Who's drawing G3 this year?

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I'm finally out of the running! Maybe a sheep tag this year?

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Paul_Crawford said:
ME!!!!

Brad, how are things in Tehachapi?

Brooks, how was the venison? lol Uncle Paul
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Going good, can’t complain but it wouldn’t matter anyway. Drew that Colorado Tag 3rd season. So we will see how that goes. How is everything in your neck of the woods? Draw anything so far?
 
Paul_Crawford said:
Did you draw 33 or 70?

Nothing. Buying a deer voucher for 70.

When is the CA draw? PC
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Unit 33

The draw closed on the 2nd for California and they have to have the results by the 17th I believe but we normally get them about 5-7 days after the draw so I’m think Monday or Tuesday of this upcoming week but I’m not to concerned as I already know what I drew before the draw.... nothing but a d zone tag haha.
 
Last year, they only took a week from the deadline to post results. They do have the Covid-19 work environment this year......
 
If every top point holder who applied for G3 applied again and nobody else jumps in, it's 274 applicants for 23 tags, roughly 1:12. Not like a sure thing. I'm hoping not too many more max sheep points applications pile on the White Mountains for odds. 123 applicants for 5 tags is almost 1:25 for a desert sheep tag:) I have two good deer hunts (NV and CO) so I'm pulling for sheep. Someone here should get my G3 tag this year:)
 
ElmerFudd said:
If every top point holder who applied for G3 applied again and nobody else jumps in, it's 274 applicants for 23 tags, roughly 1:12. Not like a sure thing. I'm hoping not too many more max sheep points applications pile on the White Mountains for odds. 123 applicants for 5 tags is almost 1:25 for a desert sheep tag:) I have two good deer hunts (NV and CO) so I'm pulling for sheep. Someone here should get my G3 tag this year:)
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Well I have max pts for sheep, but didn't put in for the whites.
 
ElmerFudd said:
If every top point holder who applied for G3 applied again and nobody else jumps in, it's 274 applicants for 23 tags, roughly 1:12. Not like a sure thing. I'm hoping not too many more max sheep points applications pile on the White Mountains for odds. 123 applicants for 5 tags is almost 1:25 for a desert sheep tag:) I have two good deer hunts (NV and CO) so I'm pulling for sheep. Someone here should get my G3 tag this year:)
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Odds with max pts.white mtn is 1/123, 2nd tag 1/122, ect. Your odds are not 123 divided by 5.
 
Sierra said:
So November, what odds are you coming up with for him drawing a white mtn tag?
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I have max pts as well. 5 max pts tags.if 123 max guys put in your odds are 1 in 123 on the first tag, 1 in 122 on the 2nd tag, ect. Less than 1%.
 
Huh? A person is out once they draw. I think you are thinking about odds to draw multiple prizes in a raffle. Dividing the number of tags by the number in is a pretty close approximation for the way this draw works with the numbers here.
 
ElmerFudd said:
Huh? A person is out once they draw. I think you are thinking about odds to draw multiple prizes in a raffle. Dividing the number of tags by the number in is a pretty close approximation for the way this draw works with the numbers here.
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Nope, the computer assigns random numbers to the max point guys, you need to get #1 thru 5 assigned.if 125 max point guys are in the pool your odds of getting 5 or lower are less then 1%.
 
ElmerFudd said:
Huh? A person is out once they draw. I think you are thinking about odds to draw multiple prizes in a raffle. Dividing the number of tags by the number in is a pretty close approximation for the way this draw works with the numbers here.
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The computer assigns #1 out of 123 guys, then #2 out of 122 guys and so on to 5. If you have max pts now and they issue 5 max pt tags every year, assuming 123 guys put in you would draw in the next 23 years. I have put in for whites for 37 years, took me 25 years for a tule bull tag. Nm, az,,nv. have better odds as an nr vs. Ca. As a resident.
 
