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Day one, glassed up 8 six points bye noon. Biggest probably 340 type bull. Lots of bugles. Nothing really in a good spot to stalk. Evening hunt had a good six point with 15 or so cows in a good spot on a flat close to a creek with scattered willows and junipers. We slipped up to 70 yards from the edge of the herd. The bull started screaming and chasing off satellites. Man it was looking solid until an unseen spike got down wind and blew the whole freaking thing up. Day one done!
 
Day two morning hunt. We had bedded a nice 6 point bull by himself on a mahogany hillside. We planned the route and moved in. It was fairly open terrain I closed the gap to about 125yds and one swirl of wind and he was gone. Mid day had a 6 x club bedded but I passed on a stalk waiting for a slick 6 point.
Evening hunt sat a meadow with a creek seen 6 bulls closest was a 5 point at 30 yards. Lots of bugles. Made it hard to sleep last night with bugles ringing in my ears.
 
Day three, slowest morning so far. Seen 3 bulls going across a flat and into the timber. We let them settle down and went to them but they never responded to our calls or relocate them with glass. Midday was hot and no activity. Eve sat near water had a decent 6 point come to 100yards but would get into bow range he bugled plenty so that was fun.
 
Hunt day four....
Glassed for bulls in the morning, didn’t put anything to bed. Seen a lot of bulls and cows in a big rut frenzy across the fence. Mid day walked black timber calling with out any action. Then driving to a get to a glassing point we seen three cows so we continued driving over the ridge. Went back to them and glassed up the bull with them he looked good so the stalk was on. I got to 25 yards and it looked like the spotters gave me the bull is standing signal. I could see his rack. As I maneuvered to expose his chest he stood up and whirled without opportunity. Evening hunt was a bust.
 
Day 5 of the hunt my last day of my hunt. Great morning trailed behind a herd for a couple miles hoping to get a shot as he ran off satellites. Could only get him to 70 yards had a few satellites in range but they just didn’t do it for me. We planned to be back to the saddle where we last seen them for the evening hunt if need be. One last time walked black timber midday. Had one bull answer a bugle less than 100yds away. I got set up as my buddy and guide stayed back to call. After an hour of silence we decided to push forward. Went probably 50 yards and ran right in to the bull. He whirled and was gone. Evening hunt made our way back to saddle from the morning hunt and our bull was already there bugling and pushing cows. We set up down wind and waited for him to come down the same canyon he wen up that morning. We had some cows bedded 70 yards away and thought we we in the chips. We were not though, we couldn’t see it but our big bull gathered some other cows and took a different drainage out w/o saying a peep. After an hour a 5pt got the bedded cows up. We worked up the drainage away from that group to chase some bugles further up. Once we got close to the bugles I could see two 6pts and a spike. I was sneaking down on the 6pts when they started fight. I stood up and walked right at them. I got to 45 yards as they separated I drew back. Everything looked good but I didn’t shoot they just weren’t the caliber of bull I wanted. So that was it, I walked back to the truck with a smile on my face and a ton of new memories. Great hunt but the big one eluded me. Thanks for reading.
 
Better go back for rifle season. It is open until Nov. 20 in there. Surely your outfitter can work you in. It's worth it. That's too good a tag to eat.
 
Went back to unit 7 with a lifetime buddy of mine for his rifle hunts a tag-a-long. We hunted with the same outfitter I archery hunted with. Opening day first seen a decent 6 PT he had good time length but was narrow he got a free pass since it was the first morning. Throughout the day we seen 13 bulls 5 of which were 6 pts but not he wanted on the first day.
 
Just to add we had some morning and evening bugles. It was great to have some rut action. They were really screaming on the evening hunt on day one.
 
Day two of five day hunt
Had a great morning got on a herd of screaming bulls, had 5 bulls in the group with several cows looked over and passed on the bulls. Glassed up a better bull and watched him walk into a bowl of black timber with several bulls and cows.
Midday make it our way to the glassing spot we bumped two bulls that got out of their beds at 20yd no shots fired. No elk found glassing so went to set up on the elk we seen in the am to wait for them to come out to feed. We seen the herd we passed up on the in am but the other herd never emerged from the black timber before dark. Oh I almost forgot we had 50mph wind gust from 10am til dark.
 
