it's coming one way or another so we better find a way to embrace it, adapt to it, etc.
I know that, like I started out saying, I think a lot of you are right, in what you think. I don't think most of the people who complain on MM are right in general though, because it seems most think there is a simple solution for IDFG to make to fix it all, such as: Point system or limit tags or raise NR fees or raise Res fees or something. Yes, there are some changes to help distribute opportunity or limit take and they should be debated and some made, BUT the biggest thing that we will have a difficult time fixing is Mother Nature.
Noxious weeds, bad winters, disease(bighorns), etc have more impact on our herds than anything else. Unless we stop expansion of our civilization, that too will forever increasingly limit our herds. So even if we could stop growing the number of hunters in each state, we won't stop the long slow decline of our hunting opportunity, so prep yourself.
The good news is that, unlike MANY other countries where the idea of big game hunting on public land is a "myth", we have lots of it and we will see upswings in herds, at times, so we need to understand that and take advantage when we can, when the herds experience some upswings, when you can draw a tag, when you are still young and healthy.
So, my point, keep up the debate, but prep for change and don't take what you have for granted!
I like to shoot mature animals, so opportunity isn't my top priority, that is until I can't hunt every year!!
My best friend is not a resident, though he's trying very hard to get his wife to agree to a move. So, even as a resident that has seen a lot of new pressure from people from CA/WA/OR/UT and so I wouldn't mind making my life easier, but it's at the cost of my best buddy, so no win win.
It's a little embarrassing how I feel sometimes when I see the WA and UT plates, in particular, parked at my trailheads. Mostly because I know these guys don't have "our" access to hunting and are here leveraging off "our" herds because they choose to live somewhere that can't provide them the opportunity we have. I think, over time, you have to realize, how do we not end up there ourselves. Well, the new rule is meant for NR's, and as a resident that sounds fair, but eventually it's unlikely it doesn't hit us. Well, maybe it has.
I have bought a second tag, strictly for WT, about 8 of the last 10 yrs. I couldn't this year, as none were available. I was SHOCKED! Do I buy a second tag to be greedy and kill 2 deer. Hell no. I've never killed 2 deer in a year and that's by design. There very different experiences for me and as I get pickier about my MD, and frankly it get's harder to hunt them where mature deer live, I like the more relaxed opportunity WT give. But, things changed, first with a shorter WT season, and now with no season at all, past 11/3, with my Reg Deer Tag. So now I have to choose to hunt MD or WT. Sounds trivial to the guy from WA complaining because he can't drive over the border and shoot a WT, when he has NO option to hunt in his own state, but what is really fair? I don't know, but it isn't gonna get easier.
I don't know what the solution is, but it is highly unlikely we will see less pressure from general demand to hunt. What is also at hand and impacting our hunting experience is a drop in deer numbers, and what may be a future drop in elk. Why the drop, well I'm not positive. My uneducated, but experienced guess is that the many many fires across our wintering grounds has dropped carrying capacity. Add that to some bad winters, and the deer are struggling to recover. More guys, myself included, are more adept at spotting and killing deer and elk farther away as well.
I hate change, with a passion, and I have the gray hairs to prove it. But, it's coming one way or another so we better find a way to embrace it, adapt to it, etc.
I know that, like I started out saying, I think a lot of you are right, in what you think. I don't think most of the people who complain on MM are right in general though, because it seems most think there is a simple solution for IDFG to make to fix it all, such as: Point system or limit tags or raise NR fees or raise Res fees or something. Yes, there are some changes to help distribute opportunity or limit take and they should be debated and some made, BUT the biggest thing that we will have a difficult time fixing is Mother Nature.
Noxious weeds, bad winters, disease(bighorns), etc have more impact on our herds than anything else. Unless we stop expansion of our civilization, that too will forever increasingly limit our herds. So even if we could stop growing the number of hunters in each state, we won't stop the long slow decline of our hunting opportunity, so prep yourself.
The good news is that, unlike MANY other countries where the idea of big game hunting on public land is a "myth", we have lots of it and we will see upswings in herds, at times, so we need to understand that and take advantage when we can, when the herds experience some upswings, when you can draw a tag, when you are still young and healthy.
So, my point, keep up the debate, but prep for change and don't take what you have for granted!
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Good post BPK. Change is coming our way.The new NR rules will placate some folks for a while, but deep in the back of everyone’s mind , we all know there is a bigger problem. For the most part ,I have stopped hunting general mule deer. I would rather donate my time to IFG volunteer projects during October and hit whitetail in November. I encourage all to participate in the open houses coming up this winter/spring.
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The new NR rules will really do little or nothing to decrease crowding. I challenge anyone to try to prove me wrong on this point. The new rules will make some residents feel better to "stick it" to the nonresidents.
There are really only two solutions for residents that feel hunting units are overcrowded.
#1 Limit resident hunting
#2 Accept overcrowding so that opportunity can be preserved.