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You are correct with it being like zero points if you are not maxed,California has the worst draw system in all the states and everyone with max points all try and draw the so called premier Ca hunts,guys still cant get it through their heads that even with max points the odds are not good for these units with such low quotas.California has to do something with the system because they have so many people the point system is unfair, say like a youth hunter applying for the first time at 12years old,the current system is a joke, if he or she were applying for say a Deer unit with only 5 tags,they would have to live to be older than Moses to ever even have a chance,it's a joke.California has to either raise some of these quotas in the premier unit's for all species or you are better off finding a state where you can draw every year for deer and just know you are going and be done with it.As far as the sheep tag or some of the Elk,ya maybe make those a once in a lifetime hunt. But these so called once in a lifetime deer zones give me a break!!!!
 
I have never put in for G3, but I put all four of us in my house in for it this year. We have too many out of state tags already. Fingers crossed with nothing to do in December. Good luck!
 
Sierra said:
November, I think you need to go back to stats class.
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dial up the go hunt app and put in max points, white mtns. they will give you your odds. The super lotto odds are 1/80,000,000. many think a second tickets cuts the odds in half, wrong. the 2nd ticket odds are 1/79,999,999. And i know superlotto is a slightly different draw setup then sheep.
 
the best state is NM, no point system, az. has lots of tags so its a close second.
 
November,
This is not like having a second through fifth entry. It is five prizes for everyone in the top point pool who applied for that hunt. Going into the draw, divide the number of tags allocated to that pool by the number of applicants for that tag and you get the odds of any one applicant to get a tag. If you disagree, show your equations, assumptions and work like in a test back in school. The biggest guess is how applicants jump around between units and points only year to year.
 
novemberforever said:
dial up the go hunt app and put in max points, white mtns. they will give you your odds. The super lotto odds are 1/80,000,000. many think a second tickets cuts the odds in half, wrong. the 2nd ticket odds are 1/79,999,999. And i know superlotto is a slightly different draw setup then sheep.
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I did as you said and looked at GoHunt’s odds and it came to same conclusion: “you need to go back to stats class”!
 
my go hunt says my odds with max pts. is 4.07%. So there is a probability factor by having 5 shots at the golden pingpong ball. Better odds then me sleeping with Kate Upton! goodluck to all.
 
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novemberforever said:
The computer assigns #1 out of 123 guys, then #2 out of 122 guys and so on to 5. If you have max pts now and they issue 5 max pt tags every year, assuming 123 guys put in you would draw in the next 23 years. I have put in for whites for 37 years, took me 25 years for a tule bull tag. Nm, az,,nv. have better odds as an nr vs. Ca. As a resident.
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November is exactly correct. A lot of people make the mistake of dividing the amount of tags by the amount of applications that isn’t the case. What’s the sad part is our odds as nr in pretty much every other state regardless of being max or not in this state, you have better draw odds as a nr than a resident here.
 
oljc said:
You are correct with it being like zero points if you are not maxed,California has the worst draw system in all the states and everyone with max points all try and draw the so called premier Ca hunts,guys still cant get it through their heads that even with max points the odds are not good for these units with such low quotas.California has to do something with the system because they have so many people the point system is unfair, say like a youth hunter applying for the first time at 12years old,the current system is a joke, if he or she were applying for say a Deer unit with only 5 tags,they would have to live to be older than Moses to ever even have a chance,it's a joke.California has to either raise some of these quotas in the premier unit's for all species or you are better off finding a state where you can draw every year for deer and just know you are going and be done with it.As far as the sheep tag or some of the Elk,ya maybe make those a once in a lifetime hunt. But these so called once in a lifetime deer zones give me a break!!!!
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I have been saying the same thing for a while now that California’s draw system is the worst and most pointless system that rewards no one for dedication, personally believe it should modified to be like a Arizona or Nevada draw
 