Day 3 of our 5 day hunt. Morning hunt we had some bugles to fallow and ended up getting between two bulls. As we sat quietly one nice 6 point came to 25 yards. Man I wish I had that during the archery season. Dennis thought about taking it but I talked him out of it while thinking in the back of my mind I hope I don’t regret this. Evening hunt was slow seen some bulls on the neighbors.
 
Day 4 of the 5 day hunt. Woke up to a low ceiling of fog and some snow. Visibility was from 100yd to 1/4 mile as fog rolled in and out. At we parked the truck I could hear elk clashing of antlers not too far away and a bugle. We got the wind right and pushed forward listening to the bulls fight and multiple bugles. Quickly as we approached we cut tracks and fresh beds. As we approached the first ridge we could see elk through the fog a couple hundred yards away. The two fighters came apart and walked dead away with us in pursuit. They dropped into a draw to our right while a group of elk were calling to our left we switched gears to see what that bull looked like. He was screaming his head off and it sounded awesome. The kind of bugle that just sounds like a big one. They were in scattered pines in a bowl strung out from 200-300 yards. Dennis had an itchy trigger finger and when I seen this bull for the first time I knew he’d like to harvest it. He looked like a mature bull with one of the better racks we’ve seen. Once Dennis seen the bull the safety flipped forward and his index finger pressured the trigger. The bull took two steps before bullet number 2 planted him for good. Twelve years of point accumulation and elk hunting dreams came full circle as my hunting partner killed his first bull elk.
 
3404barrel said:
Day 4 of the 5 day hunt. Woke up to a low ceiling of fog and some snow. Visibility was from 100yd to 1/4 mile as fog rolled in and out. At we parked the truck I could hear elk clashing of antlers not too far away and a bugle. We got the wind right and pushed forward listening to the bulls fight and multiple bugles. Quickly as we approached we cut tracks and fresh beds. As we approached the first ridge we could see elk through the fog a couple hundred yards away. The two fighters came apart and walked dead away with us in pursuit. They dropped into a draw to our right while a group of elk were calling to our left we switched gears to see what that bull looked like. He was screaming his head off and it sounded awesome. The kind of bugle that just sounds like a big one. They were in scattered pines in a bowl strung out from 200-300 yards. Dennis had an itchy trigger finger and when I seen this bull for the first time I knew he’d like to harvest it. He looked like a mature bull with one of the better racks we’ve seen. Once Dennis seen the bull the safety flipped forward and his index finger pressured the trigger. The bull took two steps before bullet number 2 planted him for good. Twelve years of point accumulation and elk hunting dreams came full circle as my hunting partner killed his first bull elk.
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great thread need the pic to complete it Congrats I have the points to draw this unit maybe next year or the year after
 
The other elk hunter on the ranch killed on day two. So I asked the outfitter if I could harvest one if the opportunity presented itself. He said no due to there was another hunter coming to the ranch next week and did not want another bull harvested and I understood we were having a hard time turning up a big bull. So with Dennis’s bull harvested and loaded we headinback to the lodge. The guide and I in one truck Dennis and the outfitter in the other. Still snowing, blowing and foggy we led the way back to the lodge. As we rounded a corner the guide spotted a couple cows in a creek bottom 150 yards away (a great spot with our weather conditions). We backed up to get a better look and I seen a rag horn walk into some willows. We pulled ahead to see if the elk were coming out of the creek. The outfitter seen us stopped and pulled up behind us. We told him what we seen, then I asked him if I could shoot a cow elk. He said that would be alright so I skipped back to the truck to get my gear on and grabbed Dennis’s rifle.
 
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Cool bull, really like that split brow.
By rifle opener those bulls tend to get broken up in 7.
I think the look on his face is something else all together highfastflyer.
Congrats to your friend.
 