Personally I think nonresidents should not get more than 10% of the tags in high demand elk zones like Diamond Creek or Sawtooth. So I do think limiting nonresident in certain elk zones was a step in the right direction. Giving close to 40% of the Diamond Creek zone tags to nonresidents before residents even had a chance to buy a tag a few years ago was a very bad PR move by the Fish and Game. If I was a resident that hunted Diamond Creek every year I would still be bitter about that.
Unfortunately the demand for Diamond Creek and Sawtooth tags will continue to increase and they will likely end up as controlled hunts. Eventually all the other general deer and elk units will also go to draw only. Idaho's general season deer will soon end up just like Utah's "general season" deer (draw a tag or don't hunt). It may take less than 5 years to see some significant restrictions to resident hunting in Idaho but don't expect opportunity to improve for residents in Idaho over the next decade.
I don't expect nonresident hunting opportunity to get much worse in Idaho over the next 10 years than what is being implemented in 2021. Resident opportunity is not going to be as good in 2030 as it is in 2021. Enjoy the opportunity while it lasts.
There are really only two solutions for residents that feel hunting units are overcrowded.
#1 Limit resident hunting
#2 Accept overcrowding so that opportunity can be preserved.
Personally I think nonresidents should not get more than 10% of the tags in high demand elk zones like Diamond Creek or Sawtooth. So I do think limiting nonresident in certain elk zones was a step in the right direction. Giving close to 40% of the Diamond Creek zone tags to nonresidents before residents even had a chance to buy a tag a few years ago was a very bad PR move by the Fish and Game. If I was a resident that hunted Diamond Creek every year I would still be bitter about that.
Unfortunately the demand for Diamond Creek and Sawtooth tags will continue to increase and they will likely end up as controlled hunts. Eventually all the other general deer and elk units will also go to draw only. Idaho's general season deer will soon end up just like Utah's "general season" deer (draw a tag or don't hunt). It may take less than 5 years to see some significant restrictions to resident hunting in Idaho but don't expect opportunity to improve for residents in Idaho over the next decade.
I don't expect nonresident hunting opportunity to get much worse in Idaho over the next 10 years than what is being implemented in 2021. Resident opportunity is not going to be as good in 2030 as it is in 2021. Enjoy the opportunity while it lasts.
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We would, our home unit.
We kill elk (and Deer every year) right on our own ranch. Wife got hers right behind the shop/garage opening morning of cow season, I got my elk right next door on neighbor's ranch. We're thankful we made the decisons we did to escape the human insect horde about 15years ago. We 'tough it out' grin by traveling an hour+ round trip for a gallon of milk or gas, we have no cell service other than satellite wifi...wouldn't have it any other way.
Screw society. Want the dream? Plan now, make it happen. BUY LAND. Life is short.
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Yeah I e never been interested is shooting anything of my lawn. Had a place fir years with deer and elk all over it. Never **** one or even considered it. I hunt fir far different reasons then just to kill. To each there own but that’s not remotely appealing to me
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This suns it up. Perfectly has, nothing to do with overcrowding or improveing quality
And everything to do with residents being butt hurt because they can't get a, second tag, because all those pesky non residents are buying up all the available NON RESIDENT tags
ABSALUTELY sinful how dare the non residents
Buy tags, even worse not only buy them but actually go to Idaho and fill them
I LIKE IT!
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Says the guy who just complained about how many hunters there was on a controlled hunt.
LOL
LOL
It is a very small amount of residents who ever even bought “second” tags and none have been available the last two years anyway. Take a ride into any drainage in the Lemhi, Beaverhead, Island Park, Salmon drainages in September. All you will see is camps of NR who stay the whole month hunting elk. It is out of control. No other state allows a relative free for all on their best elk units to NR at such a cheap price. What a bunch of entitled pussies. If you want to hunt elk in Wyoming general? Best you could do is every 4 years. Y’all over there crying a river too? Give me a break. Hunt elsewhere and for gods sake, do not move here.
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I moved to Idaho in 2018...the biggest problem I've seen is massive resident pressure! Nothing will change in Idaho until resident tags are drastically reduced and put on draw...IMO.
You are part of the problem! Sons a bitches moving here, demanding a piece of the pie and screaming about too many hunters! Find another hobby!
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I didn't demand anything...nor has any of it affected me, I hunt limited / controlled hunts every year with no pressure and no crowding!
People moving to "your" Idaho isn't gonna change because you throw a little hissy fit on MM. The real problem is residents like you who think you're "entitled" (demanding) to a tag every year, despite the growing population and shrinking game numbers! All Idaho tags should be put on draw for residents...then maybe game management can flourish!
In one breath you say residents are to blame for all the crowding and then you hunt hunts that have no crowding...I hate the extreme hunting pressure nonresidents put on out herds, but have always maintained that the true threat is “I moved here from (insert state) for the hunting and fishing” Destroying Idaho. No kidding it won’t change from a mm rant. I wish there was an answer, but there isn’t. There will come a day where residents will not be able to hunt every year, and the blame falls on people just like you
Blindnonresident
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Oh Boo Hoo.
Welcome to the USA.
Grab the fam and head back to your families native land if you don't like the population growth in our country.
Blame??????