You can’t draw if you don’t apply plain and simple. As for needing max points that’s just a excuse I have drawn tuly elk tag and lope tag without max points and so has a few of my friends.
 
oilcan said:
+1 I leave those whites for the young guys
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Blessed because@60, my wife and I did the JMt. So not concerned about a white mt. Hunt. Now, in 10 years@71, wearing depends I might hire a guide.lol
 
5÷123 X 100 = 4.07%. it is a guess that the max applicants don't move around. The White Mountains isn't for everyone, but that's better draw odds as a max points resident than probably the sum total of applying as a non-resident in all other states with desert sheep available and 18 points on every state that has points. I'm at mid 20's in NV and AZ. I'm thinking CA gives me my best shot unless I move to AZ, buy the lifetime license then move to NV:)
 
what are my odds of drawing the sheep raffle tag with 10 entries???....that is the important question......
 
ElmerFudd said:
5÷123 X 100 = 4.07%. it is a guess that the max applicants don't move around. The White Mountains isn't for everyone, but that's better draw odds as a max points resident than probably the sum total of applying as a non-resident in all other states with desert sheep available and 18 points on every state that has points. I'm at mid 20's in NV and AZ. I'm thinking CA gives me my best shot unless I move to AZ, buy the lifetime license then move to NV:)
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That’s a pretty good plan right there
 
oljc said:
You are correct with it being like zero points if you are not maxed,California has the worst draw system in all the states and everyone with max points all try and draw the so called premier Ca hunts,guys still cant get it through their heads that even with max points the odds are not good for these units with such low quotas.California has to do something with the system because they have so many people the point system is unfair, say like a youth hunter applying for the first time at 12years old,the current system is a joke, if he or she were applying for say a Deer unit with only 5 tags,they would have to live to be older than Moses to ever even have a chance,it's a joke.California has to either raise some of these quotas in the premier unit's for all species or you are better off finding a state where you can draw every year for deer and just know you are going and be done with it.As far as the sheep tag or some of the Elk,ya maybe make those a once in a lifetime hunt. But these so called once in a lifetime deer zones give me a break!!!!
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I put in for Wyoming. On their webpage it states that they do a 50/50 draw 50 point, 50 random, because they want every hunter to feel that they have a chance. Unlike CA, which doesnt care really. I'm sure the points system here was designed to make hunters give up.

The tag allotments in CA make no sense either. there are more deer in X9a than there are in D13 yet there is a huge disparity in the tag allotments.
 
chrisamx said:
I put in for Wyoming. On their webpage it states that they do a 50/50 draw 50 point, 50 random, because they want every hunter to feel that they have a chance. Unlike CA, which doesnt care really. I'm sure the points system here was designed to make hunters give up.

The tag allotments in CA make no sense either. there are more deer in X9a than there are in D13 yet there is a huge disparity in the tag allotments.
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imo, the x9a tag total has to do with winterkill 2 years ago. not much winter range forage in x9a.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that points systems can and do change. Some states have eliminated them after starting them. If enough have nots complain loud enough to shout down the fewer haves who will cry like babies about it, points systems will change. I am a have for many of the tougher draws like sheep but understand that and realize it is what it is. Realistically, odds of drawing a desert sheep tag in a lifetime of applying everywhere are less than 50:50 unless you live in NV.
 
Wyoming breaks down as this
80% of the total available LQ tags for Residents
The remaining 20% is split 75% preference/25% random for Non residents. Don’t forget landowner tags come off that before drawing.
General Region tags are 75/25 because only NR have to pick a region.
 
Well it was the Tuesday of this week last year the draws came out so it could be anytime now.
 
I drew a desert bighorn tag last year as a nonresident I did have max points still trying to figure out if I had better odds or worse odds than a resident and there was a second nonresident who also drew a sheep tag from what I was told I'm not sure it's fair to the residents of California with so few tags but i can't complain I agree the California draw system is terrible
 
buckspotter7 said:
No, it’s been 75/25 since they started point system. Utah is 50/50
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When I first applied in 2018 I thought it said it was 50/50 on their website? Anyway, I see where its 75/25 now, however, I still wrote them for clarification.