After I skipped back to the truck and put on my gear. The guide came over to the truck and told me the outfitter said I could shoot a bull. Hotdog I thought to myself! We quickly cut Elk tracks in the snow and followed them. Through the fog we could hear Elk bugling ahead of us. We pushed hard and fast to catch up with them and then we saw it 100 yards ahead of us, the property boundary. The elk beat us to safety but it was still awesome we did hear hundreds of bugles that morning and a 1/4 mile more of real estate would have ended with a whack....I’m sure of it. We headed back to the lodge to skin and debone Dennis’s bull.
 
The last day of the hunt Dennis and I hunted some NF in the morning and the outfitter was going to meet us at the ranch at 1pm. The NF ground did not have much sign on it though we did turn up 6 or so muley does. At 1 we met the outfitter loaded into his rig and took off to glass. We hadn’t gone far before spotting 40 head on a bald knob. The herd had a rag horn and couple spikes. As we glassed I told the outfitter I would choose to shoot a cow over the raghorn. Just then a bugle rang out between the herd and our glassing point. As we worked our way down a finger ridge and peering over the top there were another 40 plus head bedded on the hill side. We spotted 8 other bulls. Three of them were 6 pts the outfitter and I agreed on the one that looked most mature. I bellycrawled into prone position for the shot and waited for him to stand up. After an hour or so the bull was one of the first elk on his feet. He turned broadside and I nudged the safety off. At the recoil I could see my bull crumple where he stood it was 3pm. Thank you Mr. outfitter and you guys for reading my dream hunt.
 
Lots of reasons, maybe the ranch doesn't want a bunch of calls.
Pretty sure an illegal outfitter in area 7 would not last long, GWs are on it up there.
Perhaps he thinks some need to do their own research or doesn't want folks to know how much this hunt cost him.
 
wytex said:
Lots of reasons, maybe the ranch doesn't want a bunch of calls.
Pretty sure an illegal outfitter in area 7 would not last long, GWs are on it up there.
Perhaps he thinks some need to do their own research or doesn't want folks to know how much this hunt cost him.
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Tell me more area 7 is my back yard id love to hear all about what you know
 
oilcan said:
If that’s the case he probably shouldn’t have started this post. Just stands to reason if he has success people are going to ask questions about it.
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I get your point, but I would not throw out a broad statement about illegal outfitting unless I knew something.
Lots of outfitters in 7 that can get you on a big bull, but most locals know those elk don't stay put except for the really large ranches.
Some trespass fee hunting to be found, do your homework.


sent you a om Bookhead
 
wytex said:
I get your point, but I would not throw out a broad statement about illegal outfitting unless I knew something.
Lots of outfitters in 7 that can get you on a big bull, but most locals know those elk don't stay put except for the really large ranches.
Some trespass fee hunting to be found, do your homework.


sent you a om Bookhead
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Well I never said anything about illegal outfitting.
 
I will tell you this much about the outfitter and the guide. They are very upstanding gentlemen and would not break any game laws at all. Maybe they asked not to share their names. This was a tough year for lots on the mountain because of the dry weather and the early snow.
 
My take on this is that every outfitter wants free advertising and positive client testimonials. What is the reason would the OP not give out the outfitters name, especially after getting to kill a bull after his hunt?

Bookhead may not be far off in his assumption, IMO.
 
The whole thing sounds extremely suspicious to me, way to evasive on certain things I agree with some on here there is defineately something illegal that took. Place whether it be Takeing a bull when not haveing the tag to do so
To the bull being taken on property they didn't have permission to hunt we will never truely know
But there is defineately an illegal element to this
 
Well I’ve never heard of an outfitter who didn’t want their information given out especially when it is on a positive outcome. And if their OP doesn’t want to give out the information thanking he is protecting his own interest that’s ridiculous. He may never draw the tag again unless he gets lucky in the random it’ll take another 15 years probably.
 