Get out of my sand box and quit playing with my toys you evil global hunter!!!!
LOL
Still laughing.
Welcome to the USA.
Grab the fam and head back to your families native land if you don't like the population growth in our country.
Blame??????
Get out of my sand box and quit playing with my toys you evil global hunter!!!!
LOL
Still laughing.
Mallards_Only
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No, the REAL problem is people moving here from the states that they f-ed up and bringing their liberal attitudes with them turning ID into another f-ed up state. You know what made ID great? A reasonable population and ample game opportunity. You know what's gonna make it not-so-great? People like you moving here, wanting to put everything on a draw when, as residents, we used to be able to have great OTC hunting.
KickrBuk
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So anyone have an idea how to stop all the people moving into Idaho ??? Limit all the residents as well and maybe people who hunt wouldn’t pick ID as there new home , But wait can’t do that , might not get your tag , so it’s a catch 22 , good luck stopping everyone til then tough titty , the sun will come up tomorrow
huntcrazyinCA
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Im moving to Idaho now to! Cant wait!!! All the tags I could ever dream of! For CHEAP!!!!!
Globalhunter
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How communist of you...and to think I / others dare to move to Idaho (free state / country) without the permission of KING IDbulls!? ? ?
I was commenting on his “I moved here in 2018 and the resident crowding is a problem” bit. The move ins alone in the last 3-4 years are a larger pool of hunters than the NR allocation. The game and fish had to make a move. It starts with NR. Soon residents will be seeing more restrictions (as well we should for deer), mainly due to the rapid migration from other states. Hell, I don’t blame them for moving. The coast states suck. Same for most of Utah. Just see yourself for the problem you are contributing to.
Did I say anyone needed my or any others permission? See yourself for what you are. A transplant who is contributing to the crowding in the hills and on the rivers. Long time residents can’t help but have some resentment, but nothing we can do about it.
And yeah, I believe residents are entitled to deer and elk tags every year as long as game populations allow. This should come before any NR tags are considered. The game belongs to the state of Idaho.
Globalhunter
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I don't hunt your precious OTC tags, never have...never will! Total waste of time!
Regardless of your "feelings", the state's population has grown substantially...and that's likely to continue, thus capping the tags and moving to a draw system is inevitable. Nobody specifically is to "blame"...its reality of life - things always change. Those who succeed learn to adapt...
Globalhunter
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I personally don't contribute to over-crowding...I'd never hunt an OTC tag in Idaho, but I have seen what it looks like!
Perhaps part of the problem is as you say, your "entitlement" mentality? Hunting big game isn't an entitlement, its a privilege!
If the game belongs to the state, wouldn't that include new residents as much as old? Those who pay taxes and contribute just as you?
Hunting is a right in the state of Idaho. Look it up. Yes, new and old residents get the benefits of state residence, in regards to access to tags and prices, but you are still a transplant. Resident with an asterisk
grizzly
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Everyone is a transplant, easily identifiably so if you have European Ancestry. In reality though, even Native Americans migrated to the Americas.
Beyond that it's only a discussion of relativism.
SE Utah is my favorite example... The "locals" consider themselves only to be relatives of the first white settlers to the area, but I've never heard a "local" refer to a Navajo with that definition even though their relatives were definitely there long before.
grizzly
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And the land the game largely lives on belongs to the residents of Massachusetts and Oregon as much as you. That's gotta sting... sharing all that National Forest and BLM land with somebody from Illinois!
I've never seen somebody build themselves such a pedestal for the State of Idaho. You sound like a Texan.
They have the Alamo, a battle they lost; and you have a potato on a trailer ?
You might wanna hop down and realize we all own federal land together and we're all nonresidents in 49 states.
And you can come camp, hike, meditate all you want on any of that federal land. Feel free. It doesn’t give you equal rights to the fish and game that live on that land with residents of the state. Sorry, that’s the law.
grizzly
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Sure it does, if I buy a tag. Same as you and everybody else. The rules are the same for all tag holders. We all have the same seasons.
I've bought Idaho tags every year for the last two decades but the quality is horrific so I won't be hunting there next year. However, a resident will pick up my tag so there will be no fewer animals taken. It's a stupid way to manage wildlife.
You can keep with your resentment of people being predicated on a license plate, but Idaho's management has a lot bigger issues than that. They need to focus on the animals and not the home address of the people if they want to turn things around.
andrew12gauge
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Somebody hit on the real problem a ways up this thread, the reality is the world population is growing out of control not just in Idaho, everywhere. Then we had a pandemic come up that takes out the elderly and the weak like nature usually does. I know this isn’t the “right” thing to say but maybe instead of government mandated shutdowns we should’ve let everybody choose how they wanted to handle the situation themselves and let the virus take its course. I’d be willing to bet I can outlast most of the folk just due to how little I actually interact with people on a daily basis and by the time we were done developing a vaccine maybe we could’ve cut 3-5% of the world population
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If you wanna hunt out west you gotta go thru some hoops. Deal with it or don't hunt out here. Idk how alot of guys manage in there hunts with how much whining is done about the tag acquiring processes in the different states.
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