On a side note, I wonder how much revenue States that sell points, like WY, are making off hunters?

Personally, I hate points systems and think it ultimately causes a division among hunters, especially in CA. It may be one of the reasons why we are losing so many hunters here.
 
chrisamx said:
When I first applied in 2018 I thought it said it was 50/50 on their website? Anyway, I see where its 75/25 now, however, I still wrote them for clarification.

On a side note, I wonder how much revenue States that sell points, like WY, are making off hunters?

Personally, I hate points systems and think it ultimately causes a division among hunters, especially in CA. It may be one of the reasons why we are losing so many hunters here.
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imho, The average age of a hunter is 57, we are literraly a dying sport. Very few adults wake up and decide to take up the sport, you have had to been exposed to it at an early age from a relative that had access to decent hunting land. heck, i grew up hunting small game in my backyard/woods. Now, hornporn has driven land prices thru the roof. Or in Ca. they just dont care about increasing herd size. Heck the state i grew up in has 900,000 licensed hunters vs. ca. at 250,000? Relative to population ca. would have 6.3 million hunters but the opportunity isnt there. the day before the deer opener the state i grew up in would shut all schools down, brown fever. western state point systems will flip as the old guys start tipping over. if you are in yours 20's, 30's, play the points game and it will pay off.
 
I don't disagree that it is pricey....just not a sport. :) I agree with it being a recreation that we love.

I'd love to come out and thin your whitetail herd if you'll have me.
 
novemberforever said:
imho, The average age of a hunter is 57, we are literraly a dying sport. Very few adults wake up and decide to take up the sport, you have had to been exposed to it at an early age from a relative that had access to decent hunting land. heck, i grew up hunting small game in my backyard/woods. Now, hornporn has driven land prices thru the roof. Or in Ca. they just dont care about increasing herd size. Heck the state i grew up in has 900,000 licensed hunters vs. ca. at 250,000? Relative to population ca. would have 6.3 million hunters but the opportunity isnt there. the day before the deer opener the state i grew up in would shut all schools down, brown fever. western state point systems will flip as the old guys start tipping over. if you are in yours 20's, 30's, play the points game and it will pay off.
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It's not dying. Every state so far this year has seen an increase in applications, and that's compared to last year which was an increase when compared to the year before I don't think California will be any different.
 
marburg said:
It's not dying. Every state so far this year has seen an increase in applications, and that's compared to last year which was an increase when compared to the year before I don't think California will be any different.
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We've been losing licensed hunters for several years now in CA. It will be interestig to see if it the same or not this year.
 
Wiszard said:
I have a hard time thinking as hunting as a sport....I don't know what it is called but I don't think it does "hunters" justice by calling it sport.
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Why are we oftened referred to as , "Sportsmen?" There was even a TV show on ABC back when I was a kid called, "TheAmerican Sportsman." All about hunting and fishing.
 
The term "sportsman" in my eyes is a very positive image. The image of providing meat for your family, trophy hunting or simply being in the outdoors to fill a tag of some sort just doesn't seem like a sport to me.
I am sure the anti's look at it as "hunters go out and kill for the sport of it." I just think it makes us look bad and cheapens WHY we do what we do.
I look at the term sportsman the same as I do a conservationist. It's about doing good and not bad.
Just my thoughts on it...
 
Sambo said:
I drew a desert bighorn tag last year as a nonresident I did have max points still trying to figure out if I had better odds or worse odds than a resident and there was a second nonresident who also drew a sheep tag from what I was told I'm not sure it's fair to the residents of California with so few tags but i can't complain I agree the California draw system is terrible
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And you killed a smoker ram! Can’t wait to see it finished. Yeah I almost feel like nr have better draw odds.
 

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