Really not hard to find the outfitter or pics of both bulls.
I have no idea why he wants it that way but I will not out them so to speak.
 
Lol. I love this thread. Great bull. Congrats. Good job. You shot him illegally! As elk assassin would say.....Judas!!!!!!
 
Anybody else got anything to show for unit 7 ? Love to see some more Bulls before I put in there.Thanks Guys Lets see em..............BULL!
 
Again I firmly believe the outfitter and the op
Were hunting illegally or took illegal animals they didn't have tags for
The outfitter not wanting his name mentioned
After what seems according to pics a, successful hunt is a defineate red flag to me
This, whole ordeal smells, rotten
 
Not the same bull
Horns in the picture above are not even close
To the horns on the bull in the first Pic
Look really closely not the same horns not the same bull
 
Ultimag,
Is this similar to the ”wrong animal from Taxidermist“ thread where you were sure the taxidermist was lying about the bear and should be sued?
You seem to jump to conclusions that you can’t verify. Show us your facts; or is this just another hunch?
You “firmly believe” that the OP was there for 5 days in archery season and then came back in rifle season and didn’t even have a valid tag? That seems pretty unlikely to me.

As for the outfitter, does anyone no who the outfitter is/was?
 
Elk mt outfitters, wagon hound outfitters, just had a friend come back from wagon hound, he said the bulls were really busted up this year, brittle horns from lack of water and drought. Interesting story
 
hawkbill said:
Elk mt outfitters, wagon hound outfitters, just had a friend come back from wagon hound, he said the bulls were really busted up this year, brittle horns from lack of water and drought. Interesting story
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WagonHound owns THOUSANDS of acres in elk unit 7/deer unit 65. I cant speak for their guide service but alot of land they own I would imagine to be primo for both species.
 
Ultimag the outfitter has pics if both bulls posted on his FB page. Don't know why he doesn't want it posted here but I found it in about 5 minutes of looking online. He is well respected outfitter and by no means illegal, give it a break !

I believe it hawkbill, it was extremely dry last part of spring and all summer in that area. Range is in rough shape right now, need some moisture badly.
 
Good job, nice bulls!

But... hard to believe people would pay $10K+ to kill bulls I would think twice about on a public land WY general tag. I know they kill a few good bulls(330+) every year, but most of the bulls I see pics of are 300ish bulls. Too me that is worth the price of gas in WY. If you can't kill a 300ish bull with a general tag you really we not hunting.
 
I haven't been on MM since mid September when our hunters started arriving. 14-16 hour days limit my internet time. And posts like this are why I seldom come here any longer. Negative speculation, What a sad state of affairs. When you don't know something, start throwing stones and think the absolute worst.

I've been guiding hunters and working my regular job like crazy for over 60 days. I'm headed to Colorado for a hunt in a few minutes, then to Kansas. But here are the facts about this hunt. I took these fine gents out. Great guys and a fun time. I've been a legally licensed outfitter for 33 years here in Wyoming. Have also been licensed in Colorado, New Mexico and have outfitted in Nebraska and Texas. Never had a black mark on my record. Check with any of those entities.

This ranch in area 7 is for sale. You can buy it if you pay the $17.8 million they are asking. I will not be hunting there again. I used to lease 3 big contiguous ranches in area 7. Now they are gone. This one will likely also be sold to a very wealthy out of state owner. I've never been able to keep a lease after a sale of that sort. So we are done in area 7, after 30+ years.

I'm going to be 68 next month. I'm quitting my regular job then of the year. I'm gonna slow down. a bit. We will still guide elk in other areas, and maybe a cow or two in 7.

We will still lease over 100,000 acres and have BLM, FS and state permits for millions of acres. That's enough. I don't need any notoriety or a bunch of people calling me wanting area 7 elk hunts. Our deer hunts are full for my lifetime. I'm on the third generation of those hunters. I'm loyal to them and they are loyal to us. I still help a lot of people who don't want to hunt with an outfitter. I've done that for decades. I've now hunted my beloved Wyoming in 6 different decades. But I am slowing down.

Please take your negativity and channel it elsewhere. No need to point it at me. Feel free to call the Wyo Board of Outfitters or check with any of the big-name consultants who have sent us hunters for a very long time. They'll tell you we have a small operation that's based on honesty, integrity, courtesy and respect. Heck, feel free to call me. Lots of people do.

It's a sad state of affairs when I have to waste time on this. I'm off to an adventure and hope to stack up a big buck or two. In years past, I might share them here., Won't happen now because somebody will start throwing stones about something.

MM should be a place where we come to support one another and share. Not where we waste our time defending ourselves from negative speculation. My best to the kind and helpful people here.
 
ICMDEER, you have always been a stand up guy. Try to brush the negativity off. There is always some Jack wagon that has to start 5hit. Thanks for all the help and advice you give on this site. Enjoy your out of state hunts.
 
Well said sir !
I know you are a stand up guy.
Sad to hear of the ranches selling out .

Hope that crow tastes good guys, you deserve it.
 
ICMDEER
I know you are a standup guy Jim, but you might lay some of the blame on how your client wrote his story and evaded questions on the post. It seems to me he was having a little fun at your expense.
 
The responses on this thread are overwhelmingly positive. There are a couple posts by one guy who seems to call everyone a liar, and one post from someone asking why you wouldn't want some advertisement. Doesn't seem too negative to me. Good luck with the rest of your hunts.
 
HiMtnHntr said:
Huh. Now I believe everyone would like to see some of those general bulls. Start a new thread.
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Wasn't trying to be a wise guy, only trying to say $11k on the Wagonhound seems like a lot. For that(which I would never pay), I'd want a real shot at a 380" bull like I'd expect in NM.

Here is a general bull I hunted 1 day for in WY this year. Yes, I could have found better, but I was with my 73 year old dad, who I found out a week later was suffering from a 100% clogged artery and had a stroke when we got back.

NW Wyoming General season bull

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jm77 said:
ICMDEER
I know you are a standup guy Jim, but you might lay some of the blame on how your client wrote his story and evaded questions on the post. It seems to me he was having a little fun at
jm77 said:
ICMDEER
I know you are a standup guy Jim, but you might lay some of the blame on how your client wrote his story and evaded questions on the post. It seems to me he was having a little fun at your expense.
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Please re-read post 48,49 and 52. Seems like Jim answer your questions. Which coincides with post 49. Anyway the hunt was fun and the expense was all my. I’ll send you my bank statement to prove it...LOLDA
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Hey Jim, I understand. 98% of the guys on here are helpful and fun to chat with. In every crowd there's that 2% though. Don't let them spoil it for the rest of us. We appreciate your thoughtful comments and I hope you'll change your mind and share a picture or 2 when you've finished your hunts. Chip
 
elkocd said:
Wasn't trying to be a wise guy, only trying to say $11k on the Wagonhound seems like a lot. For that(which I would never pay), I'd want a real shot at a 380" bull like I'd expect in NM.

Here is a general bull I hunted 1 day for in WY this year. Yes, I could have found better, but I was with my 73 year old dad, who I found out a week later was suffering from a 100% clogged artery and had a stroke when we got back.

NW Wyoming General season bull

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Great story! Thanks.
 
jm77 said:
My take on this is that every outfitter wants free advertising and positive client testimonials. What is the reason would the OP not give out the outfitters name, especially after getting to kill a bull after his hunt?

Bookhead may not be far off in his assumption, IMO.
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This is not true. I guide and have for quite some time. I have my own Monday-Friday business with a website, but do not advertise that I provide guiding service. In my situation the ranch brings me the clients and then I guide them on their ranch.
 
Bwht4x4 said:
This is not true. I guide and have for quite some time. I have my own Monday-Friday business with a website, but do not advertise that I provide guiding service. In my situation the ranch brings me the clients and then I guide them on their ranch.
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So are you a licensed outfitter?
 